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Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1363
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:11:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Note don't pay attention to bitter vets, we are closed minded player base that only care about our play style and have no reguard for wider impact this might have. Instead it's better to just ask questions and see what ya get back like fox does.
That said you had to deal with Ea so ya know this fourm will be cake walk :-D but we expect communication and pve sometime next year
Yes let's cater to new players with more auto aims...
I want a fictional game, not a crutch for my playstyle. If you hadn't gotten ran off you'd know I'm a true Logi |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1501
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:57:00 -
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How about we cater to both and make the game enjoyable for everyone rather then self proclaimed elites who just slag the game off anyway.
Just saying :-) |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:30:00 -
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...because the elites won't be satisfied until they get something along the lines of CoD or Battlefield for free. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1347
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Posted - 2013.10.09 15:52:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The PS4 alone can't save it. It needs to become a completely new game at the same time.
That new game can't exist on the PS3, however. That much is a fact. Carbon? If CCP didn't throw away the carbon stuff, that would be nice for on the PS4... |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:21:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The game needs to be on PS4 ASAP, and support for the PS3 version needs to be completely cut off except for a few basic game modes.
Any "new" content thereafter should be geared towards bigger levels that can sustain more players, more sandbox-like environments, destructible terrain, etc. Anyone who is too cheap to get a PS4 can continue to play the same crappy game we have now. It's a free game, after all. They aren't getting anything less than what they have now.
All the good stuff that was in the original vision of Dust simply cannot be done on the PS3 at any point, ever. The current formula isn't working, and it won't work in the future either. Dust needs a complete rebirth on a piece of hardware that completely ignores the current limitations of the game. Look for the announcement about a move to PS4 at FanFest 2014 |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:23:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:I think we're still a year (or PS4) away from PVE.
The lack of P2P market, racial Dropsuits, and vehicles have exhausted reasonable excuses and timelines.
Look for all racial dropsuits in the December update. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
31
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:39:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Long Evity wrote:SoTa supports this thread and wants a blue tag reply. Hopefully from CCP Rouge himself, which is highly doubtful. would ccp dare comment on a productive thread made by a vet? i dont think so unless its to ban them for having good ideas, that may save their terribad game..dust had such potential when i started playing it. then ccp really started sinking their claws into it hasnt been the same since i remember when they banned takecover ordie for making a tanker petition. one that had names on it and no offensive comments. poor guy quit dust and alot of others too after that. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
416
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Posted - 2013.10.09 16:56:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year.
EVE Integration - Disregard. Place this on the back burner in favor of more maps and modes. The game is seriously lacking in standard variety. The small but active player base is only going to get smaller and less active due to boredom. EVE integration sounds great but won't draw a lot of new players in until the game itself is more fun, engaging and addicting. Save the integration for PS4 version.
Racial Parity - Legit request. This should have been solidified months ago.
PvE - A pipe dream considering the taxing multiplayer fixes (not even expansion) has put on the Dev Team. Honestly, if CCP is really serious about moving Dust forward (and I believe it is), then you need to hire more hands. Seriously.
Communication - Honestly, I think talk is cheap and would much prefer action/results. But you do have a dedicated core element within this community that is begging to vet your ideas. It is underutilized. Swallow your pride, we are all in this together now.
Fix Stupid Things - No comment. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1040
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:04:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Rouge.
Its actually CCP Redish Pink, only english is allowed on the Dust 514 forums |
General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
2998
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:25:00 -
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This thread now has my approval |
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Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:39:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. EVE Integration - Disregard. Place this on the back burner in favor of more maps and modes. The game is seriously lacking in standard variety. The small but active player base is only going to get smaller and less active due to boredom. EVE integration sounds great but won't draw a lot of new players in until the game itself is more fun, engaging and addicting. Save the integration for PS4 version. Racial Parity - Legit request. This should have been solidified months ago. PvE - A pipe dream considering the taxing multiplayer fixes (not even expansion) has put on the Dev Team. Honestly, if CCP is serious about moving Dust forward (and I believe it is), then you need to hire more hands. Seriously. Communication - Honestly, I think talk is cheap and would much prefer action/results. But you do have a dedicated core element within this community that is begging to vet your ideas. It is underutilized. Swallow your pride, we are all in this together now. Fix Stupid Things - No comment.
Atleast if we could sell the piles of crap we have I could have more fun spending that isk on stuff I want.
I want ccp to tell is what is currently being worked on, no more " were working on stuff and we'll let you get a peek in a dev blog" and then never arrives.
