When most other games have point blank killers such as CoD's knifing, its not that bad of an exploit, I mean, you're an idiot to let the guy/gal get that close. Its not much different than a breach shotgun or a nova knifing in hands of a player that can get in that range. Melee aim assist is pretty broken (as in not working) and this exploit comes at the cost of almost all the user's stamina making them vulnerable to getting shot after the first victim.

Overall since CCP can't hotfix, prove, nor enforce it that easily without so much as a master cluster @#% of a mess I opt the do nothing approach until its fixed with a patch.

However I am just a CPM, I cannot decide for CCP, I have express my concerns about the exploit's use in the tournament having negative community impact to CCP, and honestly if you really felt it was game breaking you should have taken it to urgent fury as they're more capable of disqualifications and for matters like that Kane Spearow is your CPM man in trying to talk that mess out.

As a final word I doubt the individual using the exploit single handedly won the entire match and the individuals named so far I know would have torn your posterior a new one without the exploit at all with similar or just as bad weapons at their disposal.

You want a real exploit talk to me when people start flying around without jetpacks and infinite ammo exploits or guns firing railgun shots.

And Yes I know this is bait to make me, the CPM, or CCP bad but err on the side of caution there is your response basically telling you that you are just about too late, after the fact, and not enough stink was raised when you could have. If you want to deal with it, your fight just got that much harder, good luck but I got bigger fish to fry and I am glad for one that train wreck of a tournament is over. I know its sad that other more serious complaints about the game drowned out the initial petition off the forums but that only tells me the guys effected by it were not interested enough to keep attention to the issue. Threadnaughts are your friends when used right and your worst enemy when used wrong.

CPM is nothing more then a forum tag.

it means nothing and IWS is the only one who even still plays.

at this point its just a "guy with an overinflated sence of importance" tag


no offence IWS... but can you get back to work at creating the system to elect CPM members so we can replace you and make the tag matter again?

Half the people who would be voted in would probably be completely awful as well tbh.

They're doing just fine. In case you guys forget IWS passed the melee thing along a long time ago. Thus it got fixed. It seems a lot of you want the cpm to play mommy and daddy and that is not their job.

I hope you guys realize that I am the most untypical council member to come along in a very long time. Most CSMs when elected disappear from the forums almost entirely.

How is that charter coming? I can't wait to cast my vote along with numerous other Dust players who know this game inside and out, who see the obvious problems with this game. Every journey starts with a step in the right direction.

They're doing just fine. In case you guys forget IWS passed the melee thing along a long time ago. Thus it got fixed. It seems a lot of you want the cpm to play mommy and daddy and that is not their job.

This is a valid question. What is the status of the charter and the plans for the election coming?

(note: I'm a proponent of a vote in general and haven't decided who I want yet)

Bunch of idiots thinking the CPM is there to hold their hands and make everything ok.

The CSM was created not to tell CCP what they can or can't do, but to represent OUR side of the table and champion OUR cause. Was it a publicity stunt? Sure. Sure. But it has taken on a life of its own and if you take up the mantle, you are obligated to take up the responsibility that comes with it. You have been doing the exact opposite. You're hard working IWS, but you're working for the wrong side.

Internal affairs responsibility is to keep CCP'rs from directly exploiting their own game/company for personal benefit. That's not the type of watchdogging the CSM does.


The CSM was created not to tell CCP what they can or can't do, but to represent OUR side of the table and champion OUR cause. Was it a publicity stunt? Sure. Sure. But it has taken on a life of its own and if you take up the mantle, you are obligated to take up the responsibility that comes with it. You have been doing the exact opposite. You're hard working IWS, but you're working for the wrong side.

Nomination Process I would still like to hear about from the community.

I was wondering how many seats should the CPM have? current roster is 6 seats should more be added?

+1 to Iron wolf saber! The only good CPM who is actually doing his job. Where are the other CPMs at? More appropriation should be showed to him for having to sift thew the crap that gets posted on these forums.

Well, if people feel they need their own needs to be tracked a little closer perhaps have a couple of people per suit, role or mode -- as long as having larger numbers of people doesn't prove costly or onerous.

Light, medium, heavy.
Scout, assault, logi, commando, heavy.
LAV, HAV, Dropships.
Pub, PC.
Skirmish, domination, ambush.
NPE.

