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Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:12:00 -
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Introduction
WeGÇÖve all be scanned at some point upon the battlefield as Handheld Active Scanners are now becoming a big thing and will be even more so when 1.5 is released. In this thread; I just wanted to clarify just how they work and how to counter them.
The Handheld Active scanner
When activated the Active Scanner send out a high frequency pulse (Decibels) wave that when hits a another frequency profile, it sends a feedback loop, back to the user giving detailed pinpoint locations of enemy positions caught within that wave to all members of that said squad. This means, if you are caught within that wave you are then highlighted up on the users and users squadGÇÖs minimap for a limited amount of time depending what scanner scanned you down. Each scanner has their own scan properties; ranging from the time you are highlighted, the range and radius to which you can be scanned or how precise they are able to get a fix on your location.
Active Scanners have their own level of scan precision; meaning they can only scan certain suits within that dB range:
Basic Scanner - 46 dB
Advanced Scanner - 36 dB
Prototype Scanner - 28 dB
Focused Prototype Scanner - 15 dB
Each Dropsuit also has their own set scan profile, which is also tied to GÇ£DecibelsGÇ¥ or dB:
Light Dropsuits - 45 dB
Medium Dropsuits - 50 dB
Heavy Dropsuits - 65 dB
As you can see the basic scanner won't be able to scan a Light Dropsuit as itGÇÖs dB profile range isn't within the scanners dB range:
A basic 46 dB scanner cannot acquire something that has a 45 dB scan profile because its scan frequency isn't low enough.
How to counter Active Scanners?
Seeing as anyone who is currently using an Active Scanner will more than likely be using the GÇ£Advanced Quantum Active ScannerGÇ¥; which scans within the 36 dB range. To counter the QuantumGÇÖs scanners frequency pulse youGÇÖll need to reduce your scan profile with the use of the Profile Dampener skill book and the moduals the skill unlocks; as they can reduce your Dropsuits scan profile below the 36 dB range making you undetectable to all advanced scanners.
Each level of the Profile Dampener Skill reduced your profile by 2% per level and each module reduced by set amounts:
Basic = 15%
Advanced = 20%
Complex = 25%
Depending on the type of suit you are using your going to need to reduce your scan profile by the percentages listed below to be undetectable to Advanced Active Scanners and the Quantum:
Light Dropsuits :: 22% = 2 x Basic or 1 x Advanced Profile Dampener
Medium Dropsuits :: 29% = 2 x Basic, or 1 x Complex Profile Dampener
Heavy Dropsuits :: 45% = 1 x Basic and 1 x Complex Profile Dampener
Summary
Whether you're running solo or in a squad, active scanners are becoming one of the best pieces of equipment to bring to the battlefield and should be invest upon by everyone as they can increase your survivability 10 fold as you can see where the enemy positions are either to; retreat or get some kills. With the upcoming release of 1.5 youGÇÖll now be able to gain WPGÇÖs from confirment scanned kills received from any squad member, meaning theyGÇÖll become even more popular than ever! To some they are becoming a major problem within the community and being dubbed at the GÇ£wallhackGÇ¥. They are low in fitting costs and cheap in skill point acquisition.
The advanced scanners which I have talked about; only require 205,200 SP to unlock and is definitely worth it.
Unfortunately if you have been scanned by someone using a prototype scanner, youGÇÖll have to reduce your scan profile below 28 or 15 dB; leaving you to sacrifice too many Low slots and EHP to be unscannable; meaning youGÇÖll have to gain a 50% reduction (for medium suits) or 2 low slots! If they are using a Focused Prototype Scanner you're pretty much screwed! (as of 1.4)
Anyway I hope all that helped to understand a little more about Active Scanners and how to counter them. If you have any questions or require more information; drop a question below and IGÇÖll do my best to answer.
