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Alex Smoke The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 69	Posted - 2013.10.01 19:58:00 - [1] - Quote Distinguished members of the Dust 514 community, how long are you willing to spin the hamster wheel? Where is our SP rollover system, why did it take 5+ months to fix the plasma IR transparency settings; why are your latest events forcing us to grind even more, and why are you implementing more and more terrible ideas to make us log in every day (SP daily login bonus) when you know it only makes the players feel worse because they're constantly missing out on opportunities? Stats @ http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust are showing a decline from 6k active to 3k active on average; you're losing the battle for player retention. You increase booster prices, push features back ever more and give us an anaemic 1.5 patch with a terrible October event that basically forces you to play 3 games daily to get the max SP out of it: you REEK of desperation. When you find yourself in a hole stop digging. Give us the peace of mind of SP rollover and reimburse everyone's "missed out" bonus SP so they can gain it back if they put their hours into it AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION. Your hamster-training is getting worse every month and people are getting burnt out trying to stay on top of the SP grind. You made us vote on the SP rollover and you have done NOTHING about it ever since. I have finally come to realise that all your visions and ambitions are just bait to lure players into the SP grind, the EVE link is a joke and the performance of the game is still terrible 2 years later. You have incompetent developers who break basic functionality every patch and a lazy community team who can't even write a dev blog on time. CCP Shanghai, thou hast let me down mightily. Hamster signing off o/
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1478	Posted - 2013.10.01 20:19:00 - [2] - Quote Let them do there thing. I bet 100% that Eve online started out rough. CCP has to do there own thing or else the game would be terrible. You know if CCP took every little damn thing people said on the forums seriously, scouts would be impossible to kill, heavies would have 1500 base armour and shields and a huge amount of hmg range. Tanks would be godly and av would be crap. See? People say things that they want to be good, not for the good of the game and everybody else. Those things you mentioned let me use the sp roll over system as an example. It would be really really nice to have. Is it a top priority? Nope we need to fix other things before adding in things like that. You may say CCP is being stupid with what they add in now, like tutorials for example. But we need things like that in order for CCP to carry out there plan. Bottom line : We don't work there we don't know everything. Let them do there own thing. Bug reports and constructive criticism are one thing. But CCP knows what's going on They know the state of the game. Let them deal with it
Alex Smoke The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 70	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:07:00 - [3] - Quote EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1543	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote I don't think the log in more stuff is meant for the vets. Though, vets may have a hard time letting go of potential SP.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 601	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote qq
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1373	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:14:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Thank you for making an awesome free game, that you are trying to improve. Thanks for the gallente suits, and the amarr suits. Thanks for racial logis and assaults. For new weapons like the scrambler rifle! Thanks for nerfing the flaylock most of all.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 308	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:19:00 - [7] - Quote My big question is why CCP thinks that veteran players are going to continue to log in and play for SP without anything new or any reason to care about getting more SP? Why should I care about SP grinding when its been the same 16 v 16 lobby shooter for the past year I've been playing? The OP is right the Eve connection is a joke, the massive battles are non existent, PC is a disaster that is allowing some corps to pub stomp and nothing more, and the only thing that separates Dust from other multiplayer FPS games is the skill system. The grind for SP did keep me going for awhile, but now I'm content to spend a few minutes of my day logging in, getting my 6000 SP and promptly logging off to go play something else. I am not in the least bit tempted to get more aurum for the Omega boosters because the SP itself just doesn't matter. If me logging in for a few minutes to get some bonus SP is what CCP considers player retention then they are surely mistaken. I have bought 1 Elite pack and 4 merc packs since joining closed beta so I have invested heavily in this game and right now that investment is not paying off sadly thus at this time there is no way I am giving CCP anymore money until this game begins to even come close to what was promised. PvE, player market, larger matches, and an Eve connection that matters are needed if CCP wants any more money from me.
