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KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 453	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:43:00 - [1] - Quote What is your progress on achieving this task set out in mid march by CCP Dolan? I think it would be an awesome idea, but it seems like everyone has forgot about it. I am sure that there are many great candidates that the community has in mind in order to better represent the player base of Dust 514.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1746	Posted - 2013.09.20 21:34:00 - [2] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: What is your progress on achieving this task set out in mid march by CCP Dolan? I think it would be an awesome idea, but it seems like everyone has forgot about it. I am sure that there are many great candidates that the community has in mind in order to better represent the player base of Dust 514. CPM = War Counsel. At last check, an elected CPM wouldn't happen until next year.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1486	Posted - 2013.09.20 22:31:00 - [3] - Quote It's all up to CCP - the CPM has no decision on how/when/if elections take place. In the latest CPM activity update though, Hans did mention something vague about a CPM charter being drawn up at the moment that will set out a lot more specifically what's going on. We'll just have to wait for that...
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 466	Posted - 2013.09.21 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote Django Quik wrote: It's all up to CCP - the CPM has no decision on how/when/if elections take place. In the latest CPM activity update though, Hans did mention something vague about a CPM charter being drawn up at the moment that will set out a lot more specifically what's going on. We'll just have to wait for that... Wait a second... CCP Dolan explicitly said this "This appointed council will work closely with us in establishing a voting system, working with teams regarding upcoming features, and generally serving a similar role to the EVE Online CSM." So I assume they are working closely with CCP to get a democratic system rolling, right? I tend to see CPM activity at an all time low considering only IWS and Nova Knife seem to be actively participating on the forums. Some other members seem to have disappeared, which is why it is should be time for the players to choose who the CPM is that will represent them.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 1166	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote Hans went onvacation to another country. He's back now. I was talking to Kain about this just the other night. (9/18) Really it's just Jenza that's gone. Kain plays the game more than i previously thought.
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 466	Posted - 2013.09.21 03:45:00 - [6] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Hans went onvacation to another country. He's back now. I was talking to Kain about this just the other night. (9/18) Really it's just Jenza that's gone. Kain plays the game more than i previously thought. That's nice to hear, but it is time we transition to a player elected CPM. Perhaps current members of the CPM will hold their positions or they may not. Lets let the players decide.
Matobar Warrior Nation WNx Warrior Nation Consortium 203	Posted - 2013.09.21 07:29:00 - [7] - Quote Not sure what democracy has to do with having a good CPM, but that's neither here nor there. There's no voting system in place, nor is it high on CCP's priority list, with all the other things they're working on for DUST. Saying "we need to do it now" is like saying "we need to fly now" and flapping your arms. It's useless and makes you look stupid.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1489	Posted - 2013.09.21 08:46:00 - [8] - Quote I highly suggest you read through the CPM Activity Report sticky in this section for all the reasons that an elected CPM is utterly pointless right now. Basically, they need to get the CPM properly set up and a functional relationship with CCP before throwing any elected sheep to the wolves.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8764	Posted - 2013.09.23 20:08:00 - [9] - Quote Were still drafting the white paper and charter. Charter is a temporary outline having CPM functions clearer than before.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 376	Posted - 2013.09.24 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote You can't just steal it from the CSM?

Kain Spero TeamPlayers EoN. 2044	Posted - 2013.09.24 17:04:00 - [11] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: You can't just steal it from the CSM? Dust has enough unique aspects to it from development to account creation that a unique charter and white paper are needed.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8838	Posted - 2013.09.24 20:46:00 - [12] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: You can't just steal it from the CSM? It's inspired at least.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1716	Posted - 2013.09.25 04:30:00 - [13] - Quote Last time I pushed this - important - issue, I was told that an unelected oligarchy was just as good as a representative, elected body for, well, representing the players. Mind you, it was the unelected CPM themselves that seem to hold this opinion. It seems to me, and I can't be the only one, that transitioning to an elected body should be the most important function of CPM0.
