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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:

Class specific bonuses!

Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level
Logistics - +3% equipment efficacy per level (uplink spawns, nanohive clusters, repair tool HP/s, injector HP amount)
Sentinel - +3% Shield / Armor (based on race) resistance per level when deployed*
Commando - 3% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level (give them more slots, for the love of God)
Pilot - +2% Vehicle Module efficacy per level
Scout - +2% walk / sprint speed per level

Couple them with racial bonuses!

Gallente - +3% Armor Repairer efficiency per level
Caldari - +3% Shield Extender efficiency per level
Amarr - +2% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level
Minmatar - +3% Shield Regulator efficiency per level

And tack on some suit weight bonuses!

Light - -5% suit profile per level (benefits Scouts more, but how often will you use a pilot suit outside of a vehicle?)
Medium - +2% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm)
Heavy - +2% Armor & Shield per level

*Deployed mode? What the flying ****nipples are you talking about?

Glad you asked, and what a lovely bulge you have! Heavies, by their description, are meant for point defense. Adding a resistance bonus when "deployed" will encourage them to be used defensively, rather than as a slow-as-**** Assault.

Basically, after being crouched for five seconds, the Heavy insert lore fluff, increasing its resistance to all forms of hostile fire (ALL forms - grenades, handheld weapons, vehicle turrets. If it does damage, the suit reduces it). Not completely immobile, but slowed to the point that it isn't very useful out in the open, while at the same time keeping hordes of swan-diving Heavies out of the game. I made it 3% to counter the Assaults 2% damage bonus, so it still does help, but not as much as against the other classes.

Change the skill tree!

. ..................................-> Light -> Scout
. .................................|..............->Pilot
...................................|
Gallente Technology -|-> Medium -> Logistics
..................................|................... -> Assault
. ................................|
..................................| -> Heavy -> Sentinel
....................................................-> Commando

Amarr Sentinel? All level five skills? Enjoy your 15% deployed resistance, 10% buffed plates and extenders, and that 10% base shield & armor!

Minmatar Scout? All fives? Have fun with your 10% movement speed, 15% faster shield regulators, and your 25% reduced profile!

Gallente Assault with all fives? Mow everyone down with your 10% damage bonus, 15% better armor repairers, and 10% reload speed!

Caldari Logi? Die in a fire.

Can I be a dev now?

Please do not move to feedback / suggestions. Threads go there to die slow, painful deaths, and I'd like to have this seen by people.

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TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3611	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:07:00 - [1] - Quote Class specific bonuses! Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +3% equipment efficacy per level (uplink spawns, nanohive clusters, repair tool HP/s, injector HP amount) Sentinel - +3% Shield / Armor (based on race) resistance per level when deployed* Commando - 3% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level (give them more slots, for the love of God) Pilot - +2% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +2% walk / sprint speed per level Couple them with racial bonuses! Gallente - +3% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +3% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +2% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +3% Shield Regulator efficiency per level And tack on some suit weight bonuses! Light - -3% suit profile per level (benefits Scouts more, but how often will you use a pilot suit outside of a vehicle?) Medium - +2% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +2% Armor & Shield per level Deployed mode? What the flying *nipples are you talking about? Glad you asked, and what a lovely bulge you have! Heavies, by their description, are meant for point defense. Adding a resistance bonus when "deployed" will encourage them to be used defensively, rather than as a slow-as-** Assault. Basically, after being crouched for five seconds, the Heavy insert lore fluff, increasing its resistance to all forms of hostile fire (ALL forms - grenades, handheld weapons, vehicle turrets. If it does damage, the suit reduces it). Not completely immobile, but slowed to the point that it isn't very useful out in the open, while at the same time keeping hordes of swan-diving Heavies out of the game. I made it 3% to counter the Assaults 2% damage bonus, so it still does help, but not as much as against the other classes. Change the skill tree! -> Light -> Scout \| ->Pilot \| Gallente Technology -\|-> Medium -> Logistics \| -> Assault \| -> Heavy -> Sentinel -> Commando Amarr Sentinel? All level five skills? Enjoy your 15% deployed resistance, 10% buffed plates and extenders, and that 10% base shield & armor! Minmatar Scout? All fives? Have fun with your 10% movement speed, 15% faster shield regulators, and your 15% reduced profile! Caldari Logi? Die in a fire. Can I be a dev now?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3360	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote Bonuses that are actually decent? No, you can't be a dev.
TREY Trey THE DOLLARS 38	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:16:00 - [3] - Quote Why are these horrible ideas?
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1910	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote You nerfed scout profiles. Now how are we supposed to avoid active scanners!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3613	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:20:00 - [5] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: You nerfed scout profiles. Now how are we supposed to avoid active scanners! True. Editing OP because scouts don't need nerfs.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 226	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Basically, after being crouched for five seconds, the Heavy insert lore fluff, increasing its resistance to all forms of hostile fire (ALL forms - grenades, handheld weapons, vehicle turrets. If it does damage, the suit reduces it). Not completely immobile, but slowed to the point that it isn't very useful out in the open, while at the same time keeping hordes of swan-diving Heavies out of the game. I made it 3% to counter the Assaults 2% damage bonus, so it still does help, but not as much as against the other classes. Like Siege mode for capitals in EvE
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1742	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote TREY Trey wrote: Why are these horrible ideas? They aren't.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1910	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:26:00 - [8] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You nerfed scout profiles. Now how are we supposed to avoid active scanners! True. Editing OP because scouts don't need nerfs. Thank You, you were this close to becoming a Dev too with that silly stealth nerf...LOL how I kid. Also by armor repairer efficiency, do you mean it shrinks in CPU/PG useage (thus making it more efficient) or does it add HP repped per second (thus making it more efficient)
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3613	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:26:00 - [9] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: TREY Trey wrote: Why are these horrible ideas? They aren't. I think he was referring to the thread title, which is what it is because I was expecting to be roasted alive with the flames.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3613	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:27:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You nerfed scout profiles. Now how are we supposed to avoid active scanners! True. Editing OP because scouts don't need nerfs. Thank You, you were this close to becoming a Dev too with that silly stealth nerf...LOL how I kid. Also by armor repairer efficiency, do you mean it shrinks in CPU/PG useage (thus making it more efficient) or does it add HP repped per second (thus making it more efficient) More HP per second, so when maxed an ADV repper could just about replace a PRO one.

Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 226	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Also by armor repairer efficiency, do you mean it shrinks in CPU/PG useage (thus making it more efficient) or does it add HP repped per second (thus making it more efficient) Think he mean efficacy != efficiency
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1866	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote I think the specific Racial Amarr and Gallente bonuses are good and don't need to be changed. The overall assault bonuses might be a little OP tbh. Switch that with maybe even another specific racial bonus. I think it's silly for all certain types of suits to have the same bonus throughout New Eden.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3615	Posted - 2013.09.19 22:44:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I think the specific Racial Amarr and Gallente bonuses are good and don't need to be changed. The overall assault bonuses might be a little OP tbh. Switch that with maybe even another specific racial bonus. I think it's silly for all certain types of suits to have the same bonus throughout New Eden. I came up with the bonuses to encourage people to play to the strengths that the class name implies. Assaults should be able to quickly down a target with a built-in complex damage mod, and I also realize that people would want to stack more damage mods on top of that, creating a glass cannon. This is actually exactly what I was aiming for, the assault suit to be able to overwhelm a position with superior firepower (which would be held down much better by deployed Heavies, who can counter the Assault bonus and then some).
Blaze Ashra Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.09.19 23:41:00 - [14] - Quote It all sounds wonderful,
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3628	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:16:00 - [15] - Quote Would be cool to see a dev tag on this one. ... provided it isn't a troll post :v
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 643	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:22:00 - [16] - Quote Respecs would be pretty important.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:27:00 - [17] - Quote I'd still love to see the current Logi bonus (1 HP/sec repair) applied to the Assault builds instead. Another light damage bonus (in addition to the two or three complex mods that some people use) would be overkill. Max proficiency (15%) plus three mods (roughly 27%) plus an additional 10% suit bonus? SRs/SLs would be quite fun...but that kind of defeats the intent of an assault build. For the sake of honesty, I'm one of those currently using an assault build with proto SR/SL with two complex damage mods on each:)
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 690	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:29:00 - [18] - Quote Scouts already have 5% profile dampening per level an I don't think I've ever used a regulator , so that's kinda wack unless it's passive an ontop of what we already have, but like hell should assaults get 10% damage ontop of the proficiency weapon damage plus mods, DUDE U CRAZY!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 312	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote the minnimatar race bonus is the only problem. maybe make it stamina releated or hacking.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 690	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:38:00 - [20] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: the minnimatar race bonus is the only problem. maybe make it stamina releated or hacking. Speed or stamina would be way better, like how many heavies use regulators, same with min assaults or scouts with two lows, minmatar as a whole seem faster anyway

Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:46:00 - [21] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Caldari Logi? Die in a fire. I lol'ed. Anyways, how about also having each racial class getting another bonus? For example, a gal logi would have A Gallente racial bonus A Medium suit bonus A Logistics bonus And a Gallente Logistics bonus This would allow another level of encouragement to play a certain suit as intended. With your current setup, the only difference between a Cal Logi and a Gal Logi is that the Cal would get a little more shield and the Gal would get a little more armor repair. While these traits are representative of their race, it doesn't differentiate them from each other enough in my opinion. Another example is the Cal scout and the Gal scout. Gal scouts specialize in CQC hunting whereas Cal scouts (are theorized) to specialize in E-War. Your bonuses would render them essentially the same (since scouts are going to get a lot less mileage out of the racial bonuses [though the bonuses are very well chosen]) For assaults, this could be bonus to their racial weaponry to keep with the killing machines approach. Not sure about the others. Edit: also, it would probably be better if the light suit bonus and the scout bonus were switched. Pilots probably would like to be a bit faster when they need to get away from the burning wreckage that was their vehicle.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1651	Posted - 2013.09.20 00:50:00 - [22] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Class specific bonuses! Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +3% equipment efficacy per level (uplink spawns, nanohive clusters, repair tool HP/s, injector HP amount) Sentinel - +3% Shield / Armor (based on race) resistance per level when deployed* Commando - 3% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level (give them more slots, for the love of God) Pilot - +2% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +2% walk / sprint speed per level Couple them with racial bonuses! Gallente - +3% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +3% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +2% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +3% Shield Regulator efficiency per level And tack on some suit weight bonuses! Light - -5% suit profile per level (benefits Scouts more, but how often will you use a pilot suit outside of a vehicle?) Medium - +2% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +2% Armor & Shield per level your numbers are higher then they should be in some areas and lower in others. here is what i think is closer to what they should be if it was made that way. Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +5% equipment efficacy per level Sentinel - +1% Shield / Armor Commando - 2% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level Pilot - +5% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +3% walk / sprint speed per level Gallente - +2% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +2% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +1% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +10% Shield Regulator efficiency per level Light - -1% suit profile per level Medium - +3% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +5% Armor & Shield per level
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3639	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:16:00 - [23] - Quote CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION! Gonna reply to some of ya without quotes because I'm feeling a bit lazy. @ Everything Dies That was my goal with the Assaults - Make them a glass cannon that's great for quickly forcing people out of a position. The Sentinel bonus coupled with the Heavy bonus negates the Assaults bonus when deployed (and then a bit extra), making them a good counter when used for point defense. I want to see assaults mow people down, but also die fairly quickly if they decide to not play it safe. As for the current logi bonus... I do like the innate armor rep, and I think it lends itself well to the Logi. There could be two class suit bonuses, one frame size bonus, and a racial bonus. @ Xender17 As much as I hate discussing respecs, a change like this would indeed require a respec. I won't actively advocate for one though, just know that if this were implemented, I'd feel that a respec was perfectly warranted. @ OZAROW The Scouts dampening bonus, I feel, is perfect for the intended usage of the scout (sneaky shotgun blast to the back of the skull). I picked the Regulator bonus because I see Minmatar as the race that would try to get every speed advantage possible. Pop out of a corner, blapblapblapblap, then quickly recover to move on to the next target. I've personally used them to pretty great effect on my Minmatar logi. The Assault bonus is there to be countered by the Heavy bonus (able to take down other assaults / logi's / light frames with ease, get owned by a deployed Heavy), both of which I will add racial secondary bonuses to in a bit. @ Krom Ganesh Great observation and idea. I'll add some racial class bonuses to the OP when I get a chance. @ ladwar I think the proposed Sentinel suit you laid out wouldn't benefit the point defense specialist area enough. I still think that a 3% resistance bonus per level after being crouched for 5 seconds would put the Sentinel in a great position to hold down objectives and pathways. I do like the changes to the class suits too. The Amarr bonus seems pretty underwhelming. That would equate to 4 HP on a basic plate, which wouldn't do much of anything. The other ones look great. The Medium reload speed seems good, but we don't need to nerf the light frames any more than they already are.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1542	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:24:00 - [24] - Quote I don't agree with the bonuses given, but they sure as hell make more sense than what we have. The one that really tickles me is the Commando bonus: "Let's have a suit with a bonus to module use." "Now let's give it the lowest module capacity in the game." "Trollolol la la la."
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3644	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:25:00 - [25] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I don't agree with the bonuses given, but they sure as hell make more sense than what we have. The one that really tickles me is the Commando bonus: "Let's have a suit with a bonus to module use." "Now let's give it the lowest module capacity in the game." "Trollolol la la la." "Let's make this suit a beastly armor tanker" "Now let's give it a feedback damage bonus for a weapon he'd never use" "HUEHUEHUEHUE"
