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Paran Tadec
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:39:00 -
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What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1174
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:40:00 -
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Rouge. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
359
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:40:00 -
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SoTa supports this thread and wants a blue tag reply. Hopefully from CCP Rouge himself, which is highly doubtful. |
Paran Tadec
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1351
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:41:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Rouge.
-100.
Rogue sounds better. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
407
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:41:00 -
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Meh. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1351
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:42:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Meh.
let me guess, you started 05-14-13? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9307
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:47:00 -
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No this kind of Rouge :P http://i.imgur.com/sHAQXA6.jpg |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1174
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:48:00 -
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McRibwich is probably very happy this is making its rounds everywhere. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
409
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:58:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote: let me guess, you started 05-14-13?
To be completely honest, I don't remember the exact date of my first character. It was back in beta. Biomassed him because he wasn't the race I wanted. Made a new one some time later. Abandoned. I basically create a new character every several builds. Keeps from building a SP dependency, along with hopeful spice, topped with seeing how the build would be to new players.*
So, meh. I've done all that's available, plus some things that aren't anymore. I still play every now and then as a logibro, but that's simply because killing players is boring now, even if I use my dual Scrambler Pistol getup.
*All of them terrible after Chromosome. |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
637
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:03:00 -
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Well that didn't take long, did it? |
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:06:00 -
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I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:08:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. Let me fix this:
It's like getting a free car - finding out it takes 3 months of work to ever work - just so it can 'barely' make speed limit, while guzzling enough gas to feed a family just to keep up with the other cars. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1353
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:10:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
If you want said free product to still exist in 3 months you better hope they fix it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9313
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:47:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. If you want said free product to still exist in 3 months you better hope they fix it.
I know of paid products that are no longer around after 3 months. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
365
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. If you want said free product to still exist in 3 months you better hope they fix it. I know of paid products that are no longer around after 3 months. And you're about to know a F2P product. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
857
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:03:00 -
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I think we're still a year (or PS4) away from PVE.
The lack of P2P market, racial Dropsuits, and vehicles have exhausted reasonable excuses and timelines.
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1782
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:11:00 -
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The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3702
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:12:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Meh. let me guess, you started 05-14-13? Yeah, attacking anyone who disagrees with you is a GREAT way to get posts. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1359
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:48:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Meh. let me guess, you started 05-14-13? Yeah, attacking anyone who disagrees with you is a GREAT way to get posts.
He didnt disagree, he contributed nothing to the conversation. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1359
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:49:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game.
Putting it on PS4 wouldnt save it, only drive in those last nails faster. Atleast with it only being on Ps3 there is an excuse for it to be a 16v16 lobby shooter with 2008 graphics. |
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TROLL DRIVER
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:57:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
turds are free, i'm giving em away, want one ? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1783
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:57:00 -
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The PS4 alone can't save it. It needs to become a completely new game at the same time.
That new game can't exist on the PS3, however. That much is a fact. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1298
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:13:00 -
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Hes another EA lacky who has screwed up other games
Guess what he will do to this one? |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:17:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Hes another EA lacky who has screwed up other games
Guess what he will do to this one?
He might be a combination of Chuck Norris, Einstein, Batman and Jesus.
Still not sure it will be enough ... |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
401
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:27:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:SoTa supports this thread and wants a blue tag reply. Hopefully from CCP Rouge himself, which is highly doubtful. would ccp dare comment on a productive thread made by a vet? i dont think so unless its to ban them for having good ideas, that may save their terribad game..dust had such potential when i started playing it. then ccp really started sinking their claws into it hasnt been the same since |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
612
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:30:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
It's pretty early so instead of a thoughtful reply I'll just punt and call you a moron. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
902
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:30:00 -
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all good points and something that has been said a few hundred times over. Me being partial to dropships, it has actually been more than a year since anything but nerfing and a couple flight control iterations have touched Dropships and we got a couple more where once again they are changing entirely. Lets hope this is the last revamp and they commit to making DSs and all vehicles a part of this game. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1498
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:31:00 -
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Note don't pay attention to bitter vets, we are closed minded player base that only care about our play style and have no reguard for wider impact this might have. Instead it's better to just ask questions and see what ya get back like fox does.
