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Parson Atreides wrote:

So we had a Clan meeting today, as we do normally on the first of the month. But what wasn't normal was the speed with which we brought up, discussed, and dismissed Dust. We used to talk about it for hours.

A lot of you may not know RND or think only talking about Dust for a few hours isn't anything special, but RND has been around for a while in a few shooters, and has been competitive and very successful in all of them. So to spend hours talking about only Dust and very little time with current/future shooters when you have a number of players active in multiple other games was telling. Before PC launched we spent a lot of time discussing Alliances, Districts, strategies, etc in Clan meetings.

Today we spent all of 15 minutes talking about the current state of Dust, RND, and the relationship between the two. For the next hour and 15 minutes we spent time talking about two other games, only one of which is even out right now.

While I won't bore you with the details (as if you aren't bored by this point already), the point is, there's nothing new in Dust and from what I'm reading on the forums from Devs, there isn't any urgency to change that. With that in mind:

There's nothing new to be said, really, but it's worth repeating in yet another thread. If you've played the game for more than a few months, you know it's sorely lacking in content.

I'll just parrot the standard doom/gloom arguments because every day they become less pessimistic and more realistic: With big name titles right around the corner (or already here) like BF4 and GTAO and with the soon-to-be-released PS4 with its own slew of high-profile shooter titles (Killzone, Planetside 2, Destiny, The Division, Warframe, Blacklight Retribution, etc etc), things are only going to get worse. Every patch after 1.6 needs to be primarily concerned with adding content, because 3 modes on 8 maps with only 16v16 is horribly repetitive.

A lot of the corps that have 20 million + SP players are losing a lot of people because the game is just boring. There's nothing new to do, ever.

CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything.

