I just spent into ADV forge gun and now all this!

forge gun is op. stop defending the gun. i can solo any tank with it please. and i don't even have prof 5. only lvl 3 with 2 damage mods.

Jesus H Christ people, this is ridiculous. Before I go on, let me explain. I am primarily specced into Heavy suits and Forge Guns. I run them a little less often nowadays to save money, but I do bring them out in the case of vehicles that I really want to kill. However, I am also specced into vehicles. I run LLAVs, Armor Tanks, and ADS with proto blasters (on a side note, blasters need love T.T).
That being said, I agree that it sucks when I can not utilize my vehicle skills because of one person. Yes, it is really ridiculous that this happens. And I know that I do it other people.
But what everyone seems to forget or be ignorant of is the fact that the FG does exactly what it needs to do. I can not stress this enough! The Forge Gun is perfection. It is the one thing that CCP has consistently gotten right.
In my experience, my vehicles all have to worry about SLs just as much as FG. AV is crazy right now, but honestly it is exactly where it needs to be. The problem here is not the weapons, it's the vehicles. I hope that 1.6 will address vehicles more than anything and not touch AV too much if at all. Vehicles are broken, not the FG. :\

They do need a nerf. When one person with one weapon can kill and entire aspect of the game by themselves something is wrong.

The gun is op and you know it.

Why would someone want to nerf the FG? I had a basic one against a tank the other day and the tank was repairing faster than the FG could damage it. With AV nades I could barely hurt the tank with consistent fire.

Does having more SP to it make it that OP? I doubt it.

That being said, I agree that it sucks when I can not utilize my vehicle skills because of one person. Yes, it is really ridiculous that this happens. And I know that I do it other people.

You mean all aspects. Remember, they're pretty good snipers.

Forge guns are fine. The vehicles are the problem. They're too weak.

People need to understand that forge guns aren't the issue- map design is.

Forge gunners are only a problem when they get to a location only accessible by dropships.

forge guns are the issue. i can stand in fron of a tank dodge his shots and kill him. there is no math behind it or calculation. it's get anywhere he can't see u and fire!!!!

They're not snipers, though. They kill with splash damage. Such awesome, awesome splash damage. No direct hit, no problem! It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop!

It cracks me up that people are still pointing at HAVS accusing them of being too strong, when Forge Guns are running this game like a pimp mac daddy. Got a problem with a forge gunner? Son, don't make that forge gunner reach back his righteous right hand. He soaks it in oil! Talking back gets you five across the eye!

At least it seems like you understand that vehicles have some problems right now, so I'm setting myself on "peaceful" mode as I answer your thread.

I don't want to annoy you with my feelings for the Forge Gun, as I'm afraid people on these forums might have enough of my comments about it, but what I really think is broken about this weapon is the massive area-denial effect you get camping a tower with it.

"I can not utilize my vehicle skills because of one person. Yes, it is really ridiculous that this happens."

Yes, this one that you describe. It is ridiculous, it really is.

If you add the fact that I drive Shield tanks instead of Armor tanks, you can easily understand why the Forge Gun is my natural enemy, rather than other AV (it beats even nuclear nades).

Now, I know that there are some people running around with their Forge Guns instead of camping and I have some respect for those guys. I actually share something with them, they are probably masochists as I am for charging the battlefield with a Shield tank.

But the mechanics of the Forge Gun as it stands right now are quite broken, because they allow this knid of gameplay.
I would say that some damage falloff over the distance for this weapon would prevent people from insta-killing vehicles across the whole map without penalizing too much those Forgegunners that actually move around to control different points of the map.
This way, if I want to prevent my enemies from calling their vehicles, I actually have to move a little bit to the frontline. This is the best fix I can think of without reducing the effective damage output or accuracy.

