Jesus H Christ people, this is ridiculous. Before I go on, let me explain. I am primarily specced into Heavy suits and Forge Guns. I run them a little less often nowadays to save money, but I do bring them out in the case of vehicles that I really want to kill. However, I am also specced into vehicles. I run LLAVs, Armor Tanks, and ADS with proto blasters (on a side note, blasters need love T.T).
That being said, I agree that it sucks when I can not utilize my vehicle skills because of one person. Yes, it is really ridiculous that this happens. And I know that I do it other people.
But what everyone seems to forget or be ignorant of is the fact that the FG does exactly what it needs to do. I can not stress this enough! The Forge Gun is perfection. It is the one thing that CCP has consistently gotten right.
In my experience, my vehicles all have to worry about SLs just as much as FG. AV is crazy right now, but honestly it is exactly where it needs to be. The problem here is not the weapons, it's the vehicles. I hope that 1.6 will address vehicles more than anything and not touch AV too much if at all. Vehicles are broken, not the FG. :\

2500 per shot is enough to make the damn thing OP. NO Dropship can compete with than, neither can a tank.

People need to understand that forge guns aren't the issue- map design is.

Forge gunners are only a problem when they get to a location only accessible by dropships.

That's one shot from the Breach, then another shot after a 5 second charge (6 second standard).
You can't get out of there in 5 seconds? Jeez, even infantry can deal with ~500dps weapons...

... or are you comparing a Proto Breach forge with standard vehicles? In which case, maybe a fairer comparison would be the standard FG (1350hp every 3.5 seconds) vs standard vehicles.


^This.

LOL, Forge Guns have small splash? Ease up on the blue sky, son. Meth is death.

Oh sorry. I use militia at 100m. Haven't tried the assault one or even the standard yet.

TL;DR:

I am a forge gunner. Therefore, I do not want my precious one shot scrub weapon nerfed. I don't care about balance. I just want to rule the battleground the easiest way possible. To hell with dynamic combat! CCP wrote the existence of this weapon into stone. It is therefore gospel. Praise be to the forge gun. Tom Cruise save us with your witchcraft.

FG them back, that's what I do!

The other day I killed a tower FGer 3 times. He was using a Gastun's I was using a DUA.

At one point I killed him and another dude in one shot!

Well ignoring vehicles, FG may be OP against infantry with spash and blaping anything. It's precision aim, insane distance and relative inexpensiveness.



Add vehicles to the picture and you are saying that FG vs vehicles is OP. But that the fix is to raise vehicles survivability.
That part makes sense just fine. It's never just one gun, its an equation. you have to balance that equation and without a vehicle re-work the best way to do that would be tone down the FG.

With a vehicle re-work nobody really knows yet. We'll have to see what CCP cooks up and how things are after that. But of course, I'd prefer not to wait an extra 1-6 months after vehicle re-work to address the forge gun if it is STILL op against vehicles. I'd rather avoid that situation from happening in the first place. Hopefully CCP gets it very close to right with their first iteration of things. And hopefully their design philosophy is solid

lol, been nailing them from the ground (and enjoying it) for a long time (you have a couple of new UM's that can attest to this).

Alright I have a solution right here.

First, we HALF the damage on the FGs. You with me here? We half the damage. We TAKE the damage, and we cut it in HALF.

Alright? Alright.

Now time for step two.

Step two is we DOUBLE it! We then take the damage and we DOUBLE it like a boss! You following me. We DOUBLE the DAMAGE!

It's epic, yall.

I would gladly attach an Ishukone Forge on my tank, it deals more damage than a 500,000 ISK rail turret and renders further.
Give the forge falloff damage, bullet drop or just lower the damage of the assault variant, there's no reason any weapon should completely wreck a 1.3 million ISK dropship in 4 seconds at 300m range with pinpoint precision and near instant travel time. What's the point in Swarm launchers then, the forge has more damage per clip and can double as a sniper.
It's foolish to say this gun isn't a menace, at least the assault variant.

Alright I have a solution right here.

First, we HALF the damage on the FGs. You with me here? We half the damage. We TAKE the damage, and we cut it in HALF.

Alright? Alright.

Now time for step two.

Step two is we DOUBLE it! We then take the damage and we DOUBLE it like a boss! You following me. We DOUBLE the DAMAGE!

It's epic, yall.

there is no step two... there never was.

im finding the one shot kill glitch on tank with my forge way to often, i think it is that random glitch that these tankers are assuming FG are OP