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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:48:00 -
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Avallo Kantor wrote:While fighters are cool, and I love their design, what exactly would they be used for?
Dropships are by no means a strong enough threat to need a new ship type to be their counter.
Many Ambush maps are too small to do much complex high speed maneuvering.
Bombers are generally more useful for anti-personel / AV, while fighters ensure aerial superiority,
and fighters would be largely useless without some bombing craft to counter.
I would say the problems largely revolve around the concept that adding fighters would be like adding Rock to a game that
lacked scissors.
They can't seriously release Fighters without bringing in Bomber Aircraft. I'm just hoping "Fighters" doesn't translate to "glorified Dropship". |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:21:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:before you guys start praising fighters look at dropship...
1. collusion damage is redicuiouly high, even when your going at 1 km/h.
2. is flying coffin
3. is slow
4. is hard to control
5. is expensive both sp and isk wise
honestly you think a new aircraft is a good idea when the current and only one is in such bad shape. And besides a fighter will have less hp then a dropship and i bet that a well placed swarm or a decent forge will TKO you al faster then dropships... thats why AV is staying quiet about new vehicles. They want as much (that thing that is filled with candy andyou hit with a stick) as possible.
A proper Fighter should have no business being low enough to the ground to be taken out by Swarms or Forges (if you wanna hug the ground go for it, but that type of maneuver should be extremely difficult and risky). Save for the most ridiculously lucky of shots Swarms and Forges should never take out Fighters, not due to HP, but due to speed, altitude, and maneuverability. Collision damage, shouldn't be a concern, because you shouldn't be hitting anything. What happens if you bump into a radio tower with an F-16? The "collision damage" will probably be pretty intense.
Fighters should be the fastest thing on the battlefield. They should not be easy to fly without dedicating yourself to the role to avoid Fighter spamming (and i'm talking about practice and experience, not so much SP allocation). Fighters should be WORTHLESS against ground troops, again, save for the most luckiest of shots. Fighters should be exclusively for attacking other Fighters and any sort of Attack Bombers that would be needed to justify the existence of Fighters, and taking out a Dropship should be tricky proposition due to speed differences. And of course there is no reason Fighter pricing should be any different than current vehicles in general.
New aircraft are not a good idea at the moment, which is why they are a distant idea at this point, not so much a plan. Honestly my dream version of the Fighter would honestly have a gun only, no lock on missiles. Make it NOT pinpoint accurate, as shooting at a vehicle requires less precision accuracy, and this would help to keep the Fighter from turning into an infantry killer.
I've said most of this before in Mobius' post from a few days ago-
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110827&find=unread
Athena, this is probably as close as you are going to get to a DEV commenting on this topic. Iron Wolf Saber makes a comment or 2 in the thread, but none of it is solid information of any kind. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 19:41:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:You know what took out the Red Barren? Anyway that is off topic..
You are also talking about one of the earliest fighter aircraft in RL history. I highly doubt you want Dust Fighters to be vulnerable to sporadic and lucky infantry rifle/machine gun fire (again in regards not to HP, but speed, maneuverability, and altitude).
Honestly my take on Iron Wolf Sabers post from the other thread makes me feel like Fighters will be closer to Gun Ships/Glorified Dropships. I have no idea what kind of solid info he actually has, but his post gave me a mental picture of a Fighter I would want nothing to do with. The Red Barron analogy would fit for the vision Wolf painted. |