That said you had to deal with Ea so ya know this fourm will be cake walk :-D but we expect communication and pve sometime next year |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
412
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Posted - 2013.10.09 13:59:00 -
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Doom N' Gloom 514 |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1363
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:10:00 -
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Brush Master wrote:all good points and something that has been said a few hundred times over. Me being partial to dropships, it has actually been more than a year since anything but nerfing and a couple flight control iterations have touched Dropships and we got a couple more where once again they are changing entirely. Lets hope this is the last revamp and they commit to making DSs and all vehicles a part of this game.
Dropship comment was just an example of three many issues |
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Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1363
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:11:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Note don't pay attention to bitter vets, we are closed minded player base that only care about our play style and have no reguard for wider impact this might have. Instead it's better to just ask questions and see what ya get back like fox does.
That said you had to deal with Ea so ya know this fourm will be cake walk :-D but we expect communication and pve sometime next year
Yes let's cater to new players with more auto aims...
I want a fictional game, not a crutch for my playstyle. If you hadn't gotten ran off you'd know I'm a true Logi |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1501
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:57:00 -
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How about we cater to both and make the game enjoyable for everyone rather then self proclaimed elites who just slag the game off anyway.
Just saying :-) |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:30:00 -
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...because the elites won't be satisfied until they get something along the lines of CoD or Battlefield for free. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1347
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:52:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The PS4 alone can't save it. It needs to become a completely new game at the same time.
That new game can't exist on the PS3, however. That much is a fact. Carbon? If CCP didn't throw away the carbon stuff, that would be nice for on the PS4... |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:21:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game. Look for the announcement about a move to PS4 at FanFest 2014 |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:23:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:I think we're still a year (or PS4) away from PVE.
The lack of P2P market, racial Dropsuits, and vehicles have exhausted reasonable excuses and timelines.
Look for all racial dropsuits in the December update. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
31
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:39:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Long Evity wrote:SoTa supports this thread and wants a blue tag reply. Hopefully from CCP Rouge himself, which is highly doubtful. would ccp dare comment on a productive thread made by a vet? i dont think so unless its to ban them for having good ideas, that may save their terribad game..dust had such potential when i started playing it. then ccp really started sinking their claws into it hasnt been the same since i remember when they banned takecover ordie for making a tanker petition. one that had names on it and no offensive comments. poor guy quit dust and alot of others too after that. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
416
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:56:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year.
EVE Integration - Disregard. Place this on the back burner in favor of more maps and modes. The game is seriously lacking in standard variety. The small but active player base is only going to get smaller and less active due to boredom. EVE integration sounds great but won't draw a lot of new players in until the game itself is more fun, engaging and addicting. Save the integration for PS4 version.
Racial Parity - Legit request. This should have been solidified months ago.
PvE - A pipe dream considering the taxing multiplayer fixes (not even expansion) has put on the Dev Team. Honestly, if CCP is really serious about moving Dust forward (and I believe it is), then you need to hire more hands. Seriously.
Communication - Honestly, I think talk is cheap and would much prefer action/results. But you do have a dedicated core element within this community that is begging to vet your ideas. It is underutilized. Swallow your pride, we are all in this together now.
Fix Stupid Things - No comment. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1040
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:04:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Rouge.
Its actually CCP Redish Pink, only english is allowed on the Dust 514 forums |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
2998
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:25:00 -
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This thread now has my approval |
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Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:39:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. EVE Integration - Disregard. Place this on the back burner in favor of more maps and modes. The game is seriously lacking in standard variety. The small but active player base is only going to get smaller and less active due to boredom. EVE integration sounds great but won't draw a lot of new players in until the game itself is more fun, engaging and addicting. Save the integration for PS4 version. Racial Parity - Legit request. This should have been solidified months ago. PvE - A pipe dream considering the taxing multiplayer fixes (not even expansion) has put on the Dev Team. Honestly, if CCP is serious about moving Dust forward (and I believe it is), then you need to hire more hands. Seriously. Communication - Honestly, I think talk is cheap and would much prefer action/results. But you do have a dedicated core element within this community that is begging to vet your ideas. It is underutilized. Swallow your pride, we are all in this together now. Fix Stupid Things - No comment.
