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Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:35:00 - [1] - Quote I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think?
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 642	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:40:00 - [2] - Quote I get more value out of my toilet paper cause at least it is a physical object. Never understood how someone could spend real life money on digital objects that are consumable. At least BPOs lasted forever, and Boosters add to your SP which doesn't go away. The only two things worth spending money on in this game. 99% of BPOs got removed so the list of things worth spending money on in this game just got a whole lot shorter.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 269	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:41:00 - [3] - Quote They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote Frank Olson Usul wrote: I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think? It depend if those items are all no-skill or the equivalent of current 'Neo' items. If they're no-skill and pre-fitted with proto modules, this could actually be a pretty good idea. i.e. Newb buys a W.A.R. Hoplon kit, plays ~10 matches as a proto cal assault and 10 as a proto min logi, and THEN they have to grind their way up. That could seriously increase retention. If they're the equivalent of current Neo items, these packs are the biggest ripoff ever.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 269	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Frank Olson Usul wrote: I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think? It depend if those items are all no-skill or the equivalent of current 'Neo' items. If they're no-skill and pre-fitted with proto modules, this could actually be a pretty good idea. i.e. Newb buys a W.A.R. Hoplon kit, plays ~10 matches as a proto cal assault and 10 as a proto min logi, and THEN they have to grind their way up. That could seriously increase retention. If they're the equivalent of current Neo items, these packs are the biggest ripoff ever. This mentality has to be our equivalent of EVEs "what I mine is free." Just cause you have a proto suit doesn't mean you will do better. Better gear will not make up for a lack of skill. Noobs will still go 0/12 in these proto suits even if they are no skill. Then they will say "if this is the best gear in the game and Im still doing this bad then I have no chance" and then they will leave.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 164	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:52:00 - [6] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Frank Olson Usul wrote: I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think? It depend if those items are all no-skill or the equivalent of current 'Neo' items. If they're no-skill and pre-fitted with proto modules, this could actually be a pretty good idea. i.e. Newb buys a W.A.R. Hoplon kit, plays ~10 matches as a proto cal assault and 10 as a proto min logi, and THEN they have to grind their way up. That could seriously increase retention. If they're the equivalent of current Neo items, these packs are the biggest ripoff ever. This mentality has to be our equivalent of EVEs "what I mine is free." Just cause you have a proto suit doesn't mean you will do better. Better gear will not make up for a lack of skill. Noobs will still go 0/12 in these proto suits even if they are no skill. Then they will say "if this is the best gear in the game and Im still doing this bad then I have no chance" and then they will leave. Uhh, gear completely makes up for a certain level of skill deficit in this game. In a head-to-head AR fight, a tanked-out protosuit has about 2x the TTK of a militia suit, meaning the protobear can miss half their shots and still win. I'm sick of people saying proto gear is no substitute for skill. Yes, if you put a dog in front of a controller and give it a protosuit, it will lose, but if the person is proto gear is even mildly competent and rolling tanked-out like they should be, it's a massive advantage and guarantees a win in many situations purely by the numbers.
ghjl ghjkl Patriotic Investment Group Inc. 10	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:56:00 - [7] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1375	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:58:00 - [8] - Quote Nice war packs CCP. Will Not Buy.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 341	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote BARDAS wrote: I get more value out of my toilet paper cause at least it is a physical object. Never understood how someone could spend real life money on digital objects that are consumable. At least BPOs lasted forever, and Boosters add to your SP which doesn't go away. The only two things worth spending money on in this game. 99% of BPOs got removed so the list of things worth spending money on in this game just got a whole lot shorter. Its because that money we spend is nothing.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 227	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:07:00 - [10] - Quote yeah, i despise the throwaways. i wish they werent even there. they clutter up my inv. i HATE that. I'd throw them away, but they dont een give me a way to do that!! The other quasi-tangible, was the boosters. They have a lasting effect once used. The cost of the pack, was like getting aurum + "free" boosters. Previously, I'd use the aurum, to buy boosters and BPOs. Now, if I were to spend money again, I'd use it as a double-or-nothing booster acquisition thing. But they'd better offer an "all booster, no trash" version, or I dont see myself buying another one any time soon.

RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 269	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:12:00 - [11] - Quote ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old?
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 626	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:13:00 - [12] - Quote Yay!! more crap I will never buy. Funny thing is, how many of you would pay real money for the ability to customize the color/skin of your suits/weapons? Im not talking throwaway.. $10 for a set of skins to customize your gear
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 638	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:15:00 - [13] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? I don't play EVE but it sounds like it is VET friendly and NOOB unfriendly.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4052	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:16:00 - [14] - Quote Tell you what - Give me my rollover SP, and I'll buy two of those $100 packs. _________________________________________________________________________________________ Gimmie my damn Amarrian tank and rollover SP.
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 269	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:18:00 - [15] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? I don't play EVE but it sounds like it is VET friendly and NOOB unfriendly. When I started playing EVE in 2008 most of the player base was 2006 to 2008 character age. Look at the character ages now? Mostly mid to late 2009 to present. CCP consistently pushes away its older player base.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 657	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:20:00 - [16] - Quote Frank Olson Usul wrote: I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think? some of us have like... 20 exiles. someday i'll sell them, and you'll wish you had more.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 657	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:21:00 - [17] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? I don't play EVE but it sounds like it is VET friendly and NOOB unfriendly. When I started playing EVE in 2008 most of the player base was 2006 to 2008 character age. Look at the character ages now? Mostly mid to late 2009 to present. CCP consistently pushes away its older player base. you have to take breaks from eve or it will become a job. the average character age goes down after winter expansions, and goes way up the month before a new expansion.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1024	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:22:00 - [18] - Quote I hope these all make it into the featured fits category. Cause I would love to buy some of these and test out some strategies that I might not have thought up...but not in large quantities like this... Although I really hope they programmed the socksfour suit to trip over grenades.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2208	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:26:00 - [19] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Yay!! more crap I will never buy. Funny thing is, how many of you would pay real money for the ability to customize the color/skin of your suits/weapons? Im not talking throwaway.. $10 for a set of skins to customize your gear and yet CCP keeps making attempts to milk these crap AUR suits.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1038	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:30:00 - [20] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: yeah, i despise the throwaways. i wish they werent even there. they clutter up my inv. i HATE that. I'd throw them away, but they dont een give me a way to do that!! The other quasi-tangible, was the boosters. They have a lasting effect once used. The cost of the pack, was like getting aurum + "free" boosters. Previously, I'd use the aurum, to buy boosters and BPOs. Now, if I were to spend money again, I'd use it as a double-or-nothing booster acquisition thing. But they'd better offer an "all booster, no trash" version, or I dont see myself buying another one any time soon. You guys do realize that the Elite pack actually saves you 20$ if you were only buying the packs for boosters right? If you were buying a merc pack every month just for AUR for boosters, then you actually save 20$ over a six month period if you buy the elite pack. That's what they call value. The BPO's were just a little extra boost. I mean...... its all standard gear anyway. What you should really be buying those larger packs for is the Massive amounts of AUR and boosters that come with it. If you don't spend the AUR on passive boosters you get even more out of the pack over time. (because active boosters net you more SP per week then a passive booster nets you per month). I mean come on people..... These packs have been out for months, if your upset now that they changed them then your just doing it wrong......

Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 168	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:33:00 - [21] - Quote They did say that Vet and Elite packs were going to change, but I really hope not into these. Because (sadly) I am finding less and less reason to spend money on this game.