I don't know if it will help with the QQing but at least everybody may in theory have a good chance at representation (as many people can cross multiple suits/roles/modes).

I am still waiting to get dragged around a bit by the community and get my nosed shoved into some waste pile on issues I might have missed and someone yelling bad wolf.

Anyways

Nomination Process I would still like to hear about from the community.

I was wondering how many seats should the CPM have? current roster is 6 seats should more be added?

Well, if people feel they need their own needs to be tracked a little closer perhaps have a couple of people per suit, role or mode -- as long as having larger numbers of people doesn't prove costly or onerous.

Light, medium, heavy.
Scout, assault, logi, commando, heavy.
LAV, HAV, Dropships.
Pub, PC.
Skirmish, domination, ambush.
NPE.

I don't know if it will help with the QQing but at least everybody may in theory have a good chance at representation (as many people can cross multiple suits/roles/modes).

We've had similar suggestions for nominations before but I vociferously reject the idea of specific specialists being on the CPM for the purpose or representing a narrow band of players. At worst this would only create a group of highly partisan people on the CPM all arguing their own corner and not taking into consideration the views of other roles played in the game. At best it would give us a group of people where each could only be at all useful for talking about 10% of issues because they have no knowledge of anything but their own speciality.

What we need on the CPM are people who are good communicators, impartial analysts and mediators. Most importantly we need people who will listen to the playerbase and investigate to find all sides of all issues raised to them, so that they can give CCP the clearest representation of the playerbase that they can.

There needs to be an odd number so that there can be a simple majority internally for issues that require it when approaching CCP. At 3-3 vote is bad. I would say to expand it to 7.

As for nomination process, it should be similar to what Eve does. Candidates interested needed to posited by the player base, and there needs to be a petition of sorts. I don't know the numbers needed for the petition as we (the players) don't know how many truly active accounts in Dust there, but it should be scaled based on this. Also, those on the CPM must be active players, and need to be committed to working on the forums, in between open round tables with the player base, and this should be communicated to any nominees.

I'd also like to say it nominees should not be limited to those who put their own names in. There are several people who would make good leaders but don't want to seek out the celebrity aspect. In my experience, these are typically the best leaders.

I'm sure I could offer more suggestions if you like, but will need some time to think it through (I've plenty of experience in setting up leadership in corps and alliances over the last 5 years in Eve and Dust and will happily offer any help I can to the process, if this was a legitimate request for ideas).

We've had similar suggestions for nominations before but I vociferously reject the idea of specific specialists being on the CPM for the purpose or representing a narrow band of players. At worst this would only create a group of highly partisan people on the CPM all arguing their own corner and not taking into consideration the views of other roles played in the game. At best it would give us a group of people where each could only be at all useful for talking about 10% of issues because they have no knowledge of anything but their own speciality.

What we need on the CPM are people who are good communicators, impartial analysts and mediators. Most importantly we need people who will listen to the playerbase and investigate to find all sides of all issues raised to them, so that they can give CCP the clearest representation of the playerbase that they can.

I dunno the amount of counter posts on the thread that sparked this one are well in sync with the messaging I had and others are counter posting for various other angles as well, and lets be honest I cannot represent everyone at the same time but I do ask those of opposing views to be serious and answer the questions when I do ask for them because its all I generally need to get it sent upstairs with best effect. I will disagree with the community from time to time or portions of it frequently but if enough effort is put into making it reasonable and presentable I will pass it along.

Good Posting gets you much further than bad posting ever would and the other thread's OP when boiled had the singular goal of attacking CCP just about.

We've had similar suggestions for nominations before but I vociferously reject the idea of specific specialists being on the CPM for the purpose or representing a narrow band of players. At worst this would only create a group of highly partisan people on the CPM all arguing their own corner and not taking into consideration the views of other roles played in the game. At best it would give us a group of people where each could only be at all useful for talking about 10% of issues because they have no knowledge of anything but their own speciality.

What we need on the CPM are people who are good communicators, impartial analysts and mediators. Most importantly we need people who will listen to the playerbase and investigate to find all sides of all issues raised to them, so that they can give CCP the clearest representation of the playerbase that they can.

I am still waiting to get dragged around a bit by the community and get my nosed shoved into some waste pile on issues I might have missed and someone yelling bad wolf.