Atleast if we could sell the piles of crap we have I could have more fun spending that isk on stuff I want.
I want ccp to tell is what is currently being worked on, no more " were working on stuff and we'll let you get a peek in a dev blog" and then never arrives.
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
666
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:41:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. You forgot to include player to player item asset trading and meaningful game modes :P
The improved salvage system is still missing, Logistics dropsuits are Officer Assaults (Medics are meant to support via equipment, H/L slot count should be scarce), Commando and Plasma Cannon were the Blunderful Duo. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
315
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:46:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner.
So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that is has driven many people away from the game.
IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1041
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:54:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production of the game REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late.
Exactly. And player numbers right now suggesting that CCP are out of step at the minute. They need a better conductor, hopefully they now have one. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:56:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. You forgot to include player to player item asset trading and meaningful game modes :P The improved salvage system is still missing, Logistics dropsuits are Officer Assaults (Medics are meant to support via equipment, H/L slot count should be scarce), Commando and Plasma Cannon were the Blunderful Duo.
You mean clogi. Mlogi is pretty damn balanced
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
586
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:03:00 -
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Quote: Executive Prodcer-DUST514 CCP is looking for an Executive Producer to take on DUST 514 continued development since its initial launch on the PlayStation 3 on May 14, 2013. In a similar way as CCP made EVE Online growth and prosper for over a decade the plan is the same for DUST 514 and in a similar way as with EVE, expand platforms in the future beyond the initial PS3 version. The EP is responsible for reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model. This position will lead overall development and will work closely with publishing and operations activities for DUST 514. The EP is responsible for the overall success of the title. The Executive Producer will need to build and lead strong teams of senior people from across the project in order to develop, communicate and execute the creative vision and business plans for DUST 514. As the key business leader for the project, the Executive Producer maintains a strategic focus on the overall goals of the project and a long term perspective in respect to creativity, quality, budget and timelines.
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=476 (no longer exists unfortunately)
While I'd love to hear Rouge's views on game features, I'm actually more interested in how he plans to create the "strong teams" that will build them. What are the internal issues that have led us to where we are now, and what does he plan to do about them?
However, he'd be foolish to tell us anything until he's had a few weeks to take stock and find out exactly what has been swept under that rug.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:04:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late.
Ok...i have to say this. If you spent several hundred dollars on ANY game that's your own fault.
This is a free game...period. You make personal choices to spend money to accelerate your ability to get equipment or SP. To my knowledge there is not a single item or facet of this game that you must pay for that you couldn't otherwise get through normal gameplay albeit at a slower rate.
Full disclosure, I've put about $150 into the game over the last several months. By my subjective assesment based on the amount of playtime and fun I've had is that i've gotten my moneys worth so far. It's about equivalent to 3x new games worth of money and I believe I've got more time playing Dust than any two other games combined.
I absolutely concur that the goal of CCP is to make money and they do have a certain responsiblity to their custormer base. I find that CCP is more interactive with us than any other developer I've seen outside of some of the crowdsourced games in the tablet platforms (which can be astoundingly good). I'm ok with them making a profit and I do think we deserve the level of interaction we are recieving.
Do I want more out of the game, yes. Do I think they will slowly get the ship moving at a pace we all want, very probably. Is the hiring of a veteran EP that's learned from sucess and error a good sign...absolutely. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
315
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:20:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late. Ok...i have to say this. If you spent several hundred dollars on ANY game that's your own fault.
Where does fault come into play here? I am talking about the overall health and survival of this game. And the simple fact is that, VERY VERY little content has been added to this game since it became available to play more than a year ago now. The end of last month marks a year of playing this game for me, and due to this game having changed VERY VERY little since then I have all but lost interest. I can hardly bring myself to play anymore. And that is a shame. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3733
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:55:00 -
[49] - Quote
Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year.
