DUST Search - Why Is EVERY Game Unbalanced?

Kiro Justice wrote:

CrotchGrab 360 wrote:

Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team?
Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other?

I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time.
Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game.

Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players.

I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever
and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't.

Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other?

EDIT: I've worked it out, the matchmaking works backwards. I'm in an NPC corp and over the course of 2.5 hours
I had less than 10 people across all my teams who WEREN'T in NPC corps.

What DUST does is it searches for the best players available and puts them against the worst players available.
Otherwise why would it put 2 stacked groups on one team and all NPC players on another?

It's not just a coincidence, the matchmaking works backwards. Think about it, when you're in a squad who do you play against mostly? Randoms! Is there more chance of there being another squad on your team than the enemy's team? Yes!

But like I said it could be because nobody but experienced players play this game anymore because all the BS has scared new players away.

Yeah...

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CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:27:00 - [1] - Quote Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other?
Kiro Justice The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 508	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:38:00 - [2] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other? EDIT: I've worked it out, the matchmaking works backwards. I'm in an NPC corp and over the course of 2.5 hours I had less than 10 people across all my teams who WEREN'T in NPC corps. What DUST does is it searches for the best players available and puts them against the worst players available. Otherwise why would it put 2 stacked groups on one team and all NPC players on another? It's not just a coincidence, the matchmaking works backwards. Think about it, when you're in a squad who do you play against mostly? Randoms! Is there more chance of there being another squad on your team than the enemy's team? Yes! But like I said it could be because nobody but experienced players play this game anymore because all the BS has scared new players away. Yeah...
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:40:00 - [3] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other? EDIT: I've worked it out, the matchmaking works backwards. I'm in an NPC corp and over the course of 2.5 hours I had less than 10 people across all my teams who WEREN'T in NPC corps. What DUST does is it searches for the best players available and puts them against the worst players available. Otherwise why would it put 2 stacked groups on one team and all NPC players on another? It's not just a coincidence, the matchmaking works backwards. Think about it, when you're in a squad who do you play against mostly? Randoms! Is there more chance of there being another squad on your team than the enemy's team? Yes! But like I said it could be because nobody but experienced players play this game anymore because all the BS has scared new players away. Yeah... I just played for 2.5 hours and got protostomped and lost every single game. take it for what you want. the matchmaking works backwards or doesn't work at all due to low player counts.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1574	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:42:00 - [4] - Quote Game mode?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 58	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:42:00 - [5] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other? Well currently the matchmaking system is based on your region and your game-mode selection, along with whether or not you are in a squad. Your corporation status (Player, NPC, and leaderboard position has not effect on his game matchmaking system. Speaking of playerbase, I feel sorry for you because you will probably be flooded by people calling you a stupid worthless noob.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 58	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: LOL Are you still on? Cuz love teaching new players how to play DUST
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:44:00 - [7] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Game mode? any and all. every game. for a little under 3 hours, stomped on every game by 1-2 squads.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1602	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads....
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other? Well currently the matchmaking system is based on your region and your game-mode selection, along with whether or not you are in a squad. Your corporation status (Player, NPC, and leaderboard position has not effect on his game matchmaking system. Speaking of playerbase, I feel sorry for you because you will probably be flooded by people calling you a stupid worthless noob. I'm not a n00b, first game today I got 2500WP I just can't play when my entire team is being held up on the mountains with no where to spawn whilst the enemy teams holds all 4 or 5 objectives. I do well but not against an entire team with double my HP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 58	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:46:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... Well maybe you shouldn't run solo as much.

CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 246	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:47:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... Thing is I don't play solo because I'm hoping to play scrubs. I'm not asking to play scrubs. I'm asking for even games. Some of the best games I've played (on other shooters) have been teams full of new players because they're not worrying about KDR, they're all on an even playing field and they're all pushing the objective. On smaller less confusing maps of course.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 538	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:47:00 - [12] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Why put 2 groups of players on one team and have all NPC corp players on the other team? Surely it would make sense to put 1 group on one side and 1 group on the other? I have just played DUST for 2 and a half hours and we got our asses handed to us, every. single. time. Each game was extremely unbalanced and I was on the losing side for EVERY game. Have the new players play the new players and the veteran players play the veteran players. I like to play solo but am absolutely sick to death of the fact that there is no matchmaking in this game whatsoever and don't like to me and say there is because there isn't. Or is the player count really that low that you can't physically place even teams against each other? EDIT: I've worked it out, the matchmaking works backwards. I'm in an NPC corp and over the course of 2.5 hours I had less than 10 people across all my teams who WEREN'T in NPC corps. What DUST does is it searches for the best players available and puts them against the worst players available. Otherwise why would it put 2 stacked groups on one team and all NPC players on another? It's not just a coincidence, the matchmaking works backwards. Think about it, when you're in a squad who do you play against mostly? Randoms! Is there more chance of there being another squad on your team than the enemy's team? Yes! But like I said it could be because nobody but experienced players play this game anymore because all the BS has scared new players away. Here's the thing about that theres just not enough players to do that check the dust 514 server its really low so until that is fixed only thing u could do is wish for a good mat ch
Kiro Justice The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 508	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:48:00 - [13] - Quote Nuh uh! dis game es mlg. it dnt hav no problems get gud nooooob
Pje251296 KILL ORDERS 139	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:49:00 - [14] - Quote 1200 wp is not enough in the academy, more time is needed (10,000 wp for each game mode). It's like CCP wants the newbies to get owned, try sniping from the red line and leaving.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 58	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... Thing is I don't play solo because I'm hoping to play scrubs. I'm not asking to play scrubs. I'm asking for even games. Some of the best games I've played (on other shooters) have been teams full of new players because they're not worrying about KDR, they're all on an even playing field and they're all pushing the objective. On smaller less confusing maps of course. Well this game ain't like other FPSs (Unless you run with ARs)
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 248	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:52:00 - [16] - Quote What I want people to understand is I'm not complaining because I lost one game. I'm complaining because I lost every game in 2.5 hours, and lost by a BIG margin. I know I'm going to lose and come up against good players, but why every single game? All I did tonight was lose ISK, I can only lose a certain amount of ISK. The meta of this game promotes camping like a little ***** and what happens when I die 5 times? Should I back out? Because I'm going ISK negative if I don't. Really, really not a good game mechanic....
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 248	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote Pje251296 wrote: 1200 wp is not enough in the academy, more time is needed (10,000 wp for each game mode). It's like CCP wants the newbies to get owned, try sniping from the red line and leaving. that and they should have PVE missions for new players and give them 1m SP. face new players against new players instead of rushing to get people into games in 7 seconds and people will actually stay in this game. seriously why does the matchmaking not just take a little bit longer? stop rushing to get people into games because they don't want to wait because guaranteed people will much rather wait a little longer in the Q if they know they will have a good game and not get stomped on.
Wey Yu Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:54:00 - [18] - Quote Pje251296 wrote: 1200 wp is not enough in the academy, more time is needed (10,000 wp for each game mode). It's like CCP wants the newbies to get owned, try sniping from the red line and leaving. Yeah i did that for a while then realised sniping is broken. Now i just spend my days remembering to log in and use my passive skill points, meh.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1603	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:54:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... Well maybe you shouldn't run solo as much. THAT is a good point. But me playing in a squad makes it too easy, so im actually looking for a challenge, get my butt kicked and feel im leading the blues. My K-D ratio suffers for it greatly,but im looking to have fun, not pad stats. THEN AGAIN, im saying CrotchGrab is Right,but im not complaining about it. I even played a game where I was completely alone for the WHOLE MATCH vs 2 Corp squads, lol, corp will not be named to avoid humiliation ; but (Even if I lost of course ) I went 29-9 with a freakn 250 HP scout with a ISHI SMG. XD It was the most fun I've ever had in DUST....
