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Jason Pearson
Animus Securities
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:27:00 -
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So no doubt CCP has been thinking about turrets in their amazing vehicle rebalance, which is no doubt amazing due to being pushed back and will probably be pushed back further because it will be amazing, right CCP? But, if they have overlooked them, they should get on it :)
Currently we have four types of Blaster Turret, Standard, Scattered, Stabilized and Compressed with Scattered being the best to use and the Compressed being awful, and anyone using it is judged harshly and laughed at.
Here's how I believe the turrets should act.
Standard Damage: Moderate RoF: Moderate Range: Low Ammo: Moderate
Scattered Damage: Low RoF: High Range: Low Ammo: High
Stabilized Damage: Moderate (low side) RoF: Moderate Range: High Ammo: Moderate
Compressed Damage: High RoF: Low Range: Low Ammo: Moderate
Remove the higher PG/CPU costs for Stabilized, I've never seen a Stabilized Ion Cannon on the field unless it's on a trash fit, because they are impossible to fit.
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General John Ripper
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:28:00 -
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hm |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:33:00 -
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I concur with Mr. Pearson's statement about the blasters. I think the Regulated Railguns should as well get rid of the ridiculous requirements. I never understood why they had it in the first place..... |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:52:00 -
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add cost as a value too. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:57:00 -
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ladwar wrote:add cost as a value too.
They should all cost the same, other than the regular one, as it's a jack of all trades. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:06:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:ladwar wrote:add cost as a value too. They should all cost the same, other than the regular one, as it's a jack of all trades. CCP don't see it that way. *cough* compressed rails, accelerated missiles, scattered blasters *cough*
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:13:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:ladwar wrote:add cost as a value too. They should all cost the same, other than the regular one, as it's a jack of all trades. CCP don't see it that way. *cough* compressed rails, accelerated missiles, scattered blasters *cough*
ikr? The compressed rails are only useful against vehicles, and only if you don't miss, same for accelerated missiles. Scattered blasters are kinda overall OP compared to the other blasters, but it seems like we all agree on how to fix them. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:08:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the Blaster Turrets, the advanced ones kicks ass, yes, i just recently spec into vehicles in preparation for 1.5
If you keep moving and use the LAV as a portable turret, you can do some serious damage to almost anything. I talking about the 75,000 isk light blaster ( forgot the name ). Also because you can recall the LAV, is very cost effective too.
But it looks to me that CCP is going to end up making the turrets OP, same old story;
People use things wrongly, and CCP buff things for all the wrong reasons. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:16:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Nothing wrong with the Blaster Turrets, the advanced ones kicks ass, yes, i just recently spec into vehicles in preparation for 1.5 If you keep moving and use the LAV as a portable turret, you can do some serious damage to almost anything. I talking about the 75,000 isk light blaster ( forgot the name ). Also because you can recall the LAV, is very cost effective too. But it looks to me that CCP is going to end up making the turrets OP, same all story; People use things wrongly, and CCP buff things for all the wrong reasons.
1: overall, no nothing's wrong with them. But, there is a balance issue with the variants. If you read what we typed, you would know that.
2: Vehicle update has been delayed. 1.6 is the new goal, but it might be delayed even further.
3: You just skilled into them, yet you're telling the people who has used them for over a year that they are all fine? uh huh..... |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:24:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Nothing wrong with the Blaster Turrets, the advanced ones kicks ass, yes, i just recently spec into vehicles in preparation for 1.5 If you keep moving and use the LAV as a portable turret, you can do some serious damage to almost anything. I talking about the 75,000 isk light blaster ( forgot the name ). Also because you can recall the LAV, is very cost effective too. But it looks to me that CCP is going to end up making the turrets OP, same all story; People use things wrongly, and CCP buff things for all the wrong reasons. 1: overall, no nothing's wrong with them. But, there is a balance issue with the variants. If you read what we typed, you would know that. 2: Vehicle update has been delayed. 1.6 is the new goal, but it might be delayed even further. 3: You just skilled into them, yet you're telling the people who has used them for over a year that they are all fine? uh huh.....
Maybe i just have a different idea of how a LAV should be use ... most people i see, they just rush around like maniacs trying to road kill people, making the turret pointless. I try to find a nice position where i can stop, and use the turret as a suppression tactical weapon, if things gets to hot, i run away and look for another position.
Like i said.. people use things wrongly. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:26:00 -
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Quote:Standard Damage: Moderate RoF: Moderate Range: Low Ammo: Moderate Pretty much what they're at now
Quote:Scattered Damage: Low RoF: High Range: Low Ammo: High
Um no please, it should have a lesser range but higher damage than normal blasters, as it is currently. The change they should make is to lessen damage to below compressed. I like the "shotgun" element to them as they are. Close and deadly. However they would be out ranged/damaged by Compressed, but not out-DPS'd.