ghjl ghjkl Patriotic Investment Group Inc. 10	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:44:00 - [22] - Quote RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? oh, I'm sorry, let me re-iterate my argument to your point as I understand it, in a language you can understand... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! Let me know if you need further translation.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 227	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:02:00 - [23] - Quote low genius wrote: Frank Olson Usul wrote: I know that BPOs are gone forever, but I still put it into the title. Why? Because I think that it is totally sick to spend 100 dollars on items that have 400 runs only. Even if it is so many of them. I heard a lot of people say "I only bought the Merc pack for the BPO", but now that those aren't around anymore ... I think the W.A.R. packs suck because the only thing that was worth so much money were BPOs :/ http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/10/08/october-means-war-for-dust-514/ What do you guys think? some of us have like... 20 exiles. someday i'll sell them, and you'll wish you had more. What kind of time frame do you think you can expect to be able to sell aurum items for isk, or aurum for that matter? I could be wrong, but I don't think even Eve players can sell their aurum items on the market yet. Maybe you can contract or trade it, not sure. Which brings up the lack of trading/contracts available in this game. Hey CCP, WTF?!?!
RECON BY FIRE Internal Rebellion 269	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:20:00 - [24] - Quote ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? oh, I'm sorry, let me re-iterate my argument to your point as I understand it, in a language you can understand... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! Let me know if you need further translation. So then you are in fact a 5 year old, good to know.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 229	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:30:00 - [25] - Quote Marston VC wrote: The BPO's were just a little extra boost. I mean...... its all standard gear anyway. What you should really be buying those larger packs for is the Massive amounts of AUR and boosters that come with it. "should" is a very loaded word. A load that misses its target, as far as I'm concerned. I run scout. I used the aurum to buy a valor scout suit, and assorted BPO's, along with the ones the packs already came with. I now have free infinite fits of the following: 1. An uplink dropper that is invisible to everything but highest proto scanner, thanks to damper BPOs 2. An objective runner/hacker, that can beat out most things but a high level minmatar, thanks to kinetic BPOs. 3. A highly mobile, self-reparing 400hp ninja, thanks to armor BPOs And oh by the way my choice of mix-n-match armaments, out of free fits of AR pistol SMG sniper-rifle (ph33r my always-moving, invisible sniper ;) yeah, these arent proto level. but so what? the main limits on them, are my lousy stick skills, rather than lack of 'leetness in the gear :-} And the freeness keeps me in the green to churn out the odd vehicle or two practically every match, without hurting (They're also fitted with BPOs! )
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 630	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:33:00 - [26] - Quote ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? oh, I'm sorry, let me re-iterate my argument to your point as I understand it, in a language you can understand... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! Let me know if you need further translation. LOL, stop trying to be an internet tough guy to a player who has more experience and skill than you could ever hope for. And he is right, anybody who buys these new packs will be sorely disappointed in their purchase.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1561	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:42:00 - [27] - Quote It's just too much money. I think they'd have a huge demand if prices were around 80% lower.
Dimmu Borgir II Bannana Boat Corp 162	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:48:00 - [28] - Quote ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: ghjl ghjkl wrote: RECON BY FIRE wrote: They figured out you will have to keep buying the packs if its limited run. What they haven't figured out though is that nobody wants the garbage theyre offering. They will trick noobs into buying it and then once those noobs figure out they just spent $100 on garbage they will leave the game and never come back. But this should come as no surprise since CCP has always built their business model on the backs of noobs. They don't care about older players, as long as they can keep enough new people coming to the game it doesn't matter. you can't be serious.... You just wrote a whole lotta stupid, sir. Would you like to make an actual counter point or simply sit here uttering nonsense like a 5 year old? oh, I'm sorry, let me re-iterate my argument to your point as I understand it, in a language you can understand... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! Let me know if you need further translation. Wait... what?? He was taking the high-road by asking you to be mature and respond in a mature manner and gave you the chance and the best you could come up with was to further ridicule yourself? To quote an idiot: You are a whole lotta stupid, sir!
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1599	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:54:00 - [29] - Quote Nobody is forcing us to buy them... I think CCP needs to figure out the demand curve and I'm hoping the they find it more profitable at lower but sustainable pricing levels.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 172	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Funny thing is, how many of you would pay real money for the ability to customize the color/skin of your suits/weapons? Im not talking throwaway.. $10 for a set of skins to customize your gear Yep...I'd be all about something like the old merc pack that contained new paintjobs instead of BPOs.



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