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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:42:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Exile is a standard weapon, Alloteck is a proto weapon, but we still rather use the Exile. You say you only use Alloteck with minimun 2 complex dmg mods. I think you made a mistake here, you are saying that im right
No I am saying that I REALLY like how the weapon handles but I can't kill anything with it with out atleast two damage mods, but that there are situations where I perfer using the burst over the assault even when I'm using damage mods on both simply because the way the weapon handles alows me to put people down more easily in certain situations. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6393
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:43:00 -
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The answer is because an Exile Assault Rifle often outperforms a Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1360
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:02:00 -
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I still find it funny that people think aim assist was turned off or down. Fixes to hit detection combined with a reasonable amount of target adhesion resulted in a greatly reduced time to kill and a wild over reaction by some players. It's the change in tactics that makes it seem like aim assist has changed.
As mentioned in earlier posts CCP Logibro has confirmed that AA has not changed since 1.4 was deployed. During testing of passive scanning last night I saw target adhesion in operation. Its pretty freaky watching your gun track but it doesn't last long. The magnetism is really weak and in a regular firefight its influence is low. In a controlled situation with a target moving slowly the effect is more apparent. |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
961
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:03:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The answer is because an Exile Assault Rifle often outperforms a Boundless Heavy Machine Gun
boundless has alot higher DPS
any outperformance is by the player not the gun in that case (depending on range, if you engage someone while they are in optimal range and your gun isnt then well you deserve to get owned |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:56:00 -
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This explains why people START with the AR, yes. But it doesn't explain why they , even at PC level, depend on it so heavily. The AR is THE gun, and it is easy to use, but should be rather weak in some area or another to combat the extreme ease-of-use. When the range nerf hits in 1.5, or 1.6 if they held it back with the other weapons stuff, we'll see tons of people abandon ship into shark-filled waters once they realize they're using a Blaster :3 |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6399
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:00:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The answer is because an Exile Assault Rifle often outperforms a Boundless Heavy Machine Gun boundless has alot higher DPS any outperformance is by the player not the gun in that case (depending on range, if you engage someone while they are in optimal range and your gun isnt then well you deserve to get owned Just speaking from personal experience. The amount of times a HMG heavy will be in his optimal is drastically lower than the amount of times an AR user will be.
I just find it kind of funny how a weapon like the HMG requires you to dictate your engagements, yet the heavy is the only suit not capable of dictating its engagements. Lots of rolling around in LAVs |
Zero Harpuia
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:00:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The answer is because an Exile Assault Rifle often outperforms a Boundless Heavy Machine Gun boundless has alot higher DPS any outperformance is by the player not the gun in that case (depending on range, if you engage someone while they are in optimal range and your gun isnt then well you deserve to get owned
In this situation, the Boundless only has more DPS on paper. The HMG has far greater dispursion when placed side-by-side with the Blaster Rifle, and it also has less range for some reason only CCP knows. As range stats are not visible by us, and have only been determined by fumbling around on Oceania, any player who comes from EVE who thinks projectile >rangwise> Blaster or has otherwise been unable to find the buried range threads will be understandable flummoxed. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1697
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:01:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:TL;DR = They work.
Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time.
Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
978
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:06:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Only few people was using the AR before the Aim-assist, just look back.. you won't see many AR QQing threads. Most of the QQing was about the MD, but curiously ... no one is QQing about the MD anymore ? You have to be blind or stupid to don't see that the AA is the real problem, or both. ive been here since closed beta and the reign of missle dropships. AR QQ threads have exsisted since the begining. AA is turned off right now... so dont even bring that up here. and yes most people used the AR before aim assist aim assist is still on, it hasn't been changed since 1.4 came out. Wrong. Aim Assist has been hotfixed and dramatically tuned down.
prove it, it's still tugging the same to me as usual, and it's been proven the last set of people spouting this non-sense were just trying to spread rumours.
theirs a video on youtube showing exactly how it works. get someone to mimic those tests and we can see if it's any different.
link or it hasn't happened. |
Son Down
SamsClub
80
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:20:00 -
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This is going to hurt some feelings. HIT SCAN weapons vs. Lasers (aim assisted) and Noob tubes. The only people griping about "diversity" in weapons are reallly bad players. The next post will be some d-bag saying how he slaughters with AR's, but only does so-so with everything else. Look up his stats. Add him to your watch list, and look up his stats. He sucks. He actually sucks really bad, and it merely a forum monkey. Thats it. Thats all this forum reaaaallly comes down to. Marginal players post waaaaay more than the top 5%. Fact. |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1698
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:27:00 -
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Son Down wrote:This is going to hurt some feelings. HIT SCAN weapons vs. Lasers (aim assisted) and Noob tubes. The only people griping about "diversity" in weapons are reallly bad players. The next post will be some d-bag saying how he slaughters with AR's, but only does so-so with everything else. Look up his stats. Add him to your watch list, and look up his stats. He sucks. He actually sucks really bad, and it merely a forum monkey. Thats it. Thats all this forum reaaaallly comes down to. Marginal players post waaaaay more than the top 5%. Fact.
translation: I rock with my AR. This makes me think I have big balls.
