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sixteensixty4
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:37:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT
Thats the thing i wanted balanced the most, amour tanks vs shield (i use gunlogi)
So yeah, it blows if they cant get that right
Im puzzled as to why our slots got shafted, i dunno, nothing ccp does ever makes sense, i dont even think they know, they clearly dont spend anytime playing the game
im all just "meh" at everything dust at the moment, i thought wolfman was gonna sweeten tanks up a little lol gutted
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Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:47:00 -
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sixteensixty4 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Thats the thing i wanted balanced the most, amour tanks vs shield (i use gunlogi) So yeah, it blows if they cant get that right Im puzzled as to why our slots got shafted, i dunno, nothing ccp does ever makes sense, i dont even think they know, they clearly dont spend anytime playing the game im all just "meh" at everything dust at the moment, i thought wolfman was gonna sweeten tanks up a little lol gutted
nope. Turns out Blam! was right afterall. this game was the funnest for everyone when he made tanks |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
576
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:48:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT
Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. |
Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:59:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Im not to happy with all the changes especially the shield regen being stopped by a smg round. Also I heard damage mods have been moved to the high slots!!! Is this true?? I haven't had time to really look at where everything has been moved to, but that would mean damage mods and heat sinks would both be a high slot. that's messed up. We will have to wait and see.... again...... we have to wait again....... thanks. oh... emm... gee... im gona check this out. one sec Just checked, its not listed. That means we dont have them anymore or their simply missing on the list. I assume the ladder. If its high slot then shield tanks are offically done. Not that their not now but youknow. more done
yeah didn't mean to incite any panic that's just what I was told. Sadly, I have to agree with you on that shield tanks will still get crushed by armor. Not a QQ just my opinion. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:01:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. we all are. literally, every single tanker does not want to play anymore |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1479
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:02:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Im not to happy with all the changes especially the shield regen being stopped by a smg round. Also I heard damage mods have been moved to the high slots!!! Is this true?? I haven't had time to really look at where everything has been moved to, but that would mean damage mods and heat sinks would both be a high slot. that's messed up. We will have to wait and see.... again...... we have to wait again....... thanks. oh... emm... gee... im gona check this out. one sec Just checked, its not listed. That means we dont have them anymore or their simply missing on the list. I assume the ladder. If its high slot then shield tanks are offically done. Not that their not now but youknow. more done yeah didn't mean to incite any panic that's just what I was told. Sadly, I have to agree with you on that shield tanks will still get crushed by armor. Not a QQ just my opinion. bro. we now have the right to QQ if we want. Were non factors and we do what we want! |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2580
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:In their new update on how their ruining our vehicles somehow even harder than they have done, they continue to claim that shield tanks are made to hit and run, and armor is made to stand and slug it out. In this endevor, both tanks were given a speed boost. However, the shield tank is still significantly slower than the armor tank. So how is the cute little shield tank that could deal with the big bad armor tank?
Well, they dont. If the shield tank pushes head on he cant compete with the superior galante active resist and dies. But if the shield tank rolls up behind the armor tank and shoots at him then runs away, the armor tank chases him down and kills him. So.... how does the shield tank beat it??
Missiles look promising, they are certainly terrorfiing beyond a reasonable doubt, expesically to an armor tank. It can fire 4-6 missiles a second and the proto ones do 500 damage each. Thats insaine! plus a clip of 12 but with 2 hardners and a heavy rep the armor tanks will eat it no promblem. Then the shield tank has to reload and the armor tank will easily close the distance in 10 seconds and kill him.
Blasters? duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Rails? Maby once but its an anti tank weapon. If the armor tanker is using cover it will be impossible. And if you do kill the armor tanker than hed come out with a railgun and murder you.
So... what hope will a shield tank have? Shields can go from 0 to full in 6 seconds in the new update.Boosters refibulates the shield regeneration and kicks it into starting\ much earlier. Shields lose their constant shield per second regen and now behaves like infantry recovering after a set time of taking no infantry damage. All vehicles move at the same speeds now by class. Sauce https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113459&find=unread This is why there is no room for you in vehicle discussions, you can't do basic math. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1521
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:16:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. we all are. literally, every single tanker does not want to play anymore
well i guess it all comes down to the AV balance tweaks that come along with thesevehicle changes... am i rite?
no..?
anyone...? |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. we all are. literally, every single tanker does not want to play anymore well i guess it all comes down to the AV balance tweaks that come along with thesevehicle changes... am i rite?
no..?
anyone...? your completely right. You are 100%, absolutely right, if the nerfs on the AV is equally horrendus, and if they remove the proto and ADV AV weapons sence they removed a majority of the vehicles in dust, then it wouldemt be a promblem, itd be balanced. But it wont be, weve been playing dust for long enough to earn a degree in geometry because we all know what a circal is at this point |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
68
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:23:00 -
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I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. |
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Cy Clone1
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:31:00 -
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When will we win? Waiting.... Wanting..... Wishing.... Whining. We woe while Whom we woe wanders, while wagering when we will whimper. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1522
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:32:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. we all are. literally, every single tanker does not want to play anymore well i guess it all comes down to the AV balance tweaks that come along with thesevehicle changes... am i rite?