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Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 746	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:05:00 - [1] - Quote So we had a Clan meeting today, as we do normally on the first of the month. But what wasn't normal was the speed with which we brought up, discussed, and dismissed Dust. We used to talk about it for hours. A lot of you may not know RND or think only talking about Dust for a few hours isn't anything special, but RND has been around for a while in a few shooters, and has been competitive and very successful in all of them. So to spend hours talking about only Dust and very little time with current/future shooters when you have a number of players active in multiple other games was telling. Before PC launched we spent a lot of time discussing Alliances, Districts, strategies, etc in Clan meetings. Today we spent all of 15 minutes talking about the current state of Dust, RND, and the relationship between the two. For the next hour and 15 minutes we spent time talking about two other games, only one of which is even out right now. While I won't bore you with the details (as if you aren't bored by this point already), the point is, there's nothing new in Dust and from what I'm reading on the forums from Devs, there isn't any urgency to change that. With that in mind: There's nothing new to be said, really, but it's worth repeating in yet another thread. If you've played the game for more than a few months, you know it's sorely lacking in content. I'll just parrot the standard doom/gloom arguments because every day they become less pessimistic and more realistic: With big name titles right around the corner (or already here) like BF4 and GTAO and with the soon-to-be-released PS4 with its own slew of high-profile shooter titles (Killzone, Planetside 2, Destiny, The Division, Warframe, Blacklight Retribution, etc etc), things are only going to get worse. Every patch after 1.6 needs to be primarily concerned with adding content, because 3 modes on 8 maps with only 16v16 is horribly repetitive. A lot of the corps that have 20 million + SP players are losing a lot of people because the game is just boring. There's nothing new to do, ever. CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3962	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:09:00 - [2] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!"
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 87	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote I think PVE are only hope they can make the game player base back , if they fvked up on PVE this game is doom like company of hero and etc end up close down
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1007	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:15:00 - [4] - Quote A good presentation of a valid point OP. What would be the best bang for the buck in terms of new/revised content in the short term? Foxfour and crew are cooking up something for faction warfare, so maybe there's something there in terms of new gameplay. I believe the simplest answer to the problem is Skirmish 1.0-style staging on the current maps.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1545	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:20:00 - [5] - Quote Is almost like CCP is scare of adding to much content in the game, and then having to re-balanced for years. Instead we been spoon-fed with small amounts of content every month, with lots of useless fixes that count for nothing when the next lot of content comes out. Just trow everything at us CCP, we will cope with it, have some faith. It is easier to cope with hard times if you having Fun.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 470	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote Once again I will invoke my previous thread on the subject.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 226	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:31:00 - [7] - Quote yes and this is why those who love this game are worried as hell.
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 753	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:32:00 - [8] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: A good presentation of a valid point OP. What would be the best bang for the buck in terms of new/revised content in the short term? Foxfour and crew are cooking up something for faction warfare, so maybe there's something there in terms of new gameplay. I believe the simplest answer to the problem is Skirmish 1.0-style staging on the current maps. They're dragging their feet on Skirmish 1.0, among other things. You can go as far back as Fanfest of this year and you'll hear a Dev state outright they're bringing it back. Then 5 months later, after countless posts begging for new content, we still don't even have a word on when it'll return. Personally I think the quickest, most efficient, and most noticeable use of their time would be to: 1. Make another Planet-type available to play on (Plasma would probably be the coolest, visually). At the very least, this allows them to transfer every outpost and socket they currently have over to that type, effectively doubling their map count (albeit somewhat superficially). 2. Add more game modes. Skirmish 1.0 shouldn't be as hard as they're making it seem. They've already coded it and supposedly have had plans to bring it back for a minimum of 5 months, so what's the hold-up? Also, they launched an FPS with 3 game modes (Ambush and Ambush OMS were always the same thing). I'm not sure why more modes haven't been added up to this point. 3. PvE. While undoubtedly the most time and resource-intensive, this should, if done right, pay off any effort ten-fold. It'll not only provide a bunch of new content to bittervets like myself, but also help new players who are struggling in PvP at lower-SP levels.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 692	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: So we had a Clan meeting today, as we do normally on the first of the month. But what wasn't normal was the speed with which we brought up, discussed, and dismissed Dust. We used to talk about it for hours. A lot of you may not know RND or think only talking about Dust for a few hours isn't anything special, but RND has been around for a while in a few shooters, and has been competitive and very successful in all of them. So to spend hours talking about only Dust and very little time with current/future shooters when you have a number of players active in multiple other games was telling. Before PC launched we spent a lot of time discussing Alliances, Districts, strategies, etc in Clan meetings. Today we spent all of 15 minutes talking about the current state of Dust, RND, and the relationship between the two. For the next hour and 15 minutes we spent time talking about two other games, only one of which is even out right now. While I won't bore you with the details (as if you aren't bored by this point already), the point is, there's nothing new in Dust and from what I'm reading on the forums from Devs, there isn't any urgency to change that. With that in mind: There's nothing new to be said, really, but it's worth repeating in yet another thread. If you've played the game for more than a few months, you know it's sorely lacking in content. I'll just parrot the standard doom/gloom arguments because every day they become less pessimistic and more realistic: With big name titles right around the corner (or already here) like BF4 and GTAO and with the soon-to-be-released PS4 with its own slew of high-profile shooter titles (Killzone, Planetside 2, Destiny, The Division, Warframe, Blacklight Retribution, etc etc), things are only going to get worse. Every patch after 1.6 needs to be primarily concerned with adding content, because 3 modes on 8 maps with only 16v16 is horribly repetitive. A lot of the corps that have 20 million + SP players are losing a lot of people because the game is just boring. There's nothing new to do, ever. CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. looks like the last Cronos meeting...3 months ago
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 753	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:43:00 - [10] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: looks like the last Cronos meeting...3 months ago Starting to think that's how recent meetings of every successful corp/alliance that's been around for a while is starting to sound like.