Anyway I hope all that helped to understand a little more about Active Scanners and how to counter them. If you have any questions, require more information or if I have made any mistakes; please leave a comment below and IGÇÖll do my best to answer or rectify the issue. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:16:00 -
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I feel Troy McClure should be narrating this after I read the title |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:22:00 -
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But seriously though, read your post in another thread and forgot to say...nice write up. Good read indeed |
Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:24:00 -
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Im not bothered about them bringing the fight to me so I really couldn't care less about being scanned, but very informative post op. |
Stefan Stahl
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:49:00 -
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Thanks for the write-up, but this really should be in the training grounds.
Also, why does the advanced stable scanner have better scanning precision and lower fitting costs than the standard scanner? This makes advanced scanners the de-facto standard in the game. |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:19:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Thanks for the write-up, but this really should be in the training grounds.
Also, why does the advanced stable scanner have better scanning precision and lower fitting costs than the standard scanner? This makes advanced scanners the de-facto standard in the game.
It has the same scan precision as all the other advanced scanners at: 36 dB. The only difference is a 3 PG reduction.... As for the reason why its there; I have no clue! |
Roner General
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:31:00 -
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ok now wut about the scouts? do the math for me bby |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:34:00 -
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Roner General wrote:ok now wut about the scouts? do the math for me bby
I did: Scout suits = Light Dropsuits :: 22% = 2 x Basic or 1 x Advanced Profile Dampener
Have another read..... |
Roner General
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:39:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Roner General wrote:ok now wut about the scouts? do the math for me bby I did: Scout suits = Light Dropsuits :: 22% = 2 x Basic or 1 x Advanced Profile Dampener Have another read.....
scouts aren't the same as light. scouts have passive 5% SCAN reduction per level so 25% at proto level i guess it's just a built in complex dampener |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:50:00 -
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Roner General wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Roner General wrote:ok now wut about the scouts? do the math for me bby I did: Scout suits = Light Dropsuits :: 22% = 2 x Basic or 1 x Advanced Profile Dampener Have another read..... scouts aren't the same as light. scouts have passive 5% SCAN reduction per level so 25% at proto level i guess it's just a built in complex dampener
So they do! Yeh prototype scouts would have a natural passive 25% reduction leaving them unscannable to advanced scanners. Thankx for information IGÇÖll update this. |
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DJINN Marauder
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:56:00 -
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Roner General wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Roner General wrote:ok now wut about the scouts? do the math for me bby I did: Scout suits = Light Dropsuits :: 22% = 2 x Basic or 1 x Advanced Profile Dampener Have another read..... scouts aren't the same as light. scouts have passive 5% SCAN reduction per level so 25% at proto level i guess it's just a built in complex dampener
Hmm.. If I recall having scout skill at 5 and profile dampening skill at 3 makes you immune to all adv scanners without a module.
A light frame, would still need to use 2 basic profile dams or 1 adv. |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 12:59:00 -
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Updated the OP towards scouts! |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 17:33:00 -
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Fixed all the wrong percentages and added scout; Basic, Advanced amd Prototype profile reduction information; to be unscannable actively and passively for all advanced scanners. |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:58:00 -
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This is a really good write up.
Though, one thing. Having level 5 scout, level 5 profile dampening, one basic and one enhanced profile dampener will bring the scan profile down to 13.5. Any combination the gives more than 67% will work. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:04:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I feel Troy McClure should be narrating this after I read the title
You may remember me from "The erotic adventures of Hercules" |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:11:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:This is a really good write up.
Though, one thing. Having level 5 scout, level 5 profile dampening, one basic and one enhanced profile dampener will bring the scan profile down to 13.5. Any combination the gives more than 67% will work.
Thank you for pointing that out: Updated! |
Shotty GoBang
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:39:00 -
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Good write up. +1 |
Llast 326
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:45:00 -
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This is an excellent write up. Since i fall into the paranoid scout category, my question is; am i the paranoid one or is that medium frame spinning in circles with a scanner the paranoid one? |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:22:00 -
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I think that to get under the 15db scanner as a scout u NEED 25% suit bonus 10% skill bonus and 3 complex dampners that do 25% each, leaving a total scan profile at 12.8 db. That means that my minmatar scout CANT hide from the focused no matter what I do.