Jesus H Christ people, this is ridiculous. Before I go on, let me explain. I am primarily specced into Heavy suits and Forge Guns. I run them a little less often nowadays to save money, but I do bring them out in the case of vehicles that I really want to kill. However, I am also specced into vehicles. I run LLAVs, Armor Tanks, and ADS with proto blasters (on a side note, blasters need love T.T).
That being said, I agree that it sucks when I can not utilize my vehicle skills because of one person. Yes, it is really ridiculous that this happens. And I know that I do it other people.
But what everyone seems to forget or be ignorant of is the fact that the FG does exactly what it needs to do. I can not stress this enough! The Forge Gun is perfection. It is the one thing that CCP has consistently gotten right.
In my experience, my vehicles all have to worry about SLs just as much as FG. AV is crazy right now, but honestly it is exactly where it needs to be. The problem here is not the weapons, it's the vehicles. I hope that 1.6 will address vehicles more than anything and not touch AV too much if at all. Vehicles are broken, not the FG. :\

2500 per shot is enough to make the damn thing OP. NO Dropship can compete with than, neither can a tank.

People need to understand that forge guns aren't the issue- map design is.

Forge gunners are only a problem when they get to a location only accessible by dropships.

That's one shot from the Breach, then another shot after a 5 second charge (6 second standard).
You can't get out of there in 5 seconds? Jeez, even infantry can deal with ~500dps weapons...

... or are you comparing a Proto Breach forge with standard vehicles? In which case, maybe a fairer comparison would be the standard FG (1350hp every 3.5 seconds) vs standard vehicles.


^This.

LOL, Forge Guns have small splash? Ease up on the blue sky, son. Meth is death.

Oh sorry. I use militia at 100m. Haven't tried the assault one or even the standard yet.

TL;DR:

I am a forge gunner. Therefore, I do not want my precious one shot scrub weapon nerfed. I don't care about balance. I just want to rule the battleground the easiest way possible. To hell with dynamic combat! CCP wrote the existence of this weapon into stone. It is therefore gospel. Praise be to the forge gun. Tom Cruise save us with your witchcraft.

FG them back, that's what I do!

The other day I killed a tower FGer 3 times. He was using a Gastun's I was using a DUA.

At one point I killed him and another dude in one shot!

Well ignoring vehicles, FG may be OP against infantry with spash and blaping anything. It's precision aim, insane distance and relative inexpensiveness.



Add vehicles to the picture and you are saying that FG vs vehicles is OP. But that the fix is to raise vehicles survivability.
That part makes sense just fine. It's never just one gun, its an equation. you have to balance that equation and without a vehicle re-work the best way to do that would be tone down the FG.

With a vehicle re-work nobody really knows yet. We'll have to see what CCP cooks up and how things are after that. But of course, I'd prefer not to wait an extra 1-6 months after vehicle re-work to address the forge gun if it is STILL op against vehicles. I'd rather avoid that situation from happening in the first place. Hopefully CCP gets it very close to right with their first iteration of things. And hopefully their design philosophy is solid

lol, been nailing them from the ground (and enjoying it) for a long time (you have a couple of new UM's that can attest to this).

Alright I have a solution right here.

First, we HALF the damage on the FGs. You with me here? We half the damage. We TAKE the damage, and we cut it in HALF.

Alright? Alright.

Now time for step two.

Step two is we DOUBLE it! We then take the damage and we DOUBLE it like a boss! You following me. We DOUBLE the DAMAGE!

It's epic, yall.

I would gladly attach an Ishukone Forge on my tank, it deals more damage than a 500,000 ISK rail turret and renders further.
Give the forge falloff damage, bullet drop or just lower the damage of the assault variant, there's no reason any weapon should completely wreck a 1.3 million ISK dropship in 4 seconds at 300m range with pinpoint precision and near instant travel time. What's the point in Swarm launchers then, the forge has more damage per clip and can double as a sniper.
It's foolish to say this gun isn't a menace, at least the assault variant.

Alright I have a solution right here.

First, we HALF the damage on the FGs. You with me here? We half the damage. We TAKE the damage, and we cut it in HALF.

Alright? Alright.

Now time for step two.

Step two is we DOUBLE it! We then take the damage and we DOUBLE it like a boss! You following me. We DOUBLE the DAMAGE!

It's epic, yall.

there is no step two... there never was.

im finding the one shot kill glitch on tank with my forge way to often, i think it is that random glitch that these tankers are assuming FG are OP