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Naedeus
DUST University
Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:55:00 -
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Rather than killing the feature entirely, wouldn't it be easier to just implement an option to have the feature turned off and on within the settings?
For people who don't want to have the neo comm always open up, you can turn it off and stare at your lovely mercenaries back. For those of us who do use our neo comm nearly every time we're in-game, we can just leave the feature on.
Bam. Problem solved. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2350
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:03:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:It's not hard to just hit L1, we don't need this feature. It's not hard to just hit L1 again to escape.
Unnecessary feature that probably replaced some other useful content feature that once implemented wont work correctly until late patch, almost before 1.6, which will be replaced by and equally meaningless feature.
The more CCP does this, withholds content, and such the more cynical and jaded I get. I cannot help but shake my head every time I see patch notes with nothing in terms of real expansion content. Personally I feel like I have shown up for Uprising, I wont need to be back until next build where I can claim my "Gone away disgusted" rewards and get something I don't deserve while other more patient and loyal players have suffered through this. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3132
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:12:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
STUFF
I'm not saying the entire patch sucks, I'm just saying that this one thing is pretty useless and you can say that it's not hard to hit 'O' to back out of it but it doesn't make it any less important to note that SOMEONE went out of their way to change this up when it was completely unnecessary. There is a lot more **** we need fixed right, especially in the UI department. You're changing the subject, your original post was about wanting it removed (Kill this before it reaches 1.5), and not about CCP having the wrong priorities; removing it wouldn't magically cause more important features to materialize into the patch. Furthermore, there is ALWAYS a feature that everyone thinks isn't a priority that always makes it into patches, but we'd be without a lot of cool "unnecessary" features if only the important things made it in the game; if importance always took priority, then we wouldn't even have a merc quarters or war barge, just some text menus and lobbies. The core mechanics isn't in some terrible dire state that everything else must be sacrificed so that it can be fixed. Its no perfect, but it works. I actually like this new feature, first thing I (and most people) do is open the Neocom anyway. I also like that my character from the front will be the first thing I see since the Neocom open makes the camera face the front of the character. I also really really ******* love the variety of skyboxes we have, which a lot of people have complained about because of that "priorities" argument. I'm not changing the subject at all, KAGEHOSHI - you're strawmanning. They're one in the same, the entire reason I think it's a pissy feature is because it took away from man hours that could work on something else. I also hate it because it's a really stupid change and saying it's not hard to just hit 'O' is the same as saying it's not hard to hit 'L1' - it's a personal preference that, like many other 'features' introduced into Eve Online and Dust 514, is being forced on the people who don't like it. Why not make it an optional feature if we're already working on changing the mechanics? Skyboxes are a graphical element that don't impact how the game -plays-. You can say the skybox looks like **** but it's not an unnecessary annoyance you have to deal with at the end of -every match-. Removing the feature won't make better UI features magically appear. We're not getting those man hours back, so your suggestion to kill this feature doesn't solve what you claim to be your problem. Now about the preference, I can see how it can be a tiny miniscule inconvenience to press O if you're not one of those people who automatically open the Neocom, but its not nearly a big enough change to warrant such a strong response. Also, do you really no just automatically open the Neocom automatically anyway most of the time? What exactly do you do n the Neocom at first most of the time?
Exactly, it can't be removed.
But, it could have been prevented had they asked for our feedback first. Maybe we could have said, "Yo, optional feature much? Why force this on players that don't like it?"