Guildo Crow ZionTCD 125	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:19:00 - [8] - Quote Alex Smoke wrote: EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops. Get a life, freak. No one is forcing you to log in every day, and no one is forcing you to reach the SP cap weekly. Jeez, you losers are so pathetic. Play the game and have some fun at your own pace, you dimwit. You don't like it? then leave and go waste your time somewhere else.
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:19:00 - [9] - Quote Its all part of the plan. Beta testers dont make a sustainable community. Theyre waiting for the whiners to move on so the rest of the sane/loyal playerbase and upcoming players can enjoy themselves without hearing the same old **** every week.
da GAND High-Damage Public Disorder. 253	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:20:00 - [10] - Quote There use to be many reasons for me to get on but now there's only one reason to get online. And that's when one of my buddys get on Dust, playing just to burn that bonus SP is boring. I only get online once or twice a day , and at most i'll play 4 battles for one day. After that there's just no point in playing another lobby shooter.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 469	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:25:00 - [11] - Quote Why do I think of THIS when I think of CCP Shanghai. Of course it's already not good that it's in a place called Shanghai.
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2966	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:26:00 - [12] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: Alex Smoke wrote: EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops. Get a life, freak. No one is forcing you to log in every day, and no one is forcing you to reach the SP cap weekly. Jeez, you losers are so pathetic. Play the game and have some fun at your own pace, you dimwit. You don't like it? then leave and go waste your time somewhere else. I like this guy, he makes a valid point, everyone with a gripe about this game should leave watches the 3000 players left dwindle to 1000 this sure is a terrific game. You ******* mug, this entire game is about having as much SP as you possible can to survive against Vets, there is nothing fun or entertaining about it, it's pure grind, it's a bad game littered with broken promises from CCP, I thought Duplex Systems were bad but these guys are awful, they just need a [GM]Smoker to go around banning people and then they'd be a hell of a lot worse. OP, +1 King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, [URL=https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1131818]Here![/URL
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1375	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:26:00 - [13] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: Alex Smoke wrote: EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops. Get a life, freak. No one is forcing you to log in every day, and no one is forcing you to reach the SP cap weekly. Jeez, you losers are so pathetic. Play the game and have some fun at your own pace, you dimwit. You don't like it? then leave and go waste your time somewhere else. Woah woah woah. Tone it down a bit.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6594	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:29:00 - [14] - Quote CCP is relying on blind fanboys who haven't witnessed the 'development' process to keep paying out the ear for things they don't need. Sadly, or fortunately, it seems to be working, somehow.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote Reads the OP, shrugs shoulders and goes back to playing a free game
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:37:00 - [16] - Quote Um jason, where do i know that dev from face of mankind?
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2969	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:39:00 - [17] - Quote Ynned Ivanova wrote: Um jason, where do i know that dev from face of mankind? Ooh someone knew what I was talking about :D [GM]Smoker, lovely FoM GM.. :D King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 311	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:39:00 - [18] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Reads the OP, shrugs shoulders and goes back to playing a free game Great for you man, I'm glad you enjoy it, but how long do you think the free game will be around if they can't convince people to at least throw $20 down on a merc pack or some aurum? The days of CCP getting money from dumbasses like me based on the "promise" of this game are over. They have to start providing people with reasons to want to pay for this game.