For the most part, I agree. As a closed beta player, I really haven't seen the game progress that much. Sure, there've been a few new things, a couple of new weapons, shinier graphics, new suits. But this is still a lobby shooter. Nothing there has changed, and the gameplay remains much the same.
The stupid issues persisting is something that seriously should have been ironed out by now. Your specific example isn't completely relevant as it is getting fixed, but it has indeed taken more than a year. Dropship pilots were asking for this stuff when I first came to the forums, something like a year ago.
PVE - Agreed, it's a must. Not having options other than lobby pvp kills the variety and exacerbates the frustration with unbalanced weapons and equipment. There are some great things that can be done with the dust concepts as well - isk, for example, is difficult to come by for most other than through straight PvP.
Racial parity, again, is a must. Not having half of what's basically the essential base content of the game is frankly dire.
On communication: I do agree, but even if it's only goals the community tends to turn it into promises by the umpteenth retelling and if imaginary promises aren't fulfilled there tends to be community backlash.
EVE integration is the one thing that could really set Dust apart, and it's just not there at the moment. Practically nobody in EVE cares about Dust, very few people in Dust care about EVE. As a major point of this game it's just so important to get it right.
I do, however, highly doubt that a new EP will somehow cause miracles. Things might improve under more effective leadership, but I have no faith that much of the goals for this game will come to fruition. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
I hope they keep up the hiring to get more staff working on this game |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
Dear CCP Rogue,
Please respond. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9339
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:13:00 -
[52] - Quote
Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:17:00 -
[53] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him.
Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9339
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible.
I just hope he doesn't run away from us, the concept of an organization like the CPM is practically unheard of in the industry. I hope he sees us as a valuable tool though. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:42:00 -
[55] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible. I just hope he doesn't run away from us, the concept of an organization like the CPM is practically unheard of in the industry. I hope he sees us as a valuable tool though.
Which is why you have to keep pushing hard. Remember that the CPM is not a new concept however. You of all folks know that the CPM is based off of the CSM from Eve Online which has been a well-established organization for a long time which now has stakeholder influence with CCP. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
229
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:48:00 -
[56] - Quote
This is actually a really good thread. I support the OP. While i also understand that this stuff takes time. I'm completely fine with getting 1 big thing every 6 months. I've played EVE since 07 so i'm used to it. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jariel Manton wrote:This is actually a really good thread. I support the OP. While i also understand that this stuff takes time. I'm completely fine with getting 1 big thing every 6 months. I've played EVE since 07 so i'm used to it.
Unfortunately not everyone is use to it. Keep in mind that we are talking about a FPS market here where most FPS players are use to seeing instant progress. It will take some major effort for them to get use to this MMO concept. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
214
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
+1 to this thead
I dont normally agree with bittervets as most of what is said tends to be doom mongering how things used to be better and very biased opinions on how the game should be made without thought for the good of the game or playerbase current and potential in general but rather what suits them, but this this states things that would be for the betterment of the game.
Been around since the mordu trials with the skirm 1.0 version have seen alot happen to the game some for better some for worse these suggestions are for the better i hope CCP sees them and takes notice.
-Ranger SnakeBlood |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
353
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
Just because you are a cheapskate doesn't mean no one has paid for this "free product" |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2176
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
This post has been Sgt Kirk approved.
I'd like to add that CCP has shitted on small railguns for far too long.
"How long Sgt Kirk?"
I'll tell you how long, they've never been good. [FACT] |
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1354
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:48:00 -
[61] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:This post has been Sgt Kirk approved.
I'd like to add that CCP has shitted on small railguns for far too long.
"How long Sgt Kirk?"
I'll tell you how long, they've never been good. [FACT] This^ hell give them the range of large rails and more direct... |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
246
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
SGT. Kirk - - > They should have received a buff in ROF and automation to the cyclic charge rate of the firing. That and greater consistency in the hit detection. But you are right in that they never have been good since Mordu's Private Trails.
As for the other matters, there are a number of "needs" for this game if it wished to awaken from this medically induced comma that seems to have been a parting gift by the last EP.
