So it's ok 2 nerf al the other guns/stuff but the AR?

This is just a pathetic try to justify that the AR with the AA as it is now is OP .

I have a suggestion wy don't we undo al the guns nerf that was done BEFORE AA came into play.

So it's ok 2 nerf al the other guns/stuff but the AR?

This is just a pathetic try to justify that the AR with the AA as it is now is OP .

I have a suggestion wy don't we undo al the guns nerf that was done BEFORE AA came into play.

TL;DR = They work.

and always will

Only few people was using the AR before the Aim-assist, just look back.. you won't see many AR QQing threads. Most of the QQing was about the MD, but curiously ... no one is QQing about the MD anymore ? You have to be blind or stupid to don't see that the AA is the real problem, or both.

So it's ok 2 nerf al the other guns/stuff but the AR?

This is just a pathetic try to justify that the AR with the AA as it is now is OP .

I have a suggestion wy don't we undo al the guns nerf that was done BEFORE AA came into play.

Only few people was using the AR before the Aim-assist, just look back.. you won't see many AR QQing threads. Most of the QQing was about the MD, but curiously ... no one is QQing about the MD anymore ? You have to be blind or stupid to don't see that the AA is the real problem, or both.

Or you know it might be hit detection, since MD hit detection was fixed the same time flaylock was released, yet the ar struggled with hit detection all the way to .4

But humour me this, why did no one complain when hit detection for the ar was broke, was it prehaps the weapon was a closer semblance to balance back then? When yoj could peek round a corner with out getting 50 ar rounds in your face, you could actually run across 20m of terrain before being butchered?!

Im not saying the old ar was perfect, it prehaps could have done with a little more power BACK THEN however now its too powerful, and so is the scrambler (a little less so, but still too much), the sweetmspot exsists somewhere between the 30% dps from .3 and 90% dps of .4, I would say between 75-85% of its current power would be perfect.

But then you need to buff the shotgun, sniper up a little!!

The MD works perfectly fine.. the same as before 1.4, and the only improvement with the hit detection is the Aim-assist.

More hit detection fixes

ive been here since closed beta and the reign of missle dropships.


AR QQ threads have exsisted since the begining.


AA is turned off right now... so dont even bring that up here.


and yes most people used the AR before aim assist

this isnt a balance discussion folks...

Only few people was using the AR before the Aim-assist, just look back.. you won't see many AR QQing threads. Most of the QQing was about the MD, but curiously ... no one is QQing about the MD anymore ? You have to be blind or stupid to don't see that the AA is the real problem, or both.

No its a defend the ar thread, which doesn't need defending it needs balancing!!

the answer is stability and reliability


Beucase of how long it takes to fully skill into a weapon and how oftin weapons go back and fourth in usefullness the AR has been the safe weapon to pick and run since the game began.

almost everyone has skilled into the AR.

investing SP at this point is a gamble, you never know if what your skilling into will still be viable by the time youve invested months to max it out.


and this results in people staying on the safe side of things sticking to the AR in order to have the security of knowing their playstyle will never have to change.


not only that but every player reguardless of race starts with the AR, so they naturally stick to it since its what they first get used to.



its not that the AR is OP its that its the only safe weapon to spec into, the one that wont change and will always be viable.

that combined with its jack of all trades nature is whats creating the AR prevalance we have now.


Stop the AR- VS - Specialist weapons war guys.

its just the natural result of how the game is presented to new players, and the result of the rapid changes the game keeps going under.

*facepalm*

do you jsut assume any thread without the word nerf in it is defending something?

if you read it, you may notice that the thread is pointing out a problem with the way skills and balancing efforts make the AR a popular choice.

its not that the AR is OP-á

aim assist is still on, it hasn't been changed since 1.4 came out.

That sounds like your defending it to me!!
People are annoyed with the power of AR, you tell us its fine, thats defending it in my books!

Wrong. Aim Assist has been hotfixed and dramatically tuned down.