no..?
anyone...? your completely right. You are 100%, absolutely right, if the nerfs on the AV is equally horrendus, and if they remove the proto and ADV AV weapons sence they removed a majority of the vehicles in dust, then it wouldemt be a promblem, itd be balanced. But it wont be, weve been playing dust for long enough to earn a degree in geometry because we all know what a circal is at this point
STD AV vs STD vehicles,i dont see why not. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:37:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. dont kid yourself, your wallent will be ended on the first day |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:51:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:any other shield tankers out there? how you feel about STILL GETTING YOUR ASS KICKED BY ARMOR TANKS GOD DAMN IT Yup, I'm here. I'm planning to quit tanks. we all are. literally, every single tanker does not want to play anymore well i guess it all comes down to the AV balance tweaks that come along with thesevehicle changes... am i rite?
no..?
anyone...? your completely right. You are 100%, absolutely right, if the nerfs on the AV is equally horrendus, and if they remove the proto and ADV AV weapons sence they removed a majority of the vehicles in dust, then it wouldemt be a promblem, itd be balanced. But it wont be, weve been playing dust for long enough to earn a degree in geometry because we all know what a circal is at this point
STD AV vs STD vehicles,i dont see why not.[/quote] yeah but that would be too balanced |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
69
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:12:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. dont kid yourself, your wallent will be ended on the first day
The prophecy says that in order to escape CCP's purge you must follow word of the chosen.
There will be rivers of metal where infidels once existed, There will be valleys of death where the purge will spread, Only those who pray at the top of mountains covered with red, Only them will be allowed to use the pure particles of our God.
LOL |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:15:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. dont kid yourself, your wallent will be ended on the first day The prophecy says that in order to escape CCP's purge you must follow word of the chosen. There will be rivers of metal where infidels once existed, There will be valleys of death where the purge will spread, Only those who pray at the top of mountains covered with red, Only them will be allowed to use the pure particles of our God. LOL lol and at the end the CCP gods said: balance |
Foundation Seldon
Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords
111
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:21:00 -
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I don't understand why you're bringing Heavy Armor Reps into this conversation. Did you look closely at the modules image?
'Heavy Reps' are now passive regen modules that heal 145hp/s armor HP constantly. I can't imagine a Missile tank not being able to tear through that with its additional bonus against armor. Beyond that the Resist modules have a stacking penalty, you can't have two of them equipped to your tank at the same time. |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
69
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:23:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. dont kid yourself, your wallent will be ended on the first day The prophecy says that in order to escape CCP's purge you must follow word of the chosen. There will be rivers of metal where infidels once existed, There will be valleys of death where the purge will spread, Only those who pray at the top of mountains covered with red, Only them will be allowed to use the pure particles of our God. LOL lol and at the end the CCP gods said: balance
After the purge has been completed the survivors will be given a gift with the might of a protostar and the walking mortals will suffer the power of the mechanized titans. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1480
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:27:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:GVGMODE wrote:I might stick to vehicles because I doubt they will give us a respec, it's CCP and they usually like trolling their playerbase which I doubt there will be any when the next fanfest arrives. dont kid yourself, your wallent will be ended on the first day The prophecy says that in order to escape CCP's purge you must follow word of the chosen. There will be rivers of metal where infidels once existed, There will be valleys of death where the purge will spread, Only those who pray at the top of mountains covered with red, Only them will be allowed to use the pure particles of our God. LOL lol and at the end the CCP gods said: balance After the purge has been completed the survivors will be given a gift with the might of a protostar and the walking mortals will suffer the power of the mechanized titans. yeah... thats being pushed back |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
228
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:50:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:In their new update on how their ruining our vehicles somehow even harder than they have done, they continue to claim that shield tanks are made to hit and run, and armor is made to stand and slug it out. In this endevor, both tanks are given a speed reduction from their current state and are now the same speed. So how is the cute little shield tank that could deal with the big bad armor tank?
I only liked your post because your tank-tears and continual crying over tank nerfs make me happy.
As for your interpretation of "hit and run" and "stand and fight"... When they say Hit and Run, they do not mean DRIVE IN FAST, hit for a second, then DRIVE OUT FAST. They mean, go to point A and punch a hole in the enemy. They don't intend those tankers to stick around and GUARD an area. They are an assault for a short duration. So all you race car tankers should learn a new style of game play. If you want to race in and out go use an LAV. |
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Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1485
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:54:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:In their new update on how their ruining our vehicles somehow even harder than they have done, they continue to claim that shield tanks are made to hit and run, and armor is made to stand and slug it out. In this endevor, both tanks are given a speed reduction from their current state and are now the same speed. So how is the cute little shield tank that could deal with the big bad armor tank? I only liked your post because your tank-tears and continual crying over tank nerfs make me happy. As for your interpretation of "hit and run" and "stand and fight"... When they say Hit and Run, they do not mean DRIVE IN FAST, hit for a second, then DRIVE OUT FAST. They mean, go to point A and punch a hole in the enemy. They don't intend those tankers to stick around and GUARD an area. They are an assault for a short duration. So all you race car tankers should learn a new style of game play. If you want to race in and out go use an LAV.
i have QQ tears for idiots like you who qoute my point that a shield tank can not "hit and run" an armor tank because they are both the same speed, you have to posses a faster top speed than the enemy to effectively run after you hit it. This is purely a tank vs tank topic, expecailly the point you qouted. Were did i say anything about guarding areas x) ITS ABOUT TANK V TANK SEE WHY I HAVE TEARS?? God your so stupid just like the rest of you non tankers |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1192
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:55:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:When they say Hit and Run, they do not mean DRIVE IN FAST, hit for a second, then DRIVE OUT FAST. They mean, go to point A and punch a hole in the enemy.
