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Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 756	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote Thoughts for and against?
Nexus Tau DIOS X. II Top Men. 50	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:44:00 - [2] - Quote I'm all for it!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1209	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote I'd like to see it as it is a staple of FPS and actually most games with respawns... I'd also like to see a new stat of WP/D though...
J Falcs Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 131	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Could care less. The stat we really need (and I am using need liberally) is isk loss/made show up for everyone.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 756	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:49:00 - [5] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Could care less. The stat we really need (and I am using need liberally) is isk loss/made show up for everyone. Replace KDR with this? instead of kills, it read isk that player has "killed" and instead of deaths, have Isk that player lost?
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 97	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:49:00 - [6] - Quote J Falcs wrote: Could care less. The stat we really need (and I am using need liberally) is isk loss/made show up for everyone. exactly. KDR is useless. the only factor in what makes you a good merc or not is your wallet.
Cosgar ParagonX 5626	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:50:00 - [7] - Quote I wouldn't say completely remove it, but add more relevant stats so that KDR isn't the most important thing since not every role is designed to up clones. But with that said, we should get a leader board reset for every major expansion or full game re-balancing in the future.
Magnus Amadeuss DUST University Ivy League 76	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:51:00 - [8] - Quote It doesn't matter much to me. For instance, if I am in skirmish and someone is attacking a point across the map from me, I just suicide and respawn over there. Much faster than the alternatives. Yes my KDR suffers from it but who cares?
Lilah Silverstone The Arrow Project 143	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote ISK lost vs ISK destroyed and maybe wp/d are the only stats needed really. Kdr could be shown as a private stat on character sheets though cause some people probably like it.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 584	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:55:00 - [10] - Quote I don't see a problem with KDR but it should probably be turned into/merged with match history similar to EVE's killmails make all matches public record.. Either on a website or seprate tab in game/character history, adds to meta and could make people try to perform better and you'll know how they got their KDR..

Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 154	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:56:00 - [11] - Quote The more varied the end-of-match stats, the more opportunities for players to feel good about the match. I know that sounds care-bear, but if the game feels fun, player retention is improved, and the game as a whole is healthier. So, keep KDR, keep WP, add more. EDIT: specifically, add Kill Assists into the mix...
Vulpes Dolosus Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 91	Posted - 2013.10.04 18:58:00 - [12] - Quote Eh, I'm for it. But I'd much rather have other stats like vehicle kill/destroyed, allies resuscitated (>10sec life), total healing infantry/vehicle, hacks, et al.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1177	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:15:00 - [13] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Thoughts for and against? While I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that K/D is not an effective way to make a direct comparison between different roles, I would prefer to have more stats rather than less. Besides the Kill/Death ratio can still be meaningful if you interpret it with context. Roughly speaking, if a Tank goes 30/0 they are good. If a Sniper goes 10/0 they are good. If a Frontline Assault goes 5/0 the are good. If a Scout goes 1/0 they are good. For a Logi you should disregard their KDR, although a high KDR means they bring something extra to the table. I would like to see these stats to start with: Kills/Assists/Deaths/Clone Deaths/War Points/ISK lost/AUR Lost. Or the following ratios: Kills/Clone Death War Points/Clone Death ISK Lost/Match Earnings Lifetime Stats I would like to see: War Points/Game Kills/Game (Just in case there are any AFKGÇÖers who care about KDR)
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1724	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:17:00 - [14] - Quote Bad players everywhere agree -- let's remove the single stat that helps good players judge them!
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 757	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:21:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Bad players everywhere agree -- let's remove the single stat that helps good players judge them! How is KD a judge of how good someone is?
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 615	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:26:00 - [16] - Quote It would make the game infinitely better. It would sensibly reduce the amount of raging, camping, insulting, cursing, quitting, pubstomping (oh yeah, especially pubstomping) and generally being a *****. It would bring actual competition in-game and people would start to hack the objectives instead of sitting in the redline with a sniper rifle. Probably the best possible update for this game. To answer what some people said, I don't want a ISK stat. Vehicle operators would have terrible ISK stats and there are other unfair elements to count in. The only stats I want are total WP, kills, wins and more POSITIVE stats. KDR is Evil.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 400	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:29:00 - [17] - Quote Remove KD, add average isk income in past 100 games, and total kills.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 729	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:34:00 - [18] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: J Falcs wrote: Could care less. The stat we really need (and I am using need liberally) is isk loss/made show up for everyone. exactly. KDR is useless. the only factor in what makes you a good merc or not is your wallet. It that sense vehicle users well have a sucky one.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:44:00 - [19] - Quote they will never remove kdr from an fps game even tho its not really needed and its not a good way to judge a players skills
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 70	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:45:00 - [20] - Quote But what will people use to master bait(hur hur) their epeen with?

DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1614	Posted - 2013.10.04 19:53:00 - [21] - Quote Kdr Is a good way to judge a slayer in pub matches. That is a reflection of how good they are. Corps see this then take them into PC where they are truly evaluated on WP or how good their role is. I'd say its pretty useful..
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 256	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:02:00 - [22] - Quote I judge players largely on their k/d ratio. Depending on their role obviously my expectations are different, but it is still a very important stat in any respawn game. If you want to add stats fine, but don't take any out.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 950	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:31:00 - [23] - Quote KDR gets you into PC Your actions and contribution to the team keep you in PC. The Bottom Line: If I do not know player X then my first assumption of his skill will be based on KDR. Harsh but the reality of an FPS
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 237	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:40:00 - [24] - Quote BRINK the game did this...now look where it's at...
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 351	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:41:00 - [25] - Quote Yeah I'm more for more stats rather than taking away KDR The isk gained/ isk lost ratio is a real good one Healing / match WP / match Revives / match Assists / match WP / D those would all be stuff I would like to see show up on my stat sheet
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:48:00 - [26] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I'd like to see it as it is a staple of FPS and actually most games with respawns... I'd also like to see a new stat of WP/D though... Actually most game only display kills on the scoreboard, not deaths or KDR these are often only seen by the player in their personal stats. KZ BF and COD have all gotten away from blasting the amount of deaths and gone toward trumpeting the amount kills on the scoreboard and leaderboards. In the instance of DUST 514 the only question to ask does it add any value to the game experience for the player to broadcast that stat at the end of every match. I can't think of a single positive thing it does especially in public matches (i think you could make an argument for PC). The best still are at the top of the scoreboard and leaderboard with their amount of kills and points and the worst are at the bottom. As is stands now if you're at the bottom you're chastised for killing too little and dieing too much which feeds a vicious cycle of player development that focus only on KDR which is not always congruent with good tactics or the goal of victory. In the end it only promotes lone wolf syndrome.
Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1624	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:52:00 - [27] - Quote replace dkr its a useless thing..... especially when crops evaluate it.. you could be using proto gear and the enemy will be in nothing but militia equipment then theyl say "hey you have a good kd, come with us" then when you get on people that have the same level of gear you have, you get whipped out and the corp wonders why you didn't do good.. its because kd doesn't represent anything useful, its one of the reasons why the leaderboards are total ****. if anything should be judged, its the ISK lost vs ISK destroyed vs ISK made.
George Moros Area 514 127	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:54:00 - [28] - Quote K/D shouldn't be removed because some people have a thing for it, so why aggravate them? However, DUST desperately needs ISK lost/destroyed ratio. IMHO, for a game like DUST, which has perma-loss of gear, and heavy division in cost and efficiency between tiers of equipment, ISK lost/destroyed is a much better metric to evaluate how good someone is. Of course, WP gain is just as important metric as ISK lost/destroyed.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 275	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:54:00 - [29] - Quote Kdr is an ambush stat. How else can victory in ambush be determined?
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 621	Posted - 2013.10.04 20:58:00 - [30] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Kdr is an ambush stat. How else can victory in ambush be determined? I got it, leave it for ambush and take it away from Objective modes. It has been done before (Naughty Dog, anyone?).



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