Ps. With level 4 scout and level 3 damp u can hide from ADV pasively, and one enhanced from proto. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:24:00 -
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In real life I can at least detect people at 20 meters with 30 dB... Come on... you need an active scanner to use your hearing? |
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low genius
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Posted - 2013.10.04 02:35:00 -
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math is fun 
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Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.10.04 08:47:00 -
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Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote:I think that to get under the 15db scanner as a scout u NEED 25% suit bonus 10% skill bonus and 3 complex dampners that do 25% each, leaving a total scan profile at 12.8 db. That means that my minmatar scout CANT hide from the focused no matter what I do.
Ps. With level 4 scout and level 3 damp u can hide from ADV pasively, and one enhanced from proto.
Thats a negative. All you need is:
25% for level 5 scout,
10% passive for Profile Dampener level 5
25% with a Complex Profile Dampener
10% with an Basic Profile Dampener
All together thats a 70% scan profile reduction, leaving any scout suit with a scan profile of 13.5; which is well under the Prototype Focused Active Scanner. In Fact all you need is get a 69% reduction :) |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:21:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Extraneus Tenebrarum wrote:I think that to get under the 15db scanner as a scout u NEED 25% suit bonus 10% skill bonus and 3 complex dampners that do 25% each, leaving a total scan profile at 12.8 db. That means that my minmatar scout CANT hide from the focused no matter what I do.
Ps. With level 4 scout and level 3 damp u can hide from ADV pasively, and one enhanced from proto. Thats a negative. All you need is: 25% for level 5 scout, 10% passive for Profile Dampener level 5 25% with a Complex Profile Dampener 10% with an Basic Profile Dampener All together thats a 70% scan profile reduction, leaving any scout suit with a scan profile of 13.5; which is well under the Prototype Focused Active Scanner. In Fact all you need is get a 69% reduction :)
The basic profile dampner I think does 15% right? |
Extraneus Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:39:00 -
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Since English is not my first language this may sound weird but bear with me:
I dont think percentages(%) stack on top of each other, example by following your math You would be able to get 0% profile dampening with 4 complex profile dampners(25%+25%+25%+25%=100%). I think its more like this: 45 base -25%= 33.75 -10%= 30.375 -25%= 22.78125 -25%= 17.0859375 -25%= 12.8144531
Leaving the gallante scout the only one to get bellow the 15db scanner. Not trying to bother you but Im just very confused at the moment. |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:34:00 -
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Oh I get what you're saying, pretty sure its the way IGÇÖve calculated it. But it would interesting to get some kind of confirmation from CCP just have it works considering theres no real explanation. |
Smooth Assassin
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:36:00 -
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Data base |
Lt Royal
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:14:00 -
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W00t, finally got Profile Dampening 5, which IGÇÖm now fielding an enhanced profile dampener on my Winmatar logi to be unscannable to all advanced scanners!
I just love it now when it pops up saying:
GÇ£Scan attempt preventedGÇ¥
If youGÇÖre are able to get a scan on me fair play, prototype scanners are SP intensive and you deserve it! |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:21:00 -
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''Paranoid Scout Tip :: With Basic and Complex Profile Dampeners fitted a Level 5 Scout has a 70% scan profile reduction leaving them unscannable to any form of scanners; handheld or vehicular!''
YEAH AT THE COST OF MY ONLY 2 LOW SLOTS AS A MINNIE SCOUT.
This is totall Bulls***.
Proto scouts shoult NOT have to invest so heavily in order to avoid active scanners....
This is why scouts are MORT.
Im not mad at you OP, im mad at CCP killing scouts even further with something as stupid as Active scanners.... |
Tech Ohm Eaven
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Posted - 2013.10.14 01:38:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:In real life I can at least detect people at 20 meters with 30 dB... Come on... you need an active scanner to use your hearing?
In real life I am a 52 year old male who can sprint a 1/2 mile to the store and back and not even be tired.
In the game my "Super Soldier" from the "future" gets tired after "sprinting" two BLOCKS....LOL!!!!!!!! |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
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Posted - 2013.10.14 02:05:00 -
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Lol please by all means sacrifice your bulk for dampeners. Those dedicated Logis using proto will still see you. |
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