Anyways

Nomination Process I would still like to hear about from the community.

I was wondering how many seats should the CPM have? current roster is 6 seats should more be added?

Shotty Go Bang on behalf of scouts/stealth has my vote.

I don't know... if the people who get on the panel take their position seriously then you'd have discussions concerning how doing one thing may impact another group for which the proposing party does not have any background. The people we need on the panel can have the qualities you suggest and still have a specialization for which they are most knowledgeable.

If the people we get on the panel don't take their role seriously, to represent the community for the greater good of the game, then it really won't matter how it is structured.

I hope you guys realize that I am the most untypical council member to come along in a very long time. Most CSMs when elected disappear from the forums almost entirely.



During my interview I asked additional duties the council would have, CCP Dolan was nice to answer basically saying I would basically on top of that post's outline would also be fulfilling the CSM's job for the Dust 514 community. I knew before I said yes that this was going to be the hardest term of all CPMs and felt I was up for the challenge.

It was all fine and dandy until uprising 1.0 hit the fan that the game somehow got far worse than what the CPM enjoyed at the fanfest.

The Charter is still being drafted and passed around the office. It's probably waiting on some big folk signatures because the actions within that charter WILL be expensive to the business.

The White papers haven't passed even a first showable draft to the CPM yet.

Let me then finally say any sort of election is going to likely require a patch into the game to make it work and right now that is not on the foreseeable burn logs of things to do but near end of CPM 0's term i can see it being possible.

While the election system is very easy to understand and implement and most of it is rule policy such as qualified to vote or not; I am far far far more interested to hear what you guys come up with for a nomination process. How does a regular joe say he is up for election, then him saying to him getting to be on the ballot? How would that process handle out? Who nay or yeas his nominations?

This is where I would have opt for some handholding until the CPM's tasks are made much clearer to the Dust 514 community, expectation setting for the people getting involved to be become members. That anyone running would need CCP approval after meeting minimal requirements which includes a cadre of things from having a passport and being legal over self. This is however my opinion and I already know the drawback is that voters would still feel disenfranchised because they're still ccp picked heads and it could remove any sense of 'freedom of the vote' and ultimately takes a lot of time out of CCPs own hands. CPM 0 originally had 200 candidates selected give or take which is very similar to CSM election nominees in which a large number can get filtered out due to failure in qualifications (not old enough, no passport usually). One has to wonder what merits each one had, I only know of a small handful of people who did turn down the CPM 0 positions and for the reasons I have cited before, They knew the CPM is not fun and games and was very serious business.

But anyways come up with your own nomination process, pro and con it and debate others. I would like to see the path of least harm most good emerge.

They're still doing their job their own way which is very similar and more CSM like.

I'll be honest and without using vulgarity, I along with lots of others disagree with you on lots of subjects. However YOU DO at least have a presence on the forums.

This DUST council thing is the biggest load of crap. To go along with a lacklustre game I suppose. So much talk, so many promises and so little action.

So they are being our reps, by not representing or communicating with us? Ha JOKE of a game.

It is really hard to see the action though, its there but I cannot share most of it. It's slow, its methodical, things have to be nearly planned months in advanced around here and that itself is a problem in its own right. Its terrible turn around time is very bad but it cannot be really helped and the studio is still evolving to adapt far better into making a game. Console environment makes this far more difficult, had we been first on pc we would be experiencing probably patches as fast and minorly as they can crank them out. Instead of oh say 1.3 launching with a bad bug and having to wait until 1.5 for it to get fixed because 1.4 locked and is off to QA for trimming.



Sit down and talk with one of them. You'll be pleasantly surprised and no you're not by far the only person that ever talks to them by a long shot.

Meh it does not matter how you do it, the leaders of the mega corps are going to take over for a little while, accomplish absolutely nothing because its just a popularity contest, everyone will say the CPM is a massive fail. In fact many are already saying that. Then after a year of recovery some smaller people who are actually intelligent instead of just being able to get masses of braindead minions to vote for them will get seats, CPM will be successful and then the megacorps will take over again because the prestige is back. Its the cycle of the csm after all.

I'd love to sit down and talk with quite a few of you, understand your processes and what you propose...no idea how to do that though.