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 621	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Guildo Crow wrote: Alex Smoke wrote: EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops. Get a life, freak. No one is forcing you to log in every day, and no one is forcing you to reach the SP cap weekly. Jeez, you losers are so pathetic. Play the game and have some fun at your own pace, you dimwit. You don't like it? then leave and go waste your time somewhere else. Woah woah woah. Tone it down a bit. While not exactly eloquent, he does have a point - sort of. The need to get every single SP possible is an imagined one - there is exactly nothing forcing you to cap out every week or buy boosters all the time. This goes double once you pass 5 - 10 million SP, assuming you specialized early.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster 311	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:46:00 - [20] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: Guildo Crow wrote: Alex Smoke wrote: EVE player since 2004, CCP Shanghai is a joke compared to CCP Reykjav+¡k. I know what you're saying, and I really really want to be wrong, but I'm afraid they've managed to break my spirit and my intellect refuses to be tricked into running the hamster wheel again. Enough is enough, CCP is doubling down on making you log in even more so you can jump through their hoops. Get a life, freak. No one is forcing you to log in every day, and no one is forcing you to reach the SP cap weekly. Jeez, you losers are so pathetic. Play the game and have some fun at your own pace, you dimwit. You don't like it? then leave and go waste your time somewhere else. Woah woah woah. Tone it down a bit. While not exactly eloquent, he does have a point - sort of. The need to get every single SP possible is an imagined one - there is exactly nothing forcing you to cap out every week or buy boosters all the time. This goes double once you pass 5 - 10 million SP, assuming you specialized early. This is kind of my point and I think the OPs point, the grind itself is not enough reason to keep playing this game right now. I know people will say, stuff like, well then leave, but if I didn't care I would have. I really want this game to succeed and deliver on the promise, but it never will if we the player base keep telling CCP "yep everything is great here!"

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1545	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:55:00 - [21] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I really want this game to succeed and deliver on the promise, but it never will if we the player base keep telling CCP "yep everything is great here!" Let us know when you see any quantity of people saying that.
Guildo Crow ZionTCD 126	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:55:00 - [22] - Quote For anyone claiming that SP is the means to survival against "vets" or better players, is wrong; Good gun game, tactics, and team-play are. I'll admit, my last post was very tactless. But like I stated, no one is forcing you to grind. The game's more about teamwork than individual "strength" even though comparing SP to strength is not accurate at all. Honestly, if you just said eff-it to the SP grind (which I have, I'm sitting on 4 million sp banked) you can have a lot of fun with squad mates, and just playing around with different tactics, equipment etc etc. Yeah, the games got issues. Yeah, it's underwhelming. But no big, It's not going to change over night.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1794	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:05:00 - [23] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: For anyone claiming that SP is the means to survival against "vets" or better players, is wrong; Good gun game, tactics, and team-play are. I'll admit, my last post was very tactless. But like I stated, no one is forcing you to grind. The game's more about teamwork than individual "strength" even though comparing SP to strength is not accurate at all. Honestly, if you just said eff-it to the SP grind (which I have, I'm sitting on 4 million sp banked) you can have a lot of fun with squad mates, and just playing around with different tactics, equipment etc etc. Yeah, the games got issues. Yeah, it's underwhelming. But no big, It's not going to change over night. tried that... voiced made me quit for bf3 where i never have that issue. its no fun when you can't hear your team and they can't hear you while dealing with glitches.
Alex Smoke The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 78	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:17:00 - [24] - Quote Guildo Crow, the SP grind wouldn't be so bad if they didn't punish players who couldn't play for a week and lose the 190k bonus permanently. This is what CCP Nothing said a while ago and we haven't heard anything about it since (also linked in my original post): CCP Nothin wrote: Now, in regard to the weekly skill cap and the implications of it: We acknowledge that the current implementation of the skill cap still isn't quite there yet. It doesn't quite allow people to choose when to play as freely as we would like, and it also adds some unnecessary complexity when it comes to using active boosters. This is why we are working our way towards a rollover SP system: instead having your pool of bonus SP being reset according to a fixed weekly cycle, you will steadily accumulate bonus SP to a pool over time that you can then empty through fighting in battles. As a result, everyone should be able to better choose when to come in and claim the available SP. Moving to such a system would have the added benefit of allowing us to make active boosters to give out a constant value over time by having them influence the rate at which SP accumulates into the pool instead of just multiplying SP received at the end of each battle.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:19:00 - [25] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: For anyone claiming that SP is the means to survival against "vets" or better players, is wrong; Good gun game, tactics, and team-play are. I'll admit, my last post was very tactless. But like I stated, no one is forcing you to grind. The game's more about teamwork than individual "strength" even though comparing SP to strength is not accurate at all. Honestly, if you just said eff-it to the SP grind (which I have, I'm sitting on 4 million sp banked) you can have a lot of fun with squad mates, and just playing around with different tactics, equipment etc etc. Yeah, the games got issues. Yeah, it's underwhelming. But no big, It's not going to change over night. So a 20 man corp of pure Noobs with only 500,000 SP's each but uses "Good gun game, tactics, and team-play" can beat any other Corp in PC? Well then I am not sure why there is only one Corp holding the most Planets in PC. Pffff! You blind Fanboi!
