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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2442	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:13:00 - [1] - Quote Let's have some fun with polls! The question is, in detail, do you believe that right now Dust is in such a bad state that CCP should put a bigger focus on gameplay fixes over all else, or that Dust is in an acceptable (or more than acceptable) state and the core content getting added should be the priority over all else? Core content exclusively includes: 1. Amarr and Caldari light frame dropsuit 2. Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar heavy frame dropsuit 3. Caldari and Minmatar assault rifle 4. Amarr and Minmatar LAV, HAV, and dropship 5. PVE Vote here, http://strawpoll.me/495011
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2496	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:14:00 - [2] - Quote ******* CONTENT.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2442	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:16:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ******* CONTENT. p.s. go back to IRC
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 946	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:17:00 - [4] - Quote Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2499	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:19:00 - [5] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is fine as of now. Game itself is lacking worthwhile features to continue encouraging repeat play.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 337	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:20:00 - [6] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2444	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:20:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Read the question more carefully. Those who choose content over gameplay are actually saying that the gameplay is good enough right now for a major shift in focus on content to be made.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 946	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:21:00 - [8] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years?
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 946	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:21:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Read the question more carefully. Those who choose content over gameplay are actually saying that the gameplay is good enough right now for a major shift in focus on content to be made. I come from SOCOM, not a spoiled content background.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3979	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:24:00 - [10] - Quote I would rather move a majority of focus over to content and leave a few devs chained to their desks that continue to plug away at core fixes. I would love to drive my Amarrian tank through the frozen wasteland of an ice planet as 3 fully loaded dropships take off to objective A 2km away while a full MAV pulls ahead to drop a squad off at that player-called bunker, but I'd like at least a few people to keep trying to fix that MCC that lets me shove my face through the wall. The core is much better now than it was at release, and is in a playable state. I'd like to keep some people aside to keep improving on it, while everyone else shifts focus to keeping us bloody interested in the game (protip: we've been finding our own squads pretty easily for a while now)

IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 337	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:26:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? Nope. Not even REMOTELY related to my answer. I want dropsuits/vehicles and more to do, rather than more 'server fixes,' hit detection fixes,' and other nonsense that does nothing but waste man hours. You can't tell me you're happy with Caldari + AR or Minnie Scout + Shotty, or HEAVY + HMG (yeah, there's only one option for that). Besides, screw your framerate I want an MTAC. = ) --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 237	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:28:00 - [12] - Quote It doesn't have to be "either or". They can incorporate both in alternating sequences. Mechanics are much improved but still not 100%, nor will they ever be. I do have to agree with Spkr though...gameplay always comes first. Content should be a reward and given in small doses with plenty of in-between time.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6340	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:30:00 - [13] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? This BS again? did you not read the list of things we would still have to look forward to? Even if they add the missing racial variant they will still have this stuff (they mentioned these are coming) to add. the revamped Skirmish 1.0 (attack/defend, multiple stages) Lava planets Ice planets Gas giants More vegetation, including trees. MTACs (they were promised for early 2013 back in Fanfest 2012 and STILL not here) MCC commanders (promised since 2009) player-deployed installations (promised since 2009) EVE starship boarding, PVE (promised it woul be here by 2012, still not here). Gun customization MAVs Speeders fighters 0 gravity battles At Fanfest 2013 CCP mentioned that racial variants for weapons, dropsuits, and vehicles were a NEAR FUTURE goal, and they defined near future as 12 months or less from the time of that Fanfest, NOT 2 years. You actually want CCP to release racial variants at least twice as slow as they originally intended. Gameplay at the moment is ok. Content is lacking. Racial variants should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. We've been getting gameplay fixes since release, its been almost 5 months and no new racial variants came, only gameplay fixes. Its about time we get something new.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 947	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:31:00 - [14] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? Nope. Not even REMOTELY related to my answer. I want dropsuits/vehicles and more to do, rather than more 'server fixes,' hit detection fixes,' and other nonsense that does nothing but waste man hours. You can't tell me you're happy with Caldari + AR or Minnie Scout + Shotty, or HEAVY + HMG (yeah, there's only one option for that). Besides, screw your framerate I want an MTAC. = ) --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies I pilot tanks.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 338	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:31:00 - [15] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: It doesn't have to be "either or". They can incorporate both in alternating sequences. Mechanics are much improved but still not 100%, nor will they ever be. I do have to agree with Spkr though...gameplay always comes first. Content should be a reward and given in small doses with plenty of in-between time. Last content update was Flaylocks + Scrambler rifles. That was 1,000 years ago. We get 'mechanics' fixes every patch, and most of those are fixing things the hundred chimps at a hundred keyboards broke during the 'repair' process. The fact remains, the game works. My Amarr tank, or Caldari scout does not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 338	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:33:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I pilot tanks. I hope you don't meet two-four milita forge gunners in that case. I play a decent amount. Haven't seen an HAV last more than a minute in so long, it's hard for me to specify. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2503	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:34:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? Are we still talking about pirate and factionalised suits and vehicles, modules and such, the basic suits and 3 vehicle types are not the be all end all in dust just as they are not in EVE for ship types.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2503	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:34:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? Nope. Not even REMOTELY related to my answer. I want dropsuits/vehicles and more to do, rather than more 'server fixes,' hit detection fixes,' and other nonsense that does nothing but waste man hours. You can't tell me you're happy with Caldari + AR or Minnie Scout + Shotty, or HEAVY + HMG (yeah, there's only one option for that). Besides, screw your framerate I want an MTAC. = ) --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies I pilot tanks. Who are you to deny players Matari and Amarr HAV?
Thumb Green Novashift 433	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:42:00 - [19] - Quote Core gameplay mechanics should always be the main focus. Look at it this way, a house built on an unstable foundation can never stand for long. If they add content without fixing the gameplay then they're building a house on an unstable foundation.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2447	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:42:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Those that choose content over gameplay need to find another game. Gameplay always comes first. Gameplay is acceptable. Content is not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies You want everything now with nothing to look forward to in two years? looks at the list given in the OP for what core content is defined to be for the purposes of this poll Ugh, yeah.

Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 238	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:44:00 - [21] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: It doesn't have to be "either or". They can incorporate both in alternating sequences. Mechanics are much improved but still not 100%, nor will they ever be. I do have to agree with Spkr though...gameplay always comes first. Content should be a reward and given in small doses with plenty of in-between time. Last content update was Flaylocks + Scrambler rifles. That was 1,000 years ago. We get 'mechanics' fixes every patch, and most of those are fixing things the hundred chimps at a hundred keyboards broke during the 'repair' process. The fact remains, the game works. My Amarr tank, or Caldari scout does not. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies Sarcasm not needed. A question was asked; I merely responded. Also, you misunderstand my post. I want new content more than anything else tbh. Gameplay is stable atm but it can always be improved, as it has yet to resemble a finished product. It is time for CCP to implement new content, as this will retain current players and bring old ones back. I will always choose playability over shiny new toys anyday. I think any competitive, veteran FPS player would.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6341	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:44:00 - [22] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Core gameplay mechanics should always be the main focus. Look at it this way, a house built on an unstable foundation can never stand for long. If they add content without fixing the gameplay then they're building a house on an unstable foundation. But the house is stable, its not perfect but its far from falling apart. CCP won't make any money from the house if it gets so boring and everyone gets tired of living there and move to houses with better stuff.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2503	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:44:00 - [23] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Core gameplay mechanics should always be the main focus. Look at it this way, a house built on an unstable foundation can never stand for long. If they add content without fixing the gameplay then they're building a house on an unstable foundation. Rather they entertain their audience than continue with the poor performance they are showing now. As Kagehoshi said, there should be no issue since the game is of a reasonable quality, gameplay can be iterated on per build, content should be there so we can see how that develops in relation to such gameplay features.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2447	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:45:00 - [24] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Core gameplay mechanics should always be the main focus. Look at it this way, a house built on an unstable foundation can never stand for long. If they add content without fixing the gameplay then they're building a house on an unstable foundation. Do note that I'm not saying core gameplay should be abandoned, I am saying is the gameplay is good enough now for a shift to introducing the absolutely core content, and only that core content, which I listed in the OP, should be made. Upon completion, return to a more gameplay-focused approach.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 947	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:47:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Who are you to deny players Matari and Amarr HAV? What would they matter if gameplay is still not where it should be? Do you even tank?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 592	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:47:00 - [26] - Quote imho racial suits, weaponry and vehicles should be done first as basis along with polished core and a respec for everyone thus you can actually get SP into something you wanted instead of the limited choice you currently have.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 947	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:48:00 - [27] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I pilot tanks. I hope you don't meet two-four milita forge gunners in that case. I play a decent amount. Haven't seen an HAV last more than a minute in so long, it's hard for me to specify. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies MLT forge guns? LOL I welcome them. Far better than Ishukones.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 132	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:49:00 - [28] - Quote Why isn't there an option for a forum user to create a poll thread here like any other forum sites?
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 344	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:51:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: IamI3rian wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I pilot tanks. I hope you don't meet two-four milita forge gunners in that case. I play a decent amount. Haven't seen an HAV last more than a minute in so long, it's hard for me to specify. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies MLT forge guns? LOL I welcome them. Far better than Ishukones. Can't argue that. Four of them are still gonna blast you into the ground though. Also, this: Thumb Green wrote: Core gameplay mechanics should always be the main focus. Look at it this way, a house built on an unstable foundation can never stand for long. If they add content without fixing the gameplay then they're building a house on an unstable foundation. No one's gonna want to live in a house with a REALLY sweet foundation, but only two walls, and those are only on the first floor. Better to have a decent house with a pool, tennis courts and a three car garage, even if the front door sticks, and the showers get cold after an hour. Beats a furnished basement with nothing upstairs, no? --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 427	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:52:00 - [30] - Quote There are few nuts and bolts that need tightening, but a couple of new toys would be nice (I want to try out the Minmatar heavy).



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