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1205	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:27:00 - [26] - Quote F**king Genius...
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1206	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:48:00 - [27] - Quote ladwar wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Class specific bonuses! Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +3% equipment efficacy per level (uplink spawns, nanohive clusters, repair tool HP/s, injector HP amount) Sentinel - +3% Shield / Armor (based on race) resistance per level when deployed* Commando - 3% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level (give them more slots, for the love of God) Pilot - +2% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +2% walk / sprint speed per level Couple them with racial bonuses! Gallente - +3% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +3% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +2% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +3% Shield Regulator efficiency per level And tack on some suit weight bonuses! Light - -5% suit profile per level (benefits Scouts more, but how often will you use a pilot suit outside of a vehicle?) Medium - +2% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +2% Armor & Shield per level your numbers are higher then they should be in some areas and lower in others. here is what i think is closer to what they should be if it was made that way. Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +5% equipment efficacy per level Sentinel - +1% Shield / Armor Commando - 2% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level Pilot - +5% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +3% walk / sprint speed per level Gallente - +2% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +2% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +1% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +10% Shield Regulator efficiency per level Light - -1% suit profile per level Medium - +3% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +5% Armor & Shield per level I like Pig's Assault,Sentinel,Commando,Caldari,Gallente,Amarr light and medium Bonuses and ladwar's Logi,Pilot,Scout,Minmatar,and Heavy Bounuses
DootDoot Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2013.09.20 01:55:00 - [28] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Class specific bonuses! Assault - +2% Light Weapon damage per level Logistics - +3% equipment efficacy per level (uplink spawns, nanohive clusters, repair tool HP/s, injector HP amount) Sentinel - +3% Shield / Armor (based on race) resistance per level when deployed* Commando - 3% reduction in CPU / PG usage of Light Weapons per level (give them more slots, for the love of God) Pilot - +2% Vehicle Module efficacy per level Scout - +2% walk / sprint speed per level Couple them with racial bonuses! Gallente - +3% Armor Repairer efficiency per level Caldari - +3% Shield Extender efficiency per level Amarr - +2% Shield / Armor Extender efficiency per level Minmatar - +3% Shield Regulator efficiency per level And tack on some suit weight bonuses! Light - -5% suit profile per level (benefits Scouts more, but how often will you use a pilot suit outside of a vehicle?) Medium - +2% weapon reload speed per level (both light and sidearm) Heavy - +2% Armor & Shield per level Deployed mode? What the flying *nipples are you talking about? Glad you asked, and what a lovely bulge you have! Heavies, by their description, are meant for point defense. Adding a resistance bonus when "deployed" will encourage them to be used defensively, rather than as a slow-as-** Assault. Basically, after being crouched for five seconds, the Heavy insert lore fluff, increasing its resistance to all forms of hostile fire (ALL forms - grenades, handheld weapons, vehicle turrets. If it does damage, the suit reduces it). Not completely immobile, but slowed to the point that it isn't very useful out in the open, while at the same time keeping hordes of swan-diving Heavies out of the game. I made it 3% to counter the Assaults 2% damage bonus, so it still does help, but not as much as against the other classes. Change the skill tree! . ..................................-> Light -> Scout . .................................\|..............->Pilot ...................................\| Gallente Technology -\|-> Medium -> Logistics ..................................\|................... -> Assault . ................................\| ..................................\| -> Heavy -> Sentinel ....................................................-> Commando Amarr Sentinel? All level five skills? Enjoy your 15% deployed resistance, 10% buffed plates and extenders, and that 10% base shield & armor! Minmatar Scout? All fives? Have fun with your 10% movement speed, 15% faster shield regulators, and your 25% reduced profile! Gallente Assault with all fives? Mow everyone down with your 10% damage bonus, 15% better armor repairers, and 10% reload speed! Caldari Logi? Die in a fire. Can I be a dev now? Please do not move to feedback / suggestions. Threads go there to die slow, painful deaths, and I'd like to have this seen by people. Get out of here with your logic and sense making... this is a place for trolls! http://play.esea.net/global/media_preview.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-EswOtPXwoDQ%2FUDPfRw9v2NI%2FAAAAAAAAAGo%2FYQrDTJXN3A4%2Fs1600%2FTROLLS-TROLLS-EVERYWHERE.jpg
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 690	Posted - 2013.09.20 02:06:00 - [29] - Quote The scout already has the profile dampening per level, an as a logi the mini would benifit but not the scout an heavy an assault unless it worked as 25% passive just because scout, an assault only have 2 low slots which means they would need the mod equipped ? But if the regulation was applied without a mod that would be nice an also worth skilling into shield regs and using them so a two slot suit would basically have 3 regs at 75% which is dope
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 761	Posted - 2013.09.20 02:09:00 - [30] - Quote Infantry don't need a resistance really. Rather, raw eHP would work better, and other than Amarr, it should be tank specific.



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