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:21:00 - [26] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: CCP Thank you for making an awesome free game, that you are trying to improve. Thanks for the gallente suits, and the amarr suits. Thanks for racial logis and assaults. For new weapons like the scrambler rifle! Thanks for nerfing the flaylock most of all. AKA " Thanks for turning DUST 514 into AR514."
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 551	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:34:00 - [27] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: CCP Thank you for making an awesome free game, that you are trying to improve. Thanks for the gallente suits, and the amarr suits. Thanks for racial logis and assaults. For new weapons like the scrambler rifle! Thanks for nerfing the flaylock most of all. Jesus, you practically named half of the material this game has to offer in a couple sentences!
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:36:00 - [28] - Quote Asirius Medaius wrote: Kira Lannister wrote: CCP Thank you for making an awesome free game, that you are trying to improve. Thanks for the gallente suits, and the amarr suits. Thanks for racial logis and assaults. For new weapons like the scrambler rifle! Thanks for nerfing the flaylock most of all. Jesus, you practically named half of the material this game has to offer in a couple sentences! It helps the Marketing Department out. "KISS" Keep It Simple $tupid
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 799	Posted - 2013.10.01 22:57:00 - [29] - Quote 1/10 -No Humour -Blatant QQ -Blame CCP for everything +At least you tried =Terrabad Troll
Summ Dude Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 44	Posted - 2013.10.03 15:50:00 - [30] - Quote So people really seem to love using the 'it's free to play' argument. Let's see if we can't debunk that. So, yes, this game is free. Why is that? It's because CCP decided to make it free. They're attempting to capitalize on the micro-transaction economy that they've seen work rather well for them in Eve. So the higher ups at CCP sat down, talked about it, and decided to make Dust free to play, with several items available for purchase with real world money. It was their decision. My point ultimately being, they made that condition, not the community. It's not really logically sound to say that because they decided to use a certain system for generating revenue as opposed to another one that they can release a substandard product. Anywho, while I'm ranting, let's keep the discussion going with what I consider to be CCP's two biggest problems: 1) Work Ethic- So basically I would describe this as CCP's almost guaranteed inability to follow through on their promises; something that has already been brought up in this very thread. But going even beyond that, it's their inability to meet the expectations not only of the community, but even of themselves. Anybody else remember that dev blog waaaaaay back when they talked about how they were bringing scanners back? Anyone remember what else was in that blog? Bubble shields and cloaking devices. Yea....still not seeing those.... 2) Problem Solving- Ok so I should start by saying I'm no game designer. But I've studied the topic a bit, and heard a few discussions on it, and I think most aspiring game devs could agree that approximately 75% of a game dev's job is problem solving. Sure, you can get your initial idea down, then get your prototype running. But then after that it's almost all just fixing all the things you didn't notice the first time through, or the second, etc. This is even more crucial in a game like Dust, where new content is (at least in theory) always being added, and subsequently will need constant rebalancing. And look, just to be clear, I really do love this game's spirit. I love it's framework, I love what it could be. There's no question, it could be the definition of groundbreaking. And I really do give CCP props for coming up with such an original idea. But it's because of how much potential I see here that I simply can't abide the terrible execution over and over again. And as much as I wish I could just keep patting CCP on the back, the simple truth is that Dust is never going to improve that way. Because clearly right now, CCP doesn't feel very motivated to make actual real significant changes that benefit everyone. And I don't see any other way to get them there than by calling them out on their mistakes, and not settling, and not being afraid to demand the excellence that this game is clearly and truly capable of. To use a cheesy analogy: it's like watching your best friend get swallowed up by something horrible, an addiction or depression maybe. Of course they're your friend, and you don't want to hurt them. But at the same time, you can't bare to watch them spiral downward. So you decide to sack up, get in their face, and tell them to cut the ** and get back on track. Because it's what they need.** Ok, I'm plum out of passion now. Rant over.