CrotchGrab 360 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 248	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:55:00 - [20] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... Well maybe you shouldn't run solo as much. THAT is a good point. But me playing in a squad makes it too easy, so im actually looking for a challenge, get my butt kicked and feel im leading the blues. My K-D ratio suffers for it greatly,but im looking to have fun, not pad stats. THEN AGAIN, im saying CrotchGrab is Right,but im not complaining about it. I even played a game where I was completely alone for the WHOLE MATCH vs 2 Corp squads, lol, corp will not be named to avoid humiliation ; but (Even if I lost of course ) I went 29-9 with a freakn 250 HP scout with a ISHI SMG. XD It was the most fun I've ever had in DUST.... I don't complain if it's just one game dude you've got to realise it was for the entire night.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 58	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:56:00 - [21] - Quote Pje251296 wrote: 1200 wp is not enough in the academy, more time is needed (10,000 wp for each game mode). It's like CCP wants the newbies to get owned, try sniping from the red line and leaving. 100 kills was good enough, but what would really make things golden is: 50k WP but then you still have the option to play battles in the battle academy, acting as a safety net for new players who think that they still need some more time 100k WP This is when the battle academy option should be removed, as by the time new players reach 100k WP they should already have enough knowledge of how to play the game and should be in at least STD gear. I choose WP because it is the only true test of skill in this game. New players who have been in other FPSs (Battlefield, Halo, MAG, COD, etc. will get lots of kills easily, but WP is the only think that determines whether or not a person is good in THIS GAME.
Thumb Green Novashift 442	Posted - 2013.10.06 22:04:00 - [22] - Quote It's because Scotty is the old Bolas pilot AI and being transferred to a desk job has caused him to sink further into alcoholism.
8213 Grade No.2 336	Posted - 2013.10.06 22:06:00 - [23] - Quote You win some, you lose some. Your task is to do the best. Get the most kills, earn the most WP, capture and hold the most objectives. In Skirmish games, take it upon myself to capture and hold one NULL Cannon. The other 15 blueberries can handle the rest. Sometimes I wait around in bordum, sometimes I'm taking on the entire team by myself. My mission is to protect my objective. It takes a team to win or lose, and you can't always be on the best team; be the best player. Be the guy the corps on the other team send hate mail to or ask you to join them.
Thumb Green Novashift 442	Posted - 2013.10.06 22:19:00 - [24] - Quote Seriously though, if anything it will be the matchmaking that kills this game.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 228	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: It's because Scotty is the old Bolas pilot AI and being transferred to a desk job has caused him to sink further into alcoholism. actually that was Bores the Bolas driver. Scotty is his brother and he is a meth addict.
Sarcastic Dreamkiller Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 15	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:33:00 - [26] - Quote I was once in a game where 16 NPC Corp players went against an entire team of Anonymous members. The 16 randoms crushed Anonymous, which just goes to show that being in squads and corporations does not always make you a good player, and that having a matchmaking system based on squads will never amount to anything.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 628	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:38:00 - [27] - Quote because you're the weak part of your team, i'd imagine.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1575	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:40:00 - [28] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: Thumb Green wrote: It's because Scotty is the old Bolas pilot AI and being transferred to a desk job has caused him to sink further into alcoholism. actually that was Bores the Bolas driver. Scotty is his brother and he is a meth addict. That would explain the high speed action at times and then the lethargic almost dead battle placement at others.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 133	Posted - 2013.10.07 00:11:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I actually play SOLO a LOT. And, I must say, CrotchGrab 360 is right. Im always with 1 or 2 good corp squads, or alone facing 1 or 2 corp squads.... This is truth here. When I squad up we do well, very close games. Running solo, I get stomped. At least today it was like this. I'm sure the low player count does not help with this.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 821	Posted - 2013.10.07 00:39:00 - [30] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: What I want people to understand is I'm not complaining because I lost one game. I'm complaining because I lost every game in 2.5 hours, and lost by a BIG margin. I know I'm going to lose and come up against good players, but why every single game? All I did tonight was lose ISK, I can only lose a certain amount of ISK. The meta of this game promotes camping like a little ***** and what happens when I die 5 times? Should I back out? Because I'm going ISK negative if I don't. Really, really not a good game mechanic.... Rule 1 shoot them in the back. Rule two: follow rule 1. Is the letter going from blue to orange? AVOID!! Run away! and come back later! Kill loners then wait for a bluberry to hack and kill the orange dot trying to kill the bluberry thats hacking. I have a lot of ISK from running pubs. I run Militia Minmatar scout/uplink then change to starter fit Medic-Assault. Its 6 and 2 most times but I can die 100 times in a match and still make lots of ISK. Get those core skills up: biotics, shelds, armour, cpu, electronics, pg boost till then just run cheap fits. Earn two to three million ISK per day then when those skills are up then begin using basic or advanced suits. I now run a gek most games ( I purchased 1000 geks) with a militia minmatar suit or sometimes an advanced amar logistics. But I prefer militia fits. Why? Its fun killing better quality geared folks?? And yes I have a lot of Duvolle AR, viziams, proto hmg, forges, sl, My last game was militia scout/exilie AR for 1/2 the game.



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