...and there is no tank in Dust than can fend off one guy with packed lai dais..

Tanks in Pubs:

It's like the shotgun- it either works or it really doesn't work. I've had games where I spawn in and before the enemy MCC's armor is gone, I've racked up 20 kills; then I have other games where I'm stacked against a team of people with proto AV and i have to recall before i even leave my red line.

Tanks in PC:

It's an interesting thing...it all depends on how the enemy wants to kill me. If they decide to send a tank or two after me, I do fine. I might lose 1 or 2 over the course of the battle, but I'll kill 4-5 tanks and a couple infantry, usually. However, if they decide the want to kill me with AV (swarms of swarms or one forge on a roof) then i don't stand a chance. Nothing renders past 50m sometimes, the missiles are invisible, and there is no tank in Dust than can fend off one guy with packed lai dais. I'll HAVE to run infantry in battles like that or my tanks won't last 2 minutes

Vs LAi dais, get active scanners,dont let them get close.

Yes Swarms need to be visible, even have the ability to be DESTROYED mid air by vehicles and infantry alike....

I was waiting for you to show up. Please, tell me if you play PC.

Vs LAi dais, get active scanners,dont let them get close.

Yes Swarms need to be visible, even have the ability to be DESTROYED mid air by vehicles and infantry alike....

Actually top-end shield tanks can do it without flinching... Just shield tanks are garbage against other tanks so nobody in their right mind uses them in PC... I only use shield tanks because I'm stubborn and like to troll around in pub matches, but it is nice sometimes to survive kamikaze infantrymen

Tanks in Pubs:

It's like the shotgun- it either works or it really doesn't work. I've had games where I spawn in and before the enemy MCC's armor is gone, I've racked up 20 kills; then I have other games where I'm stacked against a team of people with proto AV and i have to recall before i even leave my red line.

Tanks in PC:

It's an interesting thing...it all depends on how the enemy wants to kill me. If they decide to send a tank or two after me, I do fine. I might lose 1 or 2 over the course of the battle, but I'll kill 4-5 tanks and a couple infantry, usually. However, if they decide the want to kill me with AV (swarms of swarms or one forge on a roof) then i don't stand a chance. Nothing renders past 50m sometimes, the missiles are invisible, and there is no tank in Dust than can fend off one guy with packed lai dais. I'll HAVE to run infantry in battles like that or my tanks won't last 2 minutes

So what's the general opinion of top end PC teams. Do they never run tanks then? Fielding a tank is a mistake that gets you defeated?

So what's the general opinion of top end PC teams. Do they never run tanks then? Fielding a tank is a mistake that gets you defeated?

Tanks in Pubs:

It's like the shotgun- it either works or it really doesn't work. I've had games where I spawn in and before the enemy MCC's armor is gone, I've racked up 20 kills; then I have other games where I'm stacked against a team of people with proto AV and i have to recall before i even leave my red line.

Tanks in PC:

It's an interesting thing...it all depends on how the enemy wants to kill me. If they decide to send a tank or two after me, I do fine. I might lose 1 or 2 over the course of the battle, but I'll kill 4-5 tanks and a couple infantry, usually. However, if they decide the want to kill me with AV (swarms of swarms or one forge on a roof) then i don't stand a chance. Nothing renders past 50m sometimes, the missiles are invisible, and there is no tank in Dust than can fend off one guy with packed lai dais. I'll HAVE to run infantry in battles like that or my tanks won't last 2 minutes

yeah, the only purpose we have is to either counter the enemy's vehicles and prevent them from getting any ground OR defend the objectives from the enemy that may sneak by while both teams are fighting on the front lines, were basically suppression and defense, no offense because of obvious reasons.

normally at least one team has at least 1 tank and in order to counter it, everyone brings in at least 1 tank.

Duna does not like packed lai dais

Just another "Tank vs tank is fine, but AV is super-OP" thread.

How about this, tank queues. Say two tankers join a match, both on opposing teams. Well, you can only bring in a tank if the enemy player also queues their tank. So if both you and the enemy tank queued your tank at some point during the match, then each will be brought in so you can fight eachother.

Or best yet, tanks get their own gamemode (which gives out appropriate ISK since you guys do pay more) but tanks are banned from joining all infantry based pub matches.

So in other words, tanks are doing just fine. Thanks.

Strangely enough they usually field at least one tank, despite tanks being a 'joke' or 'unplayable' according to most tankers...

forge guns and av grenades need a nerf. The forge gun should have damage drop off over distance. And its range shortened immensely.

Vs LAi dais, get active scanners,dont let them get close.

Yes Swarms need to be visible, even have the ability to be DESTROYED mid air by vehicles and infantry alike....

How would you feel about a flaylock that could never miss and the person who was shooting it was invisible, and it did 500 damage? How about the OHK contact grenades?

Both of those got nerfed, so by the same logic, swarms and AV grenades need to get nerfed, too.

Apples, oranges. How would you feel about a dropsuit that would be completely invulnerable to almost all of your available weapons, is faster than you, and yet can carry the weapons that are most deadly to you (oh and it got unlimited ammunition as well). Not to mention that being killed by a sniper feels pretty much the same. Yes a sniper can miss, but that doesn't help the victim now, does it.

I just find it odd to ask for total equilibrium when it comes to tanks. You can't have that without losing a lot of their threat factor as well, and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like that either.

Then how about you spend the SP and ISK to get yourself a tank and tell me how long they last.

What a flawed text.
Let everything how it is and give my tank the ability to hack objectives, okay?
I will rail in PC and dominate Pubs.

It's always the same with DUST University guys ... I hate you all from deep of my heart.

He answered my question, how is your reply even relevant to it? I would appreciate your input on the question instead.

The point is that while tanks have the potential to dominate a battle, they are not isk-efficient and nobody, without a corp, can run only tanks (or drop ships) and support themselves. These are the only roles where this is a factor. It needs to be changed. Either by making tanks extremely cheap or by making them A LOT tougher.

I run a callogi MD, and I've made one proto suit last through more games than a tank because infantry is far easier. If you disagree, you don't tank, and if you don't tank, you shouldn't be telling us what the role of a ta k is or if it is efficient or not.