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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
666
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:41:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. You forgot to include player to player item asset trading and meaningful game modes :P
The improved salvage system is still missing, Logistics dropsuits are Officer Assaults (Medics are meant to support via equipment, H/L slot count should be scarce), Commando and Plasma Cannon were the Blunderful Duo. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
315
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:46:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner.
So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that is has driven many people away from the game.
IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1041
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:54:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production of the game REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late.
Exactly. And player numbers right now suggesting that CCP are out of step at the minute. They need a better conductor, hopefully they now have one. |
Paran Tadec
TeamPlayers EoN.
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.09 17:56:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year. You forgot to include player to player item asset trading and meaningful game modes :P The improved salvage system is still missing, Logistics dropsuits are Officer Assaults (Medics are meant to support via equipment, H/L slot count should be scarce), Commando and Plasma Cannon were the Blunderful Duo.
You mean clogi. Mlogi is pretty damn balanced
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R F Gyro
Clones 4u
586
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:03:00 -
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Quote: Executive Prodcer-DUST514 CCP is looking for an Executive Producer to take on DUST 514 continued development since its initial launch on the PlayStation 3 on May 14, 2013. In a similar way as CCP made EVE Online growth and prosper for over a decade the plan is the same for DUST 514 and in a similar way as with EVE, expand platforms in the future beyond the initial PS3 version. The EP is responsible for reconciling business and creative needs to create an inspirational product with successful business model. This position will lead overall development and will work closely with publishing and operations activities for DUST 514. The EP is responsible for the overall success of the title. The Executive Producer will need to build and lead strong teams of senior people from across the project in order to develop, communicate and execute the creative vision and business plans for DUST 514. As the key business leader for the project, the Executive Producer maintains a strategic focus on the overall goals of the project and a long term perspective in respect to creativity, quality, budget and timelines.
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=476 (no longer exists unfortunately)
While I'd love to hear Rouge's views on game features, I'm actually more interested in how he plans to create the "strong teams" that will build them. What are the internal issues that have led us to where we are now, and what does he plan to do about them?
However, he'd be foolish to tell us anything until he's had a few weeks to take stock and find out exactly what has been swept under that rug.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
126
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:04:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late.
Ok...i have to say this. If you spent several hundred dollars on ANY game that's your own fault.
This is a free game...period. You make personal choices to spend money to accelerate your ability to get equipment or SP. To my knowledge there is not a single item or facet of this game that you must pay for that you couldn't otherwise get through normal gameplay albeit at a slower rate.
Full disclosure, I've put about $150 into the game over the last several months. By my subjective assesment based on the amount of playtime and fun I've had is that i've gotten my moneys worth so far. It's about equivalent to 3x new games worth of money and I believe I've got more time playing Dust than any two other games combined.
I absolutely concur that the goal of CCP is to make money and they do have a certain responsiblity to their custormer base. I find that CCP is more interactive with us than any other developer I've seen outside of some of the crowdsourced games in the tablet platforms (which can be astoundingly good). I'm ok with them making a profit and I do think we deserve the level of interaction we are recieving.
Do I want more out of the game, yes. Do I think they will slowly get the ship moving at a pace we all want, very probably. Is the hiring of a veteran EP that's learned from sucess and error a good sign...absolutely. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
315
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:20:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted. And I find it highly amusing when people call this game a free product, seeing as how I've spent several hundred dollars on this game so far. Most expensive game I've ever played. There is no such thing as a free lunch. The goal of the producers of this game is to sell a product - the same goal as the producers of any other game. Just because they are taking a diferent sales approach than many other games doesn't relieve them of their reponsibility to their costumers. Or the responsibility to produce a product that captures the interest of the consumer, and for that product (or in Dust's case, the iteration of that product) to be presented to the public in a timely manner. So far, IMO, CCP has monumentally failed to achieve this kind of customer service, bordering on extreme negligence, so much so that it has driven many people away from the game. IMO, CCP needs to take whatever steps necessary to ramp up production on REALLY soon or suffer the consequences which I think could be dire and long lasting, if it is indeed not already to late. Ok...i have to say this. If you spent several hundred dollars on ANY game that's your own fault.
Where does fault come into play here? I am talking about the overall health and survival of this game. And the simple fact is that, VERY VERY little content has been added to this game since it became available to play more than a year ago now. The end of last month marks a year of playing this game for me, and due to this game having changed VERY VERY little since then I have all but lost interest. I can hardly bring myself to play anymore. And that is a shame. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3733
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Posted - 2013.10.09 18:55:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:What are you doing personally that is going to turn this game around? For nearly a year very few improvements/features have been brought to this game due to mismanagement and promising stuff that the previous EP wasnt up to completing. Spend some time looking over all of the threads from summer 2012 that the hardcore community provided before being shunned by the previous EP.