The hell? |
richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
331
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:56:00 -
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Dmg amps are high slots just thought id point that out! |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:01:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Dmg amps are high slots just thought id point that out! source? I completly belive you and all cuz come on, what else can we do to screw over shield tanks right? but i dident see that anywere on that blog |
richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
331
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:04:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Dmg amps are high slots just thought id point that out! source? I completly belive you and all cuz come on, what else can we do to screw over shield tanks right? but i dident see that anywere on that blog http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Module_Changes.png
Next to pg usage. |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:06:00 -
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jesus christ. Armor tanks get to do everything now, except win |
richiesutie 2
The Rainbow Effect
331
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:09:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:jesus christ. Armor tanks get to do everything now, except win
armour ds are gonna be fun.
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Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles
1524
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:53:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:jesus christ. Armor tanks get to do everything now, except win armour ds are gonna be fun. Though having 2 dmg mod would half the cpu of a madi on just two slots. Lol. Yeah everything but win. But hey at least you can them, shield tanks are totally worthless blaster and rail tanks now. At least you can do both of those and do them "well" |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1279
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:19:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:In their new update on how their ruining our vehicles somehow even harder than they have done, they continue to claim that shield tanks are made to hit and run, and armor is made to stand and slug it out. In this endevor, both tanks are given a speed reduction from their current state and are now the same speed. So how is the cute little shield tank that could deal with the big bad armor tank?
Well, they dont. If the shield tank pushes head on he cant compete with the superior galante active resist and dies. But if the shield tank rolls up behind the armor tank and shoots at him then runs away, the armor tank chases him down and kills him. So.... how does the shield tank beat it??
Missiles look promising, they are certainly terrorfiing beyond a reasonable doubt, expesically to an armor tank. It can fire 4-6 missiles a second and the proto ones do 500 damage each. Thats insaine! plus a clip of 12 but with 2 hardners and a heavy rep the armor tanks will eat it no promblem. Then the shield tank has to reload and the armor tank will easily close the distance in 10 seconds and kill him.
Blasters? duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Rails? Maby once but its an anti tank weapon. If the armor tanker is using cover it will be impossible. And if you do kill the armor tanker than hed come out with a railgun and murder you.
So... what hope will a shield tank have?
The way i currently beat shield tank with armor is to ram into them at full speed, i either instapop them or take of anywhere from 1k to 3k shield
With the new stats that might still be possible but Wolfman is looking at collision damage
Also the armor doesnt have active reps no more, its all passive 145 a sec i think just like reppers on dropsuits so its consistantly reps
Take both a shield missile tank vs a armor blaster tank with same fits
The shield tank can put back nearly 2k with its booster, that would be about 15secs for armor
At each optimals missiles can fire 1st and waste a full clip, but 7.5 reload, blaster is 6, armor can close down but with reload a possiblity it could be wasted
Tanks vs tank its more tactics this time around espc with the limits on everything, thats not including AV getting involved
We need hands on but missiles could be back |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2097
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:32:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:gbghg wrote:a certain logibro said this Quote:When taking fire shields will not regenerate (not until the second wave of module types is introduced, at any rate) i bolded and underlined the important bit. no shield tanker will sacrifice one of its 3 slots to make their natural regen work for 20 seconds straight. That wouldent win a fight vs a madrugar and would make the tank worse Then that is your problem. When you choose shields you choose an ideology, you guys are going to have to live with the hit and run choice. Now the reason most of you can't picture a hit and run HAV is because HAV's are slow and cumbersome, high HP but made to dish out damage. Shield tanks are going to be Weapon Platforms, basically glass cannons. The Gunnloggi supports Missile and Rail turrets best though, which are longer range, in essence keeping you farther from your enemies. So that's one minor thing (that you will no doubt dismiss) that shield tanks really have, they support long range weapons.
Also take note of vehicle skill changes. You can see that under Armor Composition that it gives a -10% to speed penalty of Armor plates. That right there is CCP hinting that Armor plates will have such noticeable mobility penalty that there will be a skill to lessen the penalty. CCP stated that armor is going to be your High HP sit down and shoot kind of vehicle. I don't think Madrugars will be able to keep up with Gunnloggis. Also they support blasters best so in order to maintain a high tank they're going to want to fit blasters so their lower CPU doesn't get too sliced for modules. Armor tanks will be buying into an ideology too, one that can be countered by mobility and range. Use that to your-future advantage. |
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