I don't automatically open the neocom. I actually find some great enjoyment in walking over to the console and activating it that way. Just a personal preference. First thing I usually do is hit up the fitting window to restock anyway and I'm -right next- to the panel for that at the end of a match, it's just faster than using the neocom and sifting through menus, even if it's just a -little- faster. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
1688
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:17:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Void Echo wrote:I guess people finally realized that CCP doesn't care about the major things we complain about and hae decided to start complaining about **** that's not core mechanics for once. Could not sound any more like a generic hater response. Taking something completely unrelated, and spinning it into a "CCP sucks, wah". So CCP doesn't care about the community's conplaints, alright. We complained about dropships not having a real way to make WP besides assists and now they're giving WP for troop transports
We complained about lack of WP for counterhacking and now they're adding WP for it
We complained about swarm rendering issues with vehicles and now they're looking into fixing it ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1339653#post1339653 )
We complained about lag and now they optimized for better network performance in 1.5
We complained about melee glitch and now its fixed in 1.5
I could go on, but I think you get the point. Basically the whole "poor us, CCP doesn't listen to us" crap is total BS, in fact they don't even have to listen to us, but they do. Just because you don't get everything you want when you want it doesn't mean the devs aren't trying. I'm not saying the entire patch sucks, I'm just saying that this one thing is pretty useless and you can say that it's not hard to hit 'O' to back out of it but it doesn't make it any less important to note that SOMEONE went out of their way to change this up when it was completely unnecessary. There is a lot more **** we need fixed right, especially in the UI department. You're changing the subject, your original post was about wanting it removed (Kill this before it reaches 1.5), and not about CCP having the wrong priorities; removing it wouldn't magically cause more important features to materialize into the patch. Furthermore, there is ALWAYS a feature that everyone thinks isn't a priority that always makes it into patches, but we'd be without a lot of cool "unnecessary" features if only the important things made it in the game; if importance always took priority, then we wouldn't even have a merc quarters or war barge, just some text menus and lobbies. The core mechanics isn't in some terrible dire state that everything else must be sacrificed so that it can be fixed. Its no perfect, but it works. I actually like this new feature, first thing I (and most people) do is open the Neocom anyway. I also like that my character from the front will be the first thing I see since the Neocom open makes the camera face the front of the character. I also really really ******* love the variety of skyboxes we have, which a lot of people have complained about because of that "priorities" argument. I'm not changing the subject at all, KAGEHOSHI - you're strawmanning. They're one in the same, the entire reason I think it's a pissy feature is because it took away from man hours that could work on something else. I also hate it because it's a really stupid change and saying it's not hard to just hit 'O' is the same as saying it's not hard to hit 'L1' - it's a personal preference that, like many other 'features' introduced into Eve Online and Dust 514, is being forced on the people who don't like it. Why not make it an optional feature if we're already working on changing the mechanics? Skyboxes are a graphical element that don't impact how the game -plays-. You can say the skybox looks like **** but it's not an unnecessary annoyance you have to deal with at the end of -every match-.
You say man hours yet any decent programmer could have this done in under an hour. The camera facing towards the character when in neocom would take more time to do then to start the neocom from the start. Even the camera changes could be done in under an hour. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1341
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:27:00 -
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Wait... there's actually players who walk up to the terminals to access the battle-finder or market? 
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2282
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:58:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:It's not hard to just hit L1, we don't need this feature. It's not hard to just hit L1 again to escape. its not hard, just click hide posts and mute the person who aggravates you.
I'm not aggravated at all! I just think this is something really silly to get all uptight about  |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1555
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:50:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Void Echo wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:We're seriously running out of things to complain about if this somehow passes as an issue.
Just press O, "problem" solved, jeez.. I guess people finally realized that CCP doesn't care about the major things we complain about and hae decided to start complaining about **** that's not core mechanics for once. Could not sound any more like a generic hater response. Taking something completely unrelated, and spinning it into a "CCP sucks, wah". So CCP doesn't care about the community's conplaints, alright. We complained about dropships not having a real way to make WP besides assists and now they're giving WP for troop transports
We complained about lack of WP for counterhacking and now they're adding WP for it
We complained about swarm rendering issues with vehicles and now they're looking into fixing it ( https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1339653#post1339653 )
We complained about lag and now they optimized for better network performance in 1.5
We complained about melee glitch and now its fixed in 1.5
I could go on, but I think you get the point. Basically the whole "poor us, CCP doesn't listen to us" crap is total BS, in fact they don't even have to listen to us, but they do. Just because you don't get everything you want when you want it doesn't mean the devs aren't trying.
it wasn't meant to be a hater response... just ironic. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star.
EoN.
1271
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Posted - 2013.09.28 06:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:We're seriously running out of things to complain about if this somehow passes as an issue.
Just press O, "problem" solved, jeez.
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