The P2P market and item transfers with the most basic of racial equipment, weapons, vehicles and dropsuits is an ABSOLUTE necessity while the option of PVE would help break the monotony that can become fits of proto-pub-stomping to stepping into a match and grabbing ones' ankles while grinning and bearing it.
As often as I have vented my frustrations with the atrociously slow pace of effective change along with the seeming disconnect between CCP and the player community is what seems to frustrate the greater majority of us.
I can say that I will keep my fingers crossed from some substantive changes, but I expect nothing from the new guy till he begins to produce an actionable track record.
Here is to the Last Hope! |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
94
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:34:00 -
[63] - Quote
Is it true CCP is actually just one guy with multi-personality disorder?
their lack of .... everything.. is gradually irritating me. i made a post which (in my opinion) is a great idea for PvE and getting drunk and smashing the hell out of little weird aliens we some how stumbled upon on some distant planet :) can post a link if requested
also, why has CCP ignored this post? either they are hiding, disrespecting, or just don't care that their community is losing faith in them. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
353
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:42:00 -
[64] - Quote
Xaviah Reaper wrote:Is it true CCP is actually just one guy with multi-personality disorder?
That would explain a lot! |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
95
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:54:00 -
[65] - Quote
Zahle Undt wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:Is it true CCP is actually just one guy with multi-personality disorder? That would explain a lot!
i thought of that one myself ;) its my rumour of the month. spread it around :D |
Atikali Havendoorr
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:37:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The PS4 alone can't save it. It needs to become a completely new game at the same time.
That new game can't exist on the PS3, however. That much is a fact. At first, I would disagree with you, since there is no competition on the PS3, but will be stiff on the PS4. Killing the PS3 client and the entire player base could actually make things worse. It could be, you know... killed.
On a second thought though... you are right. And I have known that for a long time. The PS3 is unable to execute their vision. CCP are unable to execute well on the PS3. It is a vast different world from the PC swamp they descend from.
About CCPs (mis)management style and lack of development, this is widely known by Eve veterans and developers. CCP have their special style of developing. Very close to the community, sometimes even part of the community, and fanlike rather than business oriented. Nice but not effective. This is something that wont change. The real question is if it will work out in the console realm and in the FPS market. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
127
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:44:00 -
[67] - Quote
Ignoble Son wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late. Ok...i have to say this. If you spent several hundred dollars on ANY game that's your own fault. Where does fault come into play here? I am talking about the overall health and survival of this game. And the simple fact is that, VERY VERY little content has been added to this game since it became available to play more than a year ago now. The end of last month marks a year of playing this game for me, and due to this game having changed VERY VERY little since then I have all but lost interest. I can hardly bring myself to play anymore. And that is a shame.
Fair point. My comment was focused on your statement that seemed to imply it was foolish to think that Dust was, in fact, a free product based on your personal choices to purchase in game items. I honestly see your point about content and share similar concerns.
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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4319
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The PS4 alone can't save it. It needs to become a completely new game at the same time.
That new game can't exist on the PS3, however. That much is a fact.
HIMIKO FOR CPM1
Paran Tadec wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game. Putting it on PS4 wouldnt save it, only drive in those last nails faster. Atleast with it only being on Ps3 there is an excuse for it to be a 16v16 lobby shooter with 2008 graphics.
LOLno try 2005 graphics or earlier
and it needs to go PS4 and like Himiko said not just a simple port that would be dumb OBV it has to be a completely new game on PS4 because they CANNOT realise their visions on PS3. Anyone that thinks they can do all the bs they talk about at fanfest etc on the ps3 is srsly challenged.
Game isnt gettin bigger on the ps3, the more time passes the more ppl get PS4s and the less ppl start caring about "Soon TM" this and "Soon TM" that.
u have 2 yr old+ PAID games that more ppl rather play than a FREE game so obv being on PS3 only isnt any advantage its just an excuse for it to continue suckin. Moving to PS4 CCP would have 0 excuses other than they just cant make a good FPS.
