Snipers shouldn't be able to lockdown an objective single-handedly from hundreds of meters away in a position where no other gun can reach them so people need to call in dropships which will get forged before they are even released from the RDV. Perhaps you should adapt? If you want to snipe, how about finding a nice spot to cover high traffic areas instead of simply waiting on a spot where people have to stay relatively still with their backs turned? And yeah expect the occasional guy who you aggravate to try and rush you, you were given a sidearm for a reason.

If you look at all the nerfs to suits and weapons it points to one thing. That one thing is whinny AR users. I am getting sniped and they are out of my AR range so they must be stopped, CCP nerf hammer to the rescue. I am a heavy I can take on 2-3 AR users and do Ok. No heavy wrong, AR trumps a heavy armored suit with mini Gatling gun every time. CCP nerf hammer break the heavies spirit and make there weapon useless. CCP scouts are to fast and I cant kill them with my AR, no worries nerf hammer away. If you have not learned yet, if its not an AR and it can kill an AR user then it has to be nerfed into uselessness. I am surprised ScR have not felt the sting of the AR 514 nerf hammer yet. Ok I should shut up, do not want to give them any ideas.

CCP just seems to be skating around the real issues people got tired of being sniped from roof tops by sniper and forge snipers so let **** everyone and but a lip around all the new building and also lets make all the new obj in doors so that snipers again get the **** end of the stick idk about u other snipers but im not gonna waste a 60k sniper suit running around the city to just get shot in the back? and the forge gun issue well that hasnt gotten fixed at all the forge gun is still the most op gun in the game u shouldnt be able to do 6k+ damage in 6 seconds with the proto forge gun with out damage mods ive personally lost over 100 million isk to proto forge gun guys because u cant react fast enough in a hav or even a dropship to avoid them especially when there charge time is one and a half seconds

As a forge gunner, I've never once landed a kill that made me feel even remotely skilled.



Wait I take that back. I killed a guy jumping off a tower at an angle while he was waiting to hit his inertia dampener. That was cool.

Indoor Objectives = Remote Explosives Deaths

Could not have said it better!

All you snipers need to learn from Calisk. That guy takes sniping to another level. Upfront and personal; following the squad with his sniper rifle making it useful right in the action. Best sniper in the game.

CCP just seems to be skating around the real issues people got tired of being sniped from roof tops by sniper and forge snipers so let **** everyone and but a lip around all the new building and also lets make all the new obj in doors so that snipers again get the **** end of the stick idk about u other snipers but im not gonna waste a 60k sniper suit running around the city to just get shot in the back?

CCP LogicLoop said these new socket designs and maps were intentional to hobble snipers. The wanted no ladders, few or no climbable structures and wanted all of the objectives hidden inside building complexes or underground. He also said that it was going to be the future of the game.

Im sorry OP but im not gonna be involved in another sniper argument!
But I wil tell you the basis of my opinion from my conversation with Jantheil

We spent many pages discussing the changes to the sniper's abilities, spots, and even the basic archetype of the weapon.
For convineiance I will summarise using a series of statements.

1) The sniper role does not only consist of killing people
2) In the new maps sniper have a risk v reward like all other roles
3) The best spots are assumed to be the ones with the widest view
4) The best spots are easy to reach, by everyone
5) To use the best spots you need control of the area
6) The more "protected" a spot is the less you can see
7) Snipers are expected to need to relocate, as often as every 3-4mins
8) Sniper ranges typically begin as short as ~100m
9) If you don't kill a guy before he starts hacking, you should not be able to snipe him while he hacks.
10) Snipers have anti-material roles as well (destroying exposed enemy equipment etc.)

It is hard to tell if you agree or disagree with these statements, so I'm assuming you agree with them for the purposes of my reply.

1) I agree.
2) I have no problem with risk vs. reward. But nobody runs into CQC with a sniper rifle when other more effective choices are available. The CQC guys have the highest risk but get the highest rewards. There is a reason you don't see herds of snipers in CQC. The few snipers who do run with squads in close support are running with some of the best corps in the game. This takes a lot of pressure off the sniper because their squad is killing everything in sight.
3) This isn't true at all. Some of the best spots have very narrow points of view.
4) The best spots should be reachable by anyone. Anyone should have the ability to CQC me when I'm sniping. I dislike the redline.
5) No.
6) While this is strictly true is isn't necessarily bad. See my point #3 above.
7) I agree. Sitting still is an invitation to counter-sniping or ambush by angry reds in a clown car.
8) Some of the shorter range weapons in the game have ranges that are close enough to 100m that the player is only a second or two from you if he is running/sprinting. So, I'm going to give this one a cautious 'No'.
9) Bull. Absolute fresh from the bovine's bum. Bull, bull, bull. If a guy starts hacking then, by this logic, nobody should be able to shoot him. Because if you can't stop him, he should be allowed to hack.
10) Absolutely. It is one of our most important functions.

Munch

As for 5 this is dependant on the suit type, I would expect it to be hard for say a commando to snipe from behind enemy lines, but it is important role for a scout sniper.

I'm not sure I disagree with your above statement but I don't think we are talking about the same thing.

I disagree that "To use the best spots you need control of the area". To me this meant that my team or I had to be in control of an area for me to get the best sniping spot or to snipe effectively.
Munch

Its actually pretty fun getting low and hiding in a dip in the terrain to snipe guys, most people dont expect to be fired on by a sniper that way since all the scrub snipers go for the high spots and divert attention away from my sneaking self