Quote: Stabilized Damage: Moderate (low side) RoF: Moderate Range: High Ammo: Moderate
Don't nerf their damage, no one would use a long range low damage blaster because at the greater range your aiming margin of error increases so a pray and spray long range weapon is not too viable.
Quote:Compressed Damage: High RoF: Low Range: Low Ammo: Moderate That is what it's like right now. However with ammunition Compressed turrets would become more viable, as it would require less ammunition to kill.
Quote:Remove the higher PG/CPU costs for Stabilized, I've never seen a Stabilized Ion Cannon on the field unless it's on a trash fit, because they are impossible to fit. I think they should nerf the PG/CPU costs so it is more reasonable. As it is, the STD 20GJ Blasters all take 100 PG but the stabilized requires 125 PG, which is immense, a 25% increase which can really eat at your tank, in concern to dropships and LAVs. But really there has to be a downside to longer range and as I stated above nerfing the applicable combat stats would not work to well.
Because turrets will require ammunition in the future, turrets will be allowed the buff they need to compete with handheld weapons. As it is AR's beat 20GJ blasters hands down, 20GJ Missiles are viable but they have "Wonky" moments, and 20GJ Railguns have been creeping in the trash can since this game pretty much started.
Also note that I am more concerned on 20GJ over 80GJ because those are the turrets that are applicable to me and Condor Squad. Right now 80GJ work, but 20 GJ are lagging behind.
Also your ideas do not incorporate heat. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 01:44:00 -
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High ROF will make it to where it spits out lots of rounds, kinds like a shotty. Would that be cool? |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:01:00 -
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Still not sure what the purpose of a high damage low rof low range turret would be. it needs to have a job. like, it has the HIGHEST dps of all blasters, but u have to be on top of the enemy to take advantage of it. TO do this, give it an obscene DPS (means every shot is going to be like 225dmg, but give it a crazy falloff. Like it only does full damage within 25m, but drops off to half damage at 50m |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:45:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Still not sure what the purpose of a high damage low rof low range turret would be. it needs to have a job. like, it has the HIGHEST dps of all blasters, but u have to be on top of the enemy to take advantage of it. TO do this, give it an obscene DPS (means every shot is going to be like 225dmg, but give it a crazy falloff. Like it only does full damage within 25m, but drops off to half damage at 50m
It needs a higher damage output? Yes. That high? NO. Stop being such an extremist..... |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative..
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:48:00 -
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ladwar wrote:add cost as a value too.
Cost if irrelevant. Performance matters and that needs to be balanced.
Prices will come after those, and finally when the messiah of the free market finally arrives, the demand will fix the prices. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 04:02:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:ladwar wrote:add cost as a value too. Cost if irrelevant. Performance matters and that needs to be balanced. Prices will come after those, and finally when the messiah of the free market finally arrives, the demand will fix the prices.
This |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.29 04:04:00 -
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The pear is right on this one |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 04:05:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:The pear is right on this one
I assume that means you like the idea. I concur. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.09.29 04:12:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:snip
Currently we have four types of Blaster Turret, Standard, Scattered, Stabilized and Compressed with Scattered being the best to use and the Compressed being awful, and anyone using it is judged harshly and laughed at.
snip A couple questions.
Is that criteria true for Small Blasters on all vehicles (i.e. DS verses LAV)? I've very interested in which Advanced Blaster to stick on my LAV.
What sources resulted in your analysts? |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 04:14:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:snip
Currently we have four types of Blaster Turret, Standard, Scattered, Stabilized and Compressed with Scattered being the best to use and the Compressed being awful, and anyone using it is judged harshly and laughed at.
snip A couple questions. Is that criteria true for Small Blasters on all vehicles (i.e. DS verses LAV)? I've very interested in which Advanced Blaster to stick on my LAV. What sources resulted in your analysts?
Scattered is still best, although some people (such as myself) for some reason like the stabilized more. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
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Posted - 2013.09.29 07:58:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Still not sure what the purpose of a high damage low rof low range turret would be. it needs to have a job. like, it has the HIGHEST dps of all blasters, but u have to be on top of the enemy to take advantage of it. TO do this, give it an obscene DPS (means every shot is going to be like 225dmg, but give it a crazy falloff. Like it only does full damage within 25m, but drops off to half damage at 50m Ammo Conservation. You won't be able to kill people so fast but you won't eat through ammunition too much. It's kind of like the breach weapons. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.29 08:13:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Still not sure what the purpose of a high damage low rof low range turret would be. it needs to have a job. like, it has the HIGHEST dps of all blasters, but u have to be on top of the enemy to take advantage of it. TO do this, give it an obscene DPS (means every shot is going to be like 225dmg, but give it a crazy falloff. Like it only does full damage within 25m, but drops off to half damage at 50m Ammo Conservation. You won't be able to kill people so fast but you won't eat through ammunition too much. It's kind of like the breach weapons.
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