Matobar Warrior Nation WNx Warrior Nation Consortium 203	Posted - 2013.09.25 04:46:00 - [14] - Quote Matobar wrote: Not sure what democracy has to do with having a good CPM, but that's neither here nor there. There's no voting system in place, nor is it high on CCP's priority list, with all the other things they're working on for DUST. Saying "we need to do it now" is like saying "we need to fly now" and flapping your arms. It's useless and makes you look stupid. These words apply to you as well. Not sure why an "elected" CPM would inherently be better than the one we have now. They're transparent (outside of NDAs), they work really hard, and in IWS' case, they're vocal about their approval and disapproval of CCP. As far as I'm concerned, for the proto CPM, we got the best men for the job. You call them an oligarchy. What does that mean exactly? An oligarchy implies leadership. The CPM doesn't lead or run anything, except for perhaps itself (and even that is up to CCP Dolan...) The CPM has worked hard to make CCP Shanghai understand and adapt to the players' needs. You only need to look at their stickies to see this. These issues are more important than an election, which we're not even sure is feasible. The work CPM0 is doing is laying the groundwork for the future, actual CPMs that are elected. An election won't help DUST. Needless transition won't help DUST. IWS will help DUST. Jagerblitzen will help DUST. Kain and Jenza and Nova will help DUST.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1527	Posted - 2013.09.25 19:54:00 - [15] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Last time I pushed this - important - issue, I was told that an unelected oligarchy was just as good as a representative, elected body for, well, representing the players. Mind you, it was the unelected CPM themselves that seem to hold this opinion. It seems to me, and I can't be the only one, that transitioning to an elected body should be the most important function of CPM0. lol this again? You memory is clearly foggy, so allow me to remind you: there were scores of players who supported the current CPM's mission and direction and a handful that took your view of elections ASAP. Do we really need to bring that whole argument back so we can all show you how little support you still have?
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 500	Posted - 2013.09.25 23:39:00 - [16] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Last time I pushed this - important - issue, I was told that an unelected oligarchy was just as good as a representative, elected body for, well, representing the players. Mind you, it was the unelected CPM themselves that seem to hold this opinion. It seems to me, and I can't be the only one, that transitioning to an elected body should be the most important function of CPM0. lol this again? You memory is clearly foggy, so allow me to remind you: there were scores of players who supported the current CPM's mission and direction and a handful that took your view of elections ASAP. Do we really need to bring that whole argument back so we can all show you how little support you still have? What is right and what is popular may be different things. Kain would have my vote to stay, but others may not. If the CPM0 does their indivual jobs well enough, they stay by the voting system. It seems as though there is something holding this up. If you are worried about people rigging the votes, then charge each voter 5 million isk. Not too much, but not enough for a dumb account to accrue. Or base it off SP. More than 5 million gets to vote.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1724	Posted - 2013.09.26 04:52:00 - [17] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Last time I pushed this - important - issue, I was told that an unelected oligarchy was just as good as a representative, elected body for, well, representing the players. Mind you, it was the unelected CPM themselves that seem to hold this opinion. It seems to me, and I can't be the only one, that transitioning to an elected body should be the most important function of CPM0. lol this again? You memory is clearly foggy, so allow me to remind you: there were scores of players who supported the current CPM's mission and direction and a handful that took your view of elections ASAP. Do we really need to bring that whole argument back so we can all show you how little support you still have? I didn't say that most of the idiots on these forums agree with me. Only that some must. As I said back then, I'm used to being in the minority. That doesn't make my opinion any less worthy. An unelected CPM0, IMHO, should have just one function. Just one. that function should be to transition to an elected body as soon as possible. All other functions of the CPM could be dealt with at least as effectively using an elected body as this one.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1538	Posted - 2013.09.26 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote Did anyone elect the founding fathers of the USA? No. You know why? Because they had to found something for people to be elected to first. CPM0 are Dust's CPM Founding Fathers - let them get on with the whole founding the CPM role and then we'll actually have something to elect people to. Right now, there is next to nothing to be elected to. That is why this discussion of elections is pointless at this time. Even more so before we see whatever is said in this CPM charter that is supposed to be coming out shortly.
Matobar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 203	Posted - 2013.09.27 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote Still haven't seen an explanation of why having an elected CPM1 is better than having an unelected CPM0.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 864	Posted - 2013.10.03 02:11:00 - [20] - Quote Matobar wrote: Still haven't seen an explanation of why having an elected CPM1 is better than having an unelected CPM0. Because there is no explanation. The unelected CPM0 is doing its job, and they chose the best candidates available at the time from community-focused individuals. Many, many people were interviewed for positions, and CCP did a pretty good job of selecting the people now involved. A player elected body may represent the mob's views better, but the ideals would be the same. The Core of DUST being what it is, the CPM0 needs to do both jobs, getting the charter ready for the CPM1 and helping CCP to develop this game in the correct way. The CPM0 should be celebrated for the fact that they have 2 massive roles to fill, and though the whitepapers and such may be refined, in later incarnations, future CPM members will not have the headache of laying down the foundations for both the CPM and Game.



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