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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:[quote=shaman oga]It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers 
Of course they were. Don't pretend like you are better than us because some extra corporations came to support us, /quote]
If by "some extra corporations" you mean the alliance with the most high ranked corporations and players, tournament winners, and who managed to hold on to molden heath from the rest of dust.
I'm sure they only had a smart part in it. |
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I cannot believe all of the Minmatar and Gallente FW are such sore losers and whiny children.
When we were losing we promised retribution, we didn't give up and blame a corp or an Alliance.
No. You just declared FW broken and cried to Foxfour. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:I cannot believe all of the Minmatar and Gallente FW are such sore losers and whiny children.
When we were losing we promised retribution, we didn't give up and blame a corp or an Alliance.
No. You just declared FW broken and cried to Foxfour. I still think its broken. But now you know what we were subject to.
I actually don't cause I can't play. :p |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 16:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote:
So even though most of the Amarrian players are out right better than or equal to the MInmatar you would have FW become a popularity contest.
Now FW is a popularity contest, few amarrian players and a lot of hirelings. You simply have attracted the right sympathy, that's why i say you have turned a war for a faction in a normal war for corporations/alliances, there is already PC for that. So you wont admit before that the Minmatar had the greater player base, and that now were benefiting from it you are in a pissy mood.... That's exactly my point, all your hirelings didn't get a f.... about FW till now, the problem is not with PIE, you have always played for amarr FW, the problem is with all the scumbags that have never ever played FW and now they are celebrating a victory. They are in EVE too. Whats your point? They are mercs after all. Its just like how ANON holds the entirety of Minmatar FW together, without them, you don't have enough squads to take the fights through numbers alone.
Except didn't Anon start fighting for the Amarr? |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:02:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari.
Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so.
Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance.
There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. |
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance. There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. Few Allainces cross the boundaries between FW zones, some do but that normally isn't the done thing, because in FW eve side you sign up to a milita, and are loyal to that one until you drop it, also if you do drop it your are stuck with negative penalties against the opposing factions. So sure a whole bunch of Gallentean supporters can come out to the FW zone but they cannot see the complexes in space, so all they can do is fight at the gates. In FW we need to discourage overlapping, encourage loyalty to one faction, and ensure FW is a variant and enjoyable mode where allied groups can squad up and do things together, but cannot cross over willy nilly depending on what takes their fancy. The argument, "Oh but were mercenaries" does work here because capsuleers are essentially mercenaries as well as they only fight for one factions at a time.
There's kind of a major difference between capsuleers and mercenaries. But that's not the point.
I don't see anything "not fun" about crossing over sides. If anything being stuck in one militia is pretty unfun. Plus I doubt it'll ever happen considering CCP's current stance: Do whatever for whoever.
I would rather have it so you can jump between allied factions, but can't switch to the opposite alliance. Not without paying some sort of penalty or just having it be super limited.
Jumping between Gallente to Minmatar, or Amarr to Caldari = fine. But no Caldari to Minmatar or Amarr to Gallente. Maybe allow players to defect once per year or something, maybe have them grind up standings afterwards some how. |
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:24:00 -
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We're mercenaries. It is known that our loyalties will change. It's not a possibility. It's a certainty. That's what makes us mercenaries. They hire us, because they need us at that time. And it's better that we're hired by them than hired by the enemy.
But we can always be hired by the enemy. That's just the business.
There's a difference between being rewarded for being loyal, and being forced into one side.
Anyway, it's more like
Gallente/Caldari = Largest.
Amarr = Smaller than Gallente/Caldari. Maybe has less players than minmatar but more dedicated corps.
Minmatar = Smaller Gallente/Caldari. Less dedicated corps, maybe has more players.
I don't think it should be easy to swap sides, but I do think it should be possible.
Locking players in a militia, locks the imbalance. Basically the Gallente would then ALWAYS be well supported, and the Caldari would never have a chance.
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