1-2 years........thats the timeline ccp has max to move to PS4 with a NEW game not a port, thats if the game isnt totally dead before next fanfest. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
311
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Xaviah Reaper wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Xaviah Reaper wrote:Is it true CCP is actually just one guy with multi-personality disorder? That would explain a lot! i thought of that one myself ;) its my rumour of the month. spread it around :D
It's not a rumor. It's 100% true, and his name is Tyler Durden. Welcome to Dust club.
First rule of Dust club: CCP does not talk about Dust club.
Second rule of Dust club: CCP does not talk about Dust club.
Third rule of Dust club: builds will go on as long as they have to.
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Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1405
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Posted - 2013.10.15 03:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
No bluetag response? https://www.google.com/search?q=no+fucks+given&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=W7RcUr3sLoe48wTM0YHwBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1745&bih=938 |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
398
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Posted - 2013.10.15 03:27:00 -
[71] - Quote
FOR THE DUSTYS!!! |
Spectre-M
The Generals EoN.
58
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Posted - 2013.10.15 04:02:00 -
[72] - Quote
Made in China. No joke. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1854
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Posted - 2013.10.15 06:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
They have their own private forum where they talk about threads in the public forum, believe it or not.
The idea is to not accidentally bait a hostile argument from the fanbase over sensitive topics.
In this case, that's a mistake. This is something that actually needs to be talked about, publicly, and now. |
Wombat in combat
TeamPlayers EoN.
109
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Posted - 2013.10.15 07:02:00 -
[74] - Quote
As a vet, my only request to CCP Rouge would be increased communications. We've already seen great improvements thanks to CCP LogiBro but we need more, like what is standard in EVE development. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1854
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Posted - 2013.10.15 08:05:00 -
[75] - Quote
Wouldn't it be nice if one of the four (five?) community managers decided to manage the community? |
Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.10.15 08:28:00 -
[76] - Quote
.................. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
455
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:04:00 -
[77] - Quote
chase rowland wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Long Evity wrote:SoTa supports this thread and wants a blue tag reply. Hopefully from CCP Rouge himself, which is highly doubtful. would ccp dare comment on a productive thread made by a vet? i dont think so unless its to ban them for having good ideas, that may save their terribad game..dust had such potential when i started playing it. then ccp really started sinking their claws into it hasnt been the same since i remember when they banned takecover ordie for making a tanker petition. one that had names on it and no offensive comments. poor guy quit dust and alot of others too after that. pfft lol everytime i bring up vehicle lock in any coordinated way for 2 years i get the ban hammer..its funny i still see it brought up over a year of hearing about vehicles and locks and balance and still nothing and from what i can tell some cod are still crying for nerfs. has ccp ever listened? i cant recall..hang on what id they do when we told em contact nades would be a baaaad idea..? oh yeah they put em in anyway..and then what happened ? pray tell? oh they realized we were right omfg big surprise..the gamers who spend half they're time witha controller in their hands knows what would be good for a game where the developer sitting in his musty office does not?
ppftt has anyone else ever gotten on dust right after reset or at some point to find they servers down..then gone to find out whats going on from ccp only they had no idea they're game was offline and not working.
one example of ccp doing the exact opposite of what the community tells them and then realizes they're error. what is the point of beta testers? i have not seen a single thing done that anyone proposed..dust is chugging along on ccp's plan and they have made it clear they dont know what they are doing. yet they spurn our feedback. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
455
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:07:00 -
[78] - Quote
Wombat in combat wrote:As a vet, my only request to CCP Rouge would be increased communications. We've already seen great improvements thanks to CCP LogiBro but we need more, like what is standard in EVE development.
+1 for the wombat +|1 for the best member of ccp logibro |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
859
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:13:00 -
[79] - Quote
How about less days doing nothing ?? It seems every time I look that CCP is on a two week doing nothing holliday?
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Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
120
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Posted - 2013.10.15 11:00:00 -
[80] - Quote
Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
Actually it's like being given a free car and told that it drives perfectly fine and is in good condition and then you get it and it has no wheels,engine or seats and it can;t be driven .. I could fill a bag full of poo and give it to you for free .. does that mean you can;t complain about what you've been given ??? |
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