Please. Diversity, BTW, is what makes a game interesting. It's also what keeps people playing and paying money.
Hit Scan weapons that aren't lasers need to go. Hit scan is so child's toy when it comes to projectile weapons.
Hail AR 514. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
312
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:37:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:TL;DR = They work. Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time. Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home.
What "other weapons" are there in this game? Seriously. Let's count shall we.
Not including sidearms or AV weapons that there are exactly two:
LR MD
now we can pretty much nix the LR off this list because, for one, it is a good weapon, and the only reason people don't like it is because they either don't want to deal with its CQC limitations or it's over heat. The weapon does just fine killing people other wise, in it's optimal range it is FAR better than the AR. Aside from this how is the laser rifle even really diferent than the assault rifle? They are both line of sight weapons.
So let's call this QQ for what it really is. "noone is using the MD... Whanh.
Well what do you expect? The weapon has a projectile arc, low RoF, can even kill you in close quarters (these are all intended factors). It's a pain in the *** to use and it is suposed to be. This is a weapon for people looking for a challenge, there is nothing wrong with this weapon, it kills people just fine when used/aimed properly (in fact I think there may be some kind of fall off damage bug for explosions, which means that it is functioning better than it should be). If there is any problem at all here it is operator error. |
Bad Cheetah
High-Damage
1
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:39:00 -
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If you think AA is gone, put on a laser and get someone at range. You'll follow them every step of the way.
I agree with the original post. People went into AR because it's familiar. You also have options. Full auto, semi, burst, short and long range. This isn't about a nerf, it's just stating the obvious. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1698
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:41:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:TL;DR = They work. Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time. Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. What "other weapons" are there in this game? Seriously. Let's count shall we. Not including sidearms or AV weapons there are exactly two: LR MD now we can pretty much nix the LR off this list because, for one, it is a good weapon, and the only reason people don't like it is because they either don't want to deal with its CQC limitations or it's over heat. The weapon does just fine killing people other wise, in it's optimal range it is FAR better than the AR. Aside from this how is the laser rifle even really diferent than the assault rifle? They are both line of sight weapons. So let's call this QQ for what it really is. "noone is using the MD... Whanh. Well what do you expect? The weapon has a projectile arc, low RoF, can even kill you in close quarters (these are all intended factors). It's a pain in the *** to use and it is suposed to be. This is a weapon for people looking for a challenge, there is nothing wrong with this weapon, it kills people just fine when used/aimed properly (in fact I think there may be some kind of fall off damage bug for explosions, which means that it is functioning better than it should be). If there is any problem at all here it is operator error.
Last I ran the numbers, Dust had 14 weapon types - across all niches. The AR kills more often than 10 of those combined. Yeah, that's a problem. You're right though, there is no point to using any other weapons.
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Son Down
SamsClub
80
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:43:00 -
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Awwwwww, Buster isn't any good at video games..... :-( |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
312
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:43:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:TL;DR = They work. Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time. Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. What "other weapons" are there in this game? Seriously. Let's count shall we. Not including sidearms or AV weapons there are exactly two: LR MD now we can pretty much nix the LR off this list because, for one, it is a good weapon, and the only reason people don't like it is because they either don't want to deal with its CQC limitations or it's over heat. The weapon does just fine killing people other wise, in it's optimal range it is FAR better than the AR. Aside from this how is the laser rifle even really diferent than the assault rifle? They are both line of sight weapons. So let's call this QQ for what it really is. "noone is using the MD... Whanh. Well what do you expect? The weapon has a projectile arc, low RoF, can even kill you in close quarters (these are all intended factors). It's a pain in the *** to use and it is suposed to be. This is a weapon for people looking for a challenge, there is nothing wrong with this weapon, it kills people just fine when used/aimed properly (in fact I think there may be some kind of fall off damage bug for explosions, which means that it is functioning better than it should be). If there is any problem at all here it is operator error. Last I ran the numbers, Dust had 14 weapon types - across all niches. The AR kills more often than 10 of those combined. Yeah, that's a problem. You're right though, there is no point to using any other weapons.
Weapon names please, no side arms no AV.
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
312
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:44:00 -
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What this game needs is actual "other weapons".