Haul Caradoc Ahrendee Frontlinez Omega Commission 1	Posted - 2013.10.02 05:43:00 - [11] - Quote New suits would be nice too. It's annoying when you see CCP talking about new weapons when they only have one racial heavy suit out so far. How many more months do we have to wait for those?
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2427	Posted - 2013.10.02 05:53:00 - [12] - Quote So I'm not the only one who thinks new content should have a higher priority over core updates? Honestly if you black out all the complaints here on the forums, then you'll find the gameplay is actually pretty good right now. Even with vehicles, it's bad but it's not horrible. Now as far as maps go, I can't complain as Team Knee 101 has done a great job. But racial dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons is a must. I can sort of understand putting off racial vehicles, but how much longer are we going to have to wait for vehicle fixes? If it's going to be several months (which it is) then give the Amarr and Gallente something to play with in the meantime! And what's the excuse for three missing heavies and two missing lights?
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 131	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:09:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!" Sorry it will be pushed back to 1.9
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3223	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:12:00 - [14] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!" Correction. CCP - "We've heard your demands (as well as our reviews) to fix the content we already have so that it's function before introducing anything else and are still working on that." Oh - by the way, Squad Finder is part of that social aspect that half of you were bitching about not too long ago
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 743	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:14:00 - [15] - Quote This basket is full of doom kitten
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2434	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:19:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!" Correction. CCP - "We've heard your demands (as well as our reviews) to fix the content we already have so that it's function before introducing anything else and are still working on that." Oh - by the way, Squad Finder is part of that social aspect that half of you were bitching about not too long ago Except that's the thing, Dust is functional. People need to stop over-exaggerating that Dust is unplayable - I'd go as far as to say it is on par with industry standards for a full retail game as far as the actual gameplay goes.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2489	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:24:00 - [17] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!" Correction. CCP - "We've heard your demands (as well as our reviews) to fix the content we already have so that it's function before introducing anything else and are still working on that." Oh - by the way, Squad Finder is part of that social aspect that half of you were bitching about not too long ago Except that's the thing, Dust is functional. People need to stop over-exaggerating that Dust is unplayable - I'd go as far as to say it is on par with industry standards for a full retail game as far as the actual gameplay goes. Yup this game is fine right now, I cannot see why there is so much demand for gameplay fixes. What will people do once they get them? Play with the same guns and the same dropsuits we will have had for 2 years? What will you play? The same game modes we have had for months? What will make this game diverse and unique? Nothing because the CORE CONTENT is not present in the game. We need new things to continue having reasons to play. What if FW does not get fixed for months, how can players represent their corporations on even ground? What happens if we are stuck with new content looming on the horizon but no respecs promised or planned? Sometimes I am utterly frustrated and tired of this game because day in day out we are working towards some goal we set for ourselves and never taking any meaningful steps towards it.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2435	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:32:00 - [18] - Quote True, we can at least be glad we got the Amarr medium frame and scrambler rifle before CCP decided to make this drastic shift in focus to exclusively gameplay fixes, because had they made that shift even a month sooner we would probably still be about 6 months or more away from their introduction.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2490	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:35:00 - [19] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True, we can at least be glad we got the Amarr medium frame and scrambler rifle before CCP decided to make this drastic shift in focus to exclusively gameplay fixes, because had they made that shift even a month sooner we would probably still be about 6 months or more away from their introduction. I would have left this game a long time ago without them.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 424	Posted - 2013.10.02 06:38:00 - [20] - Quote Most of the core group of players in my corp have been around since closed beta, and we've been saying the same thing: If CCP doesn't do something big soon (not SOONGäó), then they're going to lose a LOT of players to the holiday releases.

Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH 175	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:23:00 - [21] - Quote I think one of the reasons CCP have made this switch is due to sone weapns and such being unbalanced. The forums have tended to focus on this and the majority of posts here have been about OP or UP things. Spread the word and lets make new content the repetitive post topic. When CCP have nothing else to comment on they might see that content is wanted more than the fixes they are currently working on. Maybe this will help.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2446	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:33:00 - [22] - Quote Jade Dragonis wrote: I think one of the reasons CCP have made this switch is due to sone weapns and such being unbalanced. The forums have tended to focus on this and the majority of posts here have been about OP or UP things. Spread the word and lets make new content the repetitive post topic. When CCP have nothing else to comment on they might see that content is wanted more than the fixes they are currently working on. Maybe this will help. I fully support this and have been working at it!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2503	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:36:00 - [23] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: I think one of the reasons CCP have made this switch is due to sone weapns and such being unbalanced. The forums have tended to focus on this and the majority of posts here have been about OP or UP things. Spread the word and lets make new content the repetitive post topic. When CCP have nothing else to comment on they might see that content is wanted more than the fixes they are currently working on. Maybe this will help. I fully support this and have been working at it! However you cannot balance things without incorporating them into the sand box which CCP has yet to do, we cannot know how OP or UP they are until we get our hands on them....>CCP is not the best judge on what is and isn't OP or UP.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 340	Posted - 2013.10.02 07:41:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: CCP is not the best judge on what is and isn't OP or UP. Oddly, neither is math. Certain weapons (well, most) are better at certain things than others. Without the anything else, the pistol is the best sniper rifle. Also, as mentioned, the numbers may suggest one thing but in actual gameplay certain things (like armor dropships) become more useful, despite being mathematically inferior. We need more toys, preferably before I get too far hooked into GTA:O to bother with the login bonus anymore. = ( --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1012	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:07:00 - [25] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Parson Atreides wrote: CCP: Make content a priority from here on out. Suits, maps, game modes, sockets, space stations, new planets (how long have we been fighting on only temperate planets?), PvE, anything. CCP - "We've heard your demands for more content, and are proud to announce that we will be introducing a new Squad Finder in 1.5!" Correction. CCP - "We've heard your demands (as well as our reviews) to fix the content we already have so that it's function before introducing anything else and are still working on that." Oh - by the way, Squad Finder is part of that social aspect that half of you were bitching about not too long ago I have to support this. Remember that it's only because CCP had the bejeezus scared out of them that they finally started to focus on the core - players were demanding it and reviews tanked miserably. They did a good job on the core in 1.3/1.4 but they are nowhere near done. If CCP leaves core mechanics and controls like they are now they can consign themselves to B-grade reviews forever, and DUST will always be classed as 'not quite a real shooter'. I'm with Aeon, he's right on the money - CCP is filling in infrastructure gaps that need to be filled before DUST can evolve into the MMO it promised to be. Many peeps are bitching at CCP atm about for not delivering on the MMO aspect of the game - well, folks that's what these 'boring' infrastructure upgrades are all about. If CCP stays the course i'd expect real hierarchical voice comms/HUD indicators to show up sooner than later. Peeps are right in saying that we need new content, but everything in moderation. CCP is being stingy in supplying DUST with the resources it needs to move quickly, believing i suppose that they have the time to waste. In their shoes with november coming i would plan for the worst and hope for the best, which in this case means delivering players some new content. Imo the cheapest, most leverage-able content is new game modes on existing maps with existing assets. I hope that is what True Grit is hinting at with FW.
steadyhand amarr Amarr S.A.D 1452	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:19:00 - [26] - Quote Thus this thread proves that you should stick to your own plans. People screamed fix the core for like 6 months and now ccp are two months into that effort people are screaming more content. All that said OMG GIVES US MORE STUFF But do it on your plan and stick to it clearly trying to please the fourm has just got you into more of a mess
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1006	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:21:00 - [27] - Quote Agree 100%, dust has been suffering for months from lack of content. A fact that seems to confuse and anger a lot of players. And I don't blame them, there has never been a clear explaination why content development is taking so long especially with a company CCPs size.
steadyhand amarr Amarr S.A.D 1453	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:42:00 - [28] - Quote Dust team is the smallest of the 3 games I'm told :-(
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 769	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:43:00 - [29] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Thus this thread proves that you should stick to your own plans. People screamed fix the core for like 6 months and now ccp are two months into that effort people are screaming more content. All that said OMG GIVES US MORE STUFF But do it on your plan and stick to it clearly trying to please the fourm has just got you into more of a mess People screamed "fix the core" because Uprising, the patch we had all been waiting for for over 5 months, was absolute ****. It broke aiming, there were horrible framerate issues (in PC especially), bad hit detection and worse latency. And two months into the effort? Try five. As soon as they saw how horrible the reviews were (5/14, launch of Dust), they went straight into fixing core gameplay and haven't stopped since (10/8, launch of 1.5). We've moved past all of that, more or less. The latency, hit detection (with the exception of shotguns), framerate (for the most part) and aiming are all much better--good enough to start focusing elsewhere. Meanwhile a lot of us have been playing these same three stale game modes for so long on the same maps in 16v16 that it's a chore to play. In the past year and a half that I've played, we've added only three game modes and lost one. We've gained only a handful of new maps despite CCP's early projections of having thousands of maps due to some fancy map-generator. PC and FW were added, but they're literally the exact same as any other Skirmish map. I think the core gameplay is pretty good right now. The problem is if you spend much longer trying to tweak this or that and ignoring new content that might actually make the game worth playing for any extended period of time, then you're not going to have anyone around to enjoy those core mechanics anyway.
Ripley Riley Pheonix Corp Selectus 3	Posted - 2013.10.02 13:46:00 - [30] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: PvE Parson Atreides wrote: PvE Parson Atreides wrote: PvE This, this, one thousand times this. I want the ability to take a breather from killing my fellow mercs for maybe an hour to kill some drones or something. I will then happily jump back into the wholesale murder of mercs. I just want some PvE to sprinkle in with my PvP, please and thank you.



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