Do you have links to the pics?

I saw the caldari Fighter. OMG - I want to be a Jet Fighter and Pilot. Seriously I will save all SP and ISK now until they are leased and go 100% into them.

You are going to be saving up your SP and ISK for a very... very... long time.

I would suggest putting your SP and ISK into something else for the next year until they are even mentioned on a possible patch, which again, will probably be Summer 2014 at the earliest.

Trust me, CCP takes a snail's pace at making things incorrectly, even if no one but sloths have the patience for them.

Just a reminder that the thread in question was created May 2nd.

Are the maps big enough to have multiple dogfights? they gotta have to extend aerial redline like bf3

This was my original reason for even downloading DUST 514 in the first place...

I will laugh when 90% of the people who skill into them can't fly and go bankrput within a week. Especially the non-pilots who don't have vehicle skills up. I will skill into the Gallente ones because I like Gallente, but I won't use them much. I might do a rental service for them however.....

I'm going to laugh too, because I'm going to be the one farming all those incompetent assholes the moment I get in the air.

The idiots won't even have good fits lol. They will just throw something together and call it a jet.I already have fits planned for certain setups that might happen, which will smash people. you think murder taxi was bad? wait until you see this.

While fighters are cool, and I love their design, what exactly would they be used for?

Dropships are by no means a strong enough threat to need a new ship type to be their counter.
Many Ambush maps are too small to do much complex high speed maneuvering.
Bombers are generally more useful for anti-personel / AV, while fighters ensure aerial superiority,
and fighters would be largely useless without some bombing craft to counter.

I would say the problems largely revolve around the concept that adding fighters would be like adding Rock to a game that
lacked scissors.

While fighters are cool, and I love their design, what exactly would they be used for?

Dropships are by no means a strong enough threat to need a new ship type to be their counter.
Many Ambush maps are too small to do much complex high speed maneuvering.
Bombers are generally more useful for anti-personel / AV, while fighters ensure aerial superiority,
and fighters would be largely useless without some bombing craft to counter.

I would say the problems largely revolve around the concept that adding fighters would be like adding Rock to a game that
lacked scissors.

They can't seriously release Fighters without bringing in Bomber Aircraft. I'm just hoping "Fighters" doesn't translate to "glorified Dropship".

just remove red line for jet

the redline already extends for aerial vehicles.

before you guys start praising fighters look at dropship...

1. collusion damage is redicuiouly high, even when your going at 1 km/h.
2. is flying coffin
3. is slow
4. is hard to control
5. is expensive both sp and isk wise

honestly you think a new aircraft is a good idea when the current and only one is in such bad shape. And besides a fighter will have less hp then a dropship and i bet that a well placed swarm or a decent forge will TKO you al faster then dropships... thats why AV is staying quiet about new vehicles. They want as much (that thing that is filled with candy andyou hit with a stick) as possible.

I saw the caldari Fighter. OMG - I want to be a Jet Fighter and Pilot. Seriously I will save all SP and ISK now until they are leased and go 100% into them.

You know what took out the Red Barren? Anyway that is off topic..

You are also talking about one of the earliest fighter aircraft in RL history. I highly doubt you want Dust Fighters to be vulnerable to sporadic and lucky infantry rifle/machine gun fire (again in regards not to HP, but speed, maneuverability, and altitude).

Honestly my take on Iron Wolf Sabers post from the other thread makes me feel like Fighters will be closer to Gun Ships/Glorified Dropships. I have no idea what kind of solid info he actually has, but his post gave me a mental picture of a Fighter I would want nothing to do with. The Red Barron analogy would fit for the vision Wolf painted.

I want to know how the collision model will work.

If they make it so that it ignores damage to the aircraft like Battlefield, we're going to have a LOT of snipers tears as they get clipped off of mountains and towers by after-burning Fighters.

We are just looking at concept drawing and having fun. Relax... There is a good chance the new dropship is the "jet fighter".

But you never know. The other post also had concept drawing of all the suits, I did not see pilot suit, unless it is a scout variant.

Anyway,

A proper Fighter should have no business being low enough to the ground to be taken out by Swarms or Forges (if you wanna hug the ground go for it, but that type of maneuver should be extremely difficult and risky). Save for the most ridiculously lucky of shots Swarms and Forges should never take out Fighters, not due to HP, but due to speed, altitude, and maneuverability. Collision damage shouldn't be a concern, because you shouldn't be hitting anything. What happens if you bump into a radio tower with an F-16? The "collision damage" will probably be pretty intense.

Fighters should be the fastest thing on the battlefield. They shouldn't be easy to fly without dedicating yourself to the role to avoid Fighter spamming (and i'm talking about practice and experience, not so much SP allocation). Fighters should be WORTHLESS against ground troops, again, save for the most luckiest of shots. Fighters should be exclusively for attacking other Fighters and any sort of Attack Bombers that would be needed to justify the existence of Fighters, and taking out a Dropship should be tricky proposition due to speed differences. And of course there is no reason Fighter pricing should be any different than current vehicles in general.

New aircraft are not a good idea at the moment, which is why they are a distant idea at this point, not so much a plan. Honestly my dream version of the Fighter would have a gun only, no lock on missiles. Make it NOT pinpoint accurate, as shooting at a vehicle requires less precision accuracy, and this would help to keep the Fighter from turning into an infantry killer.

I've said most of this before in Mobius' post from a few days ago-

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110827&find=unread

Athena, this is probably as close as you are going to get to a DEV commenting on this topic. Iron Wolf Saber makes a comment or 2 in the thread, but none of it is solid information of any kind.

EDIT: Please take note of the shoulds and shouldn'ts in my post. They are not wills and won'ts because I am not claiming to have any knowledge of any of this, just posting what I think would work best.

I agree with another poster that fighters probably wont happen until sometime in the spring of 2014 at the earliest. My guess is they will be introduced when/if DUST ports over to the PS4. I carry a 4mil SP buffer for when they finally do come out. We shall see.