Creative/inventive/new weapons. |
Son Down
SamsClub
80
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:29:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Son Down wrote:This is going to hurt some feelings. HIT SCAN weapons vs. Lasers (aim assisted) and Noob tubes. The only people griping about "diversity" in weapons are reallly bad players. The next post will be some d-bag saying how he slaughters with AR's, but only does so-so with everything else. Look up his stats. Add him to your watch list, and look up his stats. He sucks. He actually sucks really bad, and it merely a forum monkey. Thats it. Thats all this forum reaaaallly comes down to. Marginal players post waaaaay more than the top 5%. Fact. translation: I rock with my AR. This makes me think I have big balls. Please. Diversity, BTW, is what makes a game interesting. It's also what keeps people playing and paying money. Hit Scan weapons that aren't lasers need to go. Hit scan is so child's toy when it comes to projectile weapons. Hail AR 514.
"Diversity, BTW, is what makes a game interesting." Yep. That's some reeeaaallly sound, factual based reasoning. Anything else you think would make the game more "interesting", genius. |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
965
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:18:00 -
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Son Down wrote:Awwwwww, Buster isn't any good at video games..... :-(
not sure who your talking to buuuuutt...
i WILL blow you up with a MD or my F/45s
or my dual SMG assault
or my novaknife scout
or my super soma
but i wont be killing you with an AR... its not minmatar tech... YET |
Chances Ghost
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
965
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Posted - 2013.09.19 19:32:00 -
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Bad Cheetah wrote: If you think AA is gone, put on a laser and get someone at range. You'll follow them every step of the way.
I agree with the original post. People went into AR because it's familiar. You also have options. Full auto, semi, burst, short and long range. This isn't about a nerf, it's just stating the obvious.
this
thank you, it IS about stating the obvious, because aparently we cant talk about the subject without picking a side in this wierd messed up argument.
this thread brings up the obvious.
people have no idea what balance is, and yet they are fueding over it.
this thread was as neutral as i could make it, stating simple obvious facts that cant really be denyed, it IS why ARs will always be popular.
i diddnt even say it was a bad thing that they are popular, i actually like the balance we have now.
ARs of the various races should probably be popular, its just obvious now becuase we dont have all the racial varients, once we have an AR for all the races and not just two things will even out and start to feel nice.
this thread is pretty much over so i will leave with some last words.
"Remove yourself from greed"
the moto of the development team ive been apart of for nearly 13 years.
when analysing game mechanics you have to aproch the subject without reguard to your own personal bias and playstyle, balance cant be achieved if we look out for our interests over the interests of a heathly game.
If you want to discuss game mechanics, dont pick a side and start a war. it does nothing but hurt the game.
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PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
64
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Posted - 2013.09.21 08:41:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Exile is a standard weapon, Alloteck is a proto weapon, but we still rather use the Exile. You say you only use Alloteck with minimun 2 complex dmg mods. I think you made a mistake here, you are saying that im right No I am saying that I REALLY like how the weapon handles but I can't kill anything with it with out atleast two damage mods, but that there are situations where I perfer using the burst over the assault even when I'm using damage mods on both simply because the way the weapon handles alows me to put people down more easily in certain situations.
Dont get me wrong ;) the burst AR's use to be my absolute favorit, but as you say you cant kill anyone whitout using at least 2 complex dmg mods. THIS is my point, its is USELESS now, you should NOT be forced to use dmg mods to be able to make a kill. |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
64
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Posted - 2013.09.21 09:01:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:TL;DR = They work. Not only that, they work better than other weapons. Pretty much all of the time. Hail AR 514. Go AR or go home. What "other weapons" are there in this game? Seriously. Let's count shall we. Not including sidearms or AV weapons there are exactly two: LR MD now we can pretty much nix the LR off this list because, for one, it is a good weapon, and the only reason people don't like it is because they either don't want to deal with its CQC limitations or it's over heat. The weapon does just fine killing people other wise, in it's optimal range it is FAR better than the AR. Aside from this how is the laser rifle even really diferent than the assault rifle? They are both line of sight weapons. So let's call this QQ for what it really is. "noone is using the MD... Whanh. Well what do you expect? The weapon has a projectile arc, low RoF, can even kill you in close quarters (these are all intended factors). It's a pain in the *** to use and it is suposed to be. This is a weapon for people looking for a challenge, there is nothing wrong with this weapon, it kills people just fine when used/aimed properly (in fact I think there may be some kind of fall off damage bug for explosions, which means that it is functioning better than it should be). If there is any problem at all here it is operator error. Last I ran the numbers, Dust had 14 weapon types - across all niches. The AR kills more often than 10 of those combined. Yeah, that's a problem. You're right though, there is no point to using any other weapons.
Well put in the the missing weapons and give players a respec... problem solved... Well in most cases, i for one will still go for blaster's and railguns, but that has something to do with race, and future racial bonuses. |
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