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Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.22 18:57:00 - [1] - Quote I believe that players are dumping more SP into AR then other weapons. A player with level 3 in Laser rifles is complaining that a AR player is winning with more damage. That is not OP that is more skill. If I run into players equally invested in another weapon they have a good chance to kill me and a really good chance at a distance as Scram and Laser give more damage at farther ranges. The thing I have not seen mentioned the AR has the smallest clip. A skilled Scram player or Laser can kill multi targets with one clip size. Worry about over heat and such but waiting till AR is reloading give a good 3+ sec advantage. Everyone starts with the AR so it is most common. I think if each class/race started with different starter weapons you would not see that.
Soldier of Mawat Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 177	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:00:00 - [2] - Quote A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1946	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:01:00 - [3] - Quote I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote Soldier of Mawat wrote: A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency. Skilled is the optimal word. Its not the weapon that is OP if more skilled players use it. Because it was the weapon we started with in closed beta....
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1917	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:02:00 - [5] - Quote generic reply to OP about AR QQ. I V All post below me...and the first one.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 812	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:02:00 - [6] - Quote Soldier of Mawat wrote: A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency. This is true. Especially when you are killing starter fits and basic suits. They melt like butter to a proficiency 5 AR user.
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:03:00 - [7] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me lol the mental image should be a cartoon!
Soldier of Mawat Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 177	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:10:00 - [8] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Soldier of Mawat wrote: A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency. Skilled is the optimal word. Its not the weapon that is OP if more skilled players use it. Because it was the weapon we started with in closed beta.... Of course who needs skill anymore with how aim assist is now at least it isn't the "auto aim" it was a few weeks ago.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 995	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:11:00 - [9] - Quote The AR has a clip size of 60. The Scrambler has a clip of 45. the Laser has a 'clip' of 100, but can only fire 60 in one burst(Amarr Assault notwithstanding). It also wastes 30 'shots' getting to full power. Check the counts before you complain. I do believe MILITIA AR has only 30 shots though, so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.'
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:18:00 - [10] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post.

Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 47	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:25:00 - [11] - Quote I have lvl 0 proficiency and since I run tanks I also run starter fits to make up for the lost ISK, last match using the assault medic starter fit I went 19-8 ranking number 2 on the leader boards a skilled ar user will kill you almost every time regardless of proficiency or damage mods.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 995	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:26:00 - [12] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain.
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 47	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:27:00 - [13] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The militia assault rifle has 48 shots
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:28:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The idea is over time, and SP spent the other weapons become ore powerful but the AR is better before you but the skills into it.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 311	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:28:00 - [15] - Quote Eh, I think it needs some recoil tweaks, increase it a little, have it kick in sooner, and don't reset it after letting go of the trigger for a fraction of a second. But that's just my two isklets.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 237	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:33:00 - [16] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Soldier of Mawat wrote: A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency. This is true. Especially when you are killing starter fits and basic suits. They melt like butter to a proficiency 5 AR user. Same with prof 2 or 3. But I think people think it's op because it makes the breach version irrelevant, and the other ones because of its range, plus the newbs using aim assist.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. 212	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:43:00 - [17] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The other rifles don't even get militia variants. They should, as least the ScR should.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 995	Posted - 2013.09.22 19:48:00 - [18] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The idea is over time, and SP spent the other weapons become ore powerful but the AR is better before you but the skills into it. If that is true, why is the Duvolle Assault Rifle one of the most used guns, even within 'serious' games?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 302	Posted - 2013.09.22 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote Soldier of Mawat wrote: A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency. Especially a Krin's Sin-11 or a Balac's... Used a Krin's for the first time today and it was ******* awesome!
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 438	Posted - 2013.09.22 20:55:00 - [20] - Quote a 60 round clip is never a weakness.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8713	Posted - 2013.09.22 20:56:00 - [21] - Quote Reserve Ammo and magazines never felt like a drawback on the AR. I rarely get killed reloading an AR as well.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 996	Posted - 2013.09.22 21:53:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Reserve Ammo and magazines never felt like a drawback on the AR. I rarely get killed reloading an AR as well. The ammo reserves and clip size of the AR make it feel like an LMG, but the appearance and reload are more 'AR' level. The lack of recoil and sheer accuracy are from neither gun, however, not sure where those attributes come from...
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 232	Posted - 2013.09.23 09:52:00 - [23] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: I believe that players are dumping more SP into AR then other weapons. A player with level 3 in Laser rifles is complaining that a AR player is winning with more damage. That is not OP that is more skill. If I run into players equally invested in another weapon they have a good chance to kill me and a really good chance at a distance as Scram and Laser give more damage at farther ranges. The thing I have not seen mentioned the AR has the smallest clip. A skilled Scram player or Laser can kill multi targets with one clip size. Worry about over heat and such but waiting till AR is reloading give a good 3+ sec advantage. Everyone starts with the AR so it is most common. I think if each class/race started with different starter weapons you would not see that. False. There is no weakness to the AR.
Blaze Ashra Bragian Order Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:33:00 - [24] - Quote I vote for a truce on weapon nerf calls.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 570	Posted - 2013.09.23 10:42:00 - [25] - Quote lol "weakness". I have zero SP in ARs and can take down people long before my clip runs out just with the exile/std AR.
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:50:00 - [26] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The idea is over time, and SP spent the other weapons become ore powerful but the AR is better before you but the skills into it. If that is true, why is the Duvolle Assault Rifle one of the most used guns, even within 'serious' games? Like I said - Because that is the gun we started with in Beta. If they had a different starter gun for each race you would not see that.
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.09.23 21:55:00 - [27] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Athena Sentinel wrote: I believe that players are dumping more SP into AR then other weapons. A player with level 3 in Laser rifles is complaining that a AR player is winning with more damage. That is not OP that is more skill. If I run into players equally invested in another weapon they have a good chance to kill me and a really good chance at a distance as Scram and Laser give more damage at farther ranges. The thing I have not seen mentioned the AR has the smallest clip. A skilled Scram player or Laser can kill multi targets with one clip size. Worry about over heat and such but waiting till AR is reloading give a good 3+ sec advantage. Everyone starts with the AR so it is most common. I think if each class/race started with different starter weapons you would not see that. False. There is no weakness to the AR. Weaker then Laser vs shields, smaller clip size (laser rifles pound shield tanks). Weaker then Scram at range, unable to charge a shot Weaker then a Mass Driver - can't one shot. Weaker then a Sniper Rifle at long range Weaker then a Shot Gun at close range
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 522	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:05:00 - [28] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me False. Ppl who use most non-AR weapons cry about AR. Something is wrong when a heavy does better with an AR than HMG and something is wrong that a guy who picked up Plasma Cannon and skilled into it goes 1/5 KDR.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 204	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:06:00 - [29] - Quote lol a 60 round clip is considered as low? Dear lord what comes next? That the HMG doesnt fire fast enough?
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 86	Posted - 2013.09.23 22:09:00 - [30] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Delta 749 wrote: I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me False. Ppl who use most non-AR weapons cry about AR. Something is wrong when a heavy does better with an AR than HMG and something is wrong that a guy who picked up Plasma Cannon and skilled into it goes 1/5 KDR. ya, something is wrong when a heavy does better with a AR then a HMG - unless they are a commando... Your talking about very situational things here. The only answer I have is they need to buff the Plasma Cannon, its usefulness on the battlefield is limited. Or maybe its geared for Command second weapon options.



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