steadyhand amarr Amarr S.A.D 1463	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:00:00 - [31] - Quote I really hate to say it but I agree with the op. I'm so far behind people I started with it's a joke the only reason I play dust now is for the RP and that just got a kick on the teeth by Destiny the FW event is going to be a awful and after seeing how well EvE is treated I'm only playing out of bordem of nothing better to do so I can talk to mates
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1017	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:39:00 - [32] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I don't think the log in more stuff is meant for the vets. Though, vets may have a hard time letting go of potential SP. My intuition about the daily login perk is that CCP is trying to measure their actual playerbase and get a feeling for what the real alt-bloat ratio is.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2068	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:43:00 - [33] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I really hate to say it but I agree with the op. I'm so far behind people I started with it's a joke the only reason I play dust now is for the RP and that just got a kick on the teeth by Destiny the FW event is going to be a awful and after seeing how well EvE is treated I'm only playing out of bordem of nothing better to do so I can talk to mates Yeah same, the only reason I played DUST was to talk to my corp. Then everyone got tired of lolDUST and went to better games. Now I'm just here on the forums and playing old Elder Scrolls games. (Why don't the new games have spears like Morrowind does)
fawkuima juggalo Hollowed Kings 65	Posted - 2013.10.03 23:04:00 - [34] - Quote sp rollover and player market. THEN IM GOO FOR A WHILE
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 485	Posted - 2013.10.04 04:59:00 - [35] - Quote Take THIS as gospel from someone who learned their lesson from EVE.
Blind Nojoy G I A N T EoN. 52	Posted - 2013.10.04 06:14:00 - [36] - Quote A market would be a nice bandaid. That would buy a month probably, before the QQ started up again. Hopefully some time to add new content or unf*ck vehicles? A respec might help too. I don't need one. I'm happy with my build, but I think it would help the situation. All the chodes that preach NO MOAR RESPECS can suck it. At this point you are just trying to keep things afloat. I played a pub match tonight for the first time today in almost a month. It was terrible. I quit it halfway through because my team was awful and my dren suit was having a tough time with duvolles sand boundless'. The past 22 days I've been doing the login for 6k and logout. I have 2 more passive boosters that I activated. Maybe it will be better in 2 months. If not, well regular passive keeps going too. In the event dust ever sucks less, maybe I'll start playing again. I'm not going to keep logging in for the bonus either. I'm sick of watching that jackoff stick figure give his buddy a concussion and snap his lamp in two. I finally got past the first mission in GTAO without it crashing though, so things are looking up!
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 283	Posted - 2013.10.04 09:02:00 - [37] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: Honestly, if you just said eff-it to the SP grind (which I have, I'm sitting on 4 million sp banked) you can have a lot of fun with squad mates, and just playing around with different tactics, equipment etc etc. I turn on my PS3 when I get out of the shower and get my free 6k xp while I'm towelling my balls. Doubles the excitement. I'm probably also contributing to their 3k player count while doing so. Not sure if I should feel used or rub harder.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 416	Posted - 2013.10.04 09:49:00 - [38] - Quote Blind Nojoy wrote: snip I played a pub match tonight for the first time today in almost a month. It was terrible. I quit it halfway through because my team was awful and my dren suit was having a tough time with duvolles sand boundless'. The past 22 days I've been doing the login for 6k and logout. snip I finally got past the first mission in GTAO without it crashing though, so things are looking up! My record for not playing has been 22 days. Creepy. If they thought the daily login bonus was going to get me in game then CCP thought wrong. The only reason I even played today was because GTA:O wasn't loading. That and it deleted my character today. However the banked money remained, very odd. I never thought the old glitchy days of closed Dust 514 beta could be made to look better by Rockstar. My games tonight were pretty good. Lucked out and fell in with a decent squad. Out of five or so games we only ran into one proto-stomp.


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