*facepalm*

again

the issue isnt weather its OP or not...

the issue is that because of the massive changes back and fourth in weapons the AR is the only option if you want any build stability and want a SAFE invetment for your skillpoints. and a build that will be viable no matter what match/map/ or suit you use.

this thread isnt defending the AR its attacking it from another direction.


if you cant identify a thread that pointsing out PROBLEMS with the AR development and instead cry "stop defending the AR" in a thread thats about FIXING IT then you have no right to comment on the situation.

The burst AR's, do you se anyone use them ? HELL NO they are even more USELESS.

Only few people was using the AR before the Aim-assist, just look back.. you won't see many AR QQing threads. Most of the QQing was about the MD, but curiously ... no one is QQing about the MD anymore ? You have to be blind or stupid to don't see that the AA is the real problem, or both.

Exile is a standard weapon, Alloteck is a proto weapon, but we still rather use the Exile.
You say you only use Alloteck with minimun 2 complex dmg mods.

I think you made a mistake here, you are saying that im right

The answer is because an Exile Assault Rifle often outperforms a Boundless Heavy Machine Gun

boundless has alot higher DPS

any outperformance is by the player not the gun in that case (depending on range, if you engage someone while they are in optimal range and your gun isnt then well you deserve to get owned

boundless has alot higher DPS

any outperformance is by the player not the gun in that case (depending on range, if you engage someone while they are in optimal range and your gun isnt then well you deserve to get owned

TL;DR = They work.

Wrong. Aim Assist has been hotfixed and dramatically tuned down.

This is going to hurt some feelings. HIT SCAN weapons vs. Lasers (aim assisted) and Noob tubes. The only people griping about "diversity" in weapons are reallly bad players. The next post will be some d-bag saying how he slaughters with AR's, but only does so-so with everything else. Look up his stats. Add him to your watch list, and look up his stats. He sucks. He actually sucks really bad, and it merely a forum monkey. Thats it. Thats all this forum reaaaallly comes down to. Marginal players post waaaaay more than the top 5%. Fact.

Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time.

Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home.

What "other weapons" are there in this game? Seriously. Let's count shall we.

Not including sidearms or AV weapons there are exactly two:

LR
MD

now we can pretty much nix the LR off this list because, for one, it is a good weapon, and the only reason people don't like it is because they either don't want to deal with its CQC limitations or it's over heat. The weapon does just fine killing people other wise, in it's optimal range it is FAR better than the AR. Aside from this how is the laser rifle even really diferent than the assault rifle? They are both line of sight weapons.

So let's call this QQ for what it really is. "noone is using the MD... Whanh.

Well what do you expect? The weapon has a projectile arc, low RoF, can even kill you in close quarters (these are all intended factors). It's a pain in the *** to use and it is suposed to be. This is a weapon for people looking for a challenge, there is nothing wrong with this weapon, it kills people just fine when used/aimed properly (in fact I think there may be some kind of fall off damage bug for explosions, which means that it is functioning better than it should be). If there is any problem at all here it is operator error.

Last I ran the numbers, Dust had 14 weapon types - across all niches. The AR kills more often than 10 of those combined. Yeah, that's a problem. You're right though, there is no point to using any other weapons.

translation: I rock with my AR. This makes me think I have big balls.

Please. Diversity, BTW, is what makes a game interesting. It's also what keeps people playing and paying money.

Hit Scan weapons that aren't lasers need to go. Hit scan is so child's toy when it comes to projectile weapons.

Hail AR 514.

Awwwwww, Buster isn't any good at video games..... :-(

If you think AA is gone, put on a laser and get someone at range. You'll follow them every step of the way.

I agree with the original post. People went into AR because it's familiar. You also have options. Full auto, semi, burst, short and long range. This isn't about a nerf, it's just stating the obvious.

No I am saying that I REALLY like how the weapon handles but I can't kill anything with it with out atleast two damage mods, but that there are situations where I perfer using the burst over the assault even when I'm using damage mods on both simply because the way the weapon handles alows me to put people down more easily in certain situations.

Last I ran the numbers, Dust had 14 weapon types - across all niches. The AR kills more often than 10 of those combined. Yeah, that's a problem. You're right though, there is no point to using any other weapons.