We want:
Eve integration - a full market, isk transactions, Newberries will complain that they are isk poor due to isk influx, but they just need to learn to make friends. Ground to space weaponry. Industry Give eve players a reason to GAF.
Racial parity re: all basic suits, weapons and vehicles. When? We already have concepts, shouldnt be that much longer for you to roll this out. Get this stuff out, in a balance (or atleast near balanced state)
PVE - a must, I cant and dont want to PC everynight. Sometime i want to get drunk and smash bots. Even better if you can do this on an open world map.
COMMUNICATION - talk to us, tell us what your plans are moving forward (no promises, just what are your goals)
Fix stupid things - dropship pilots have been asking for either more HP or countermeasures for over a year.
For the most part, I agree. As a closed beta player, I really haven't seen the game progress that much. Sure, there've been a few new things, a couple of new weapons, shinier graphics, new suits. But this is still a lobby shooter. Nothing there has changed, and the gameplay remains much the same.
The stupid issues persisting is something that seriously should have been ironed out by now. Your specific example isn't completely relevant as it is getting fixed, but it has indeed taken more than a year. Dropship pilots were asking for this stuff when I first came to the forums, something like a year ago.
PVE - Agreed, it's a must. Not having options other than lobby pvp kills the variety and exacerbates the frustration with unbalanced weapons and equipment. There are some great things that can be done with the dust concepts as well - isk, for example, is difficult to come by for most other than through straight PvP.
Racial parity, again, is a must. Not having half of what's basically the essential base content of the game is frankly dire.
On communication: I do agree, but even if it's only goals the community tends to turn it into promises by the umpteenth retelling and if imaginary promises aren't fulfilled there tends to be community backlash.
EVE integration is the one thing that could really set Dust apart, and it's just not there at the moment. Practically nobody in EVE cares about Dust, very few people in Dust care about EVE. As a major point of this game it's just so important to get it right.
I do, however, highly doubt that a new EP will somehow cause miracles. Things might improve under more effective leadership, but I have no faith that much of the goals for this game will come to fruition. |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:05:00 -
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I hope they keep up the hiring to get more staff working on this game |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4459
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:45:00 -
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Dear CCP Rogue,
Please respond. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9339
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:13:00 -
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Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him.
Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9339
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:23:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible.
I just hope he doesn't run away from us, the concept of an organization like the CPM is practically unheard of in the industry. I hope he sees us as a valuable tool though. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I haven't meet him yet so I have no idea how he views this game, tone, or universe. Once he gets broken in the CPM will hopefully have a chance with him. Please make sure that he gets the message. This guy is in a very good position to do some serious good for this game but he needs to get the message from the community as clearly as possible. I just hope he doesn't run away from us, the concept of an organization like the CPM is practically unheard of in the industry. I hope he sees us as a valuable tool though.
Which is why you have to keep pushing hard. Remember that the CPM is not a new concept however. You of all folks know that the CPM is based off of the CSM from Eve Online which has been a well-established organization for a long time which now has stakeholder influence with CCP. |
Jariel Manton
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
229
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:48:00 -
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This is actually a really good thread. I support the OP. While i also understand that this stuff takes time. I'm completely fine with getting 1 big thing every 6 months. I've played EVE since 07 so i'm used to it. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4460
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:06:00 -
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Jariel Manton wrote:This is actually a really good thread. I support the OP. While i also understand that this stuff takes time. I'm completely fine with getting 1 big thing every 6 months. I've played EVE since 07 so i'm used to it.
Unfortunately not everyone is use to it. Keep in mind that we are talking about a FPS market here where most FPS players are use to seeing instant progress. It will take some major effort for them to get use to this MMO concept. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
214
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:28:00 -
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+1 to this thead
I dont normally agree with bittervets as most of what is said tends to be doom mongering how things used to be better and very biased opinions on how the game should be made without thought for the good of the game or playerbase current and potential in general but rather what suits them, but this this states things that would be for the betterment of the game.
Been around since the mordu trials with the skirm 1.0 version have seen alot happen to the game some for better some for worse these suggestions are for the better i hope CCP sees them and takes notice.
-Ranger SnakeBlood |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
353
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:34:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:I find it highly amusing that people will complain about a free product; it's like being given a free car and then complaining that it's not in the color you wanted.
Just because you are a cheapskate doesn't mean no one has paid for this "free product" |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2176
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:40:00 -
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This post has been Sgt Kirk approved.
I'd like to add that CCP has shitted on small railguns for far too long.
"How long Sgt Kirk?"
I'll tell you how long, they've never been good. [FACT] |
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