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Athena Sentinel
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:57:00 -
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I believe that players are dumping more SP into AR then other weapons. A player with level 3 in Laser rifles is complaining that a AR player is winning with more damage. That is not OP that is more skill. If I run into players equally invested in another weapon they have a good chance to kill me and a really good chance at a distance as Scram and Laser give more damage at farther ranges.
The thing I have not seen mentioned the AR has the smallest clip. A skilled Scram player or Laser can kill multi targets with one clip size. Worry about over heat and such but waiting till AR is reloading give a good 3+ sec advantage.
Everyone starts with the AR so it is most common. I think if each class/race started with different starter weapons you would not see that. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:02:00 -
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Soldier of Mawat wrote:A skilled player can kill multiple people with a single magazine of an AR, especially with a few ranks in proficiency.
Skilled is the optimal word. Its not the weapon that is OP if more skilled players use it. Because it was the weapon we started with in closed beta.... |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys
Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me
lol the mental image should be a cartoon! |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:18:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.'
Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:28:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain.
The idea is over time, and SP spent the other weapons become ore powerful but the AR is better before you but the skills into it. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:50:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote: so you are kindasortatechnically 'right.' Ya, your comparing militia rifles to the non-militia AR. You are a perfect example of the OP post. Excuse me, but what the F*&K are you talking about? Let my line it up so your puny mind may comprehend. Assault Rifle: 60 Shots flat Scrambler Rifle: 45 Shots, overheats after 15~, dependent on skills Laser Rifle: 100 Shots per clip, 60 per burst, 30 per burst at full power. Militia Assault Rifle: 30 Shots. The AssRifle has more shots than the other two. The other Rifles have no change to clip at Militia level. So please, grow a brain. The idea is over time, and SP spent the other weapons become ore powerful but the AR is better before you but the skills into it. If that is true, why is the Duvolle Assault Rifle one of the most used guns, even within 'serious' games?
Like I said - Because that is the gun we started with in Beta. If they had a different starter gun for each race you would not see that. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.23 21:55:00 -
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RA Drahcir wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:I believe that players are dumping more SP into AR then other weapons. A player with level 3 in Laser rifles is complaining that a AR player is winning with more damage. That is not OP that is more skill. If I run into players equally invested in another weapon they have a good chance to kill me and a really good chance at a distance as Scram and Laser give more damage at farther ranges.
The thing I have not seen mentioned the AR has the smallest clip. A skilled Scram player or Laser can kill multi targets with one clip size. Worry about over heat and such but waiting till AR is reloading give a good 3+ sec advantage.
Everyone starts with the AR so it is most common. I think if each class/race started with different starter weapons you would not see that. False. There is no weakness to the AR.
Weaker then Laser vs shields, smaller clip size (laser rifles pound shield tanks).
Weaker then Scram at range, unable to charge a shot
Weaker then a Mass Driver - can't one shot.
Weaker then a Sniper Rifle at long range
Weaker then a Shot Gun at close range
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Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.23 22:09:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Delta 749 wrote:I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys
Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me False. Ppl who use most non-AR weapons cry about AR. Something is wrong when a heavy does better with an AR than HMG and something is wrong that a guy who picked up Plasma Cannon and skilled into it goes 1/5 KDR.
ya, something is wrong when a heavy does better with a AR then a HMG - unless they are a commando... Your talking about very situational things here. The only answer I have is they need to buff the Plasma Cannon, its usefulness on the battlefield is limited. Or maybe its geared for Command second weapon options. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 05:22:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Delta 749 wrote:I like to think its well known by now that the ones really crying about the AR are the older guys that wandered in here from EVE that just cant keep up with younger guys
Hell, I myself am only in my mid twenties but you put me up against some 16 year old wired on red bull that only plays games all day and hes going to shoot much better than me False. Ppl who use most non-AR weapons cry about AR. Something is wrong when a heavy does better with an AR than HMG and something is wrong that a guy who picked up Plasma Cannon and skilled into it goes 1/5 KDR. yep. I do way better with AR than I do with HMG, unless the person is 5m away and directly infront of me. but at that point after i take out the first guy with my HMG the second behind him kills me wit easy because of the high damage on the AR....lolz even lance2ballzstrong switched over to AR Every time I see a Heavy with an AR, I die alittle inside. That ALONE should have gotten people thinking 'The guy with the HUGEASS Auotocannon is being outranged and out DPSed by a medium blaster. Somthing ain't addin' up Cletus!'
So melodramatic you guys.. The point of this thread was that some of the QQers are comparing lvl 3 skills to fully skilled AR players. These heavy weapons are the same - They are hardest to skill into, heavy requires more +5s. So they don't have the skill so they use starter weapons they already have the skills for. Sad your right. |
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