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Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
598
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:07:00 -
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Can only be done once per year (or every 6 months). Why is this not implemented yet? |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
187
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:10:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year (or every 6 months). Why is this not implemented yet? Because it gives no merit to any choice in skills you make when you know there is a easy way out button a few months down the line. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
199
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:12:00 -
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Perhaps it is because of some gibberish pertaining to "choices" and "consequences" and the absurd notion that they matter. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:12:00 -
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Why do we have to think of the system for CCP - The majority wants respecs.... We don't care how but with major changes to come we want it.
There should be no other issue. Let the minority shout - if they get gimped in 1.5 they would quickly change there minds! |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
187
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:16:00 -
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Athena Sentinel wrote:Why do we have to think of the system for CCP - The majority wants respecs.... We don't care how but with major changes to come we want it.
There should be no other issue. Let the minority shout - if they get gimped in 1.5 they would quickly change there minds!
the majority would want CCP to secretly sneak 1 bil ISK into their wallets and have no one ever find out about it. I don't care how they do it but i would like 1 bil isk in my wallet tonight. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1105
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:18:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year. Why is this not implemented yet?
+1 |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1078
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:18:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Perhaps it is because of some gibberish pertaining to "choices" and "consequences" and the absurd notion that they matter.
Uh, New Eden was built upon the mimicry of the real world. From racial class to economy and even to skillset choices. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:19:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Athena Sentinel wrote:Why do we have to think of the system for CCP - The majority wants respecs.... We don't care how but with major changes to come we want it.
There should be no other issue. Let the minority shout - if they get gimped in 1.5 they would quickly change there minds! the majority would want CCP to secretly sneak 1 bil ISK into their wallets and have no one ever find out about it. I don't care how they do it but i would like 1 bil isk in my wallet tonight.
Go buy AUR DONE... Sell 2 plex on EVE DONE... So easy, scrub, really.
Noob is talking like 1 bill isk is rare LOL - P2W I mean F2P |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1105
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:19:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year (or every 6 months). Why is this not implemented yet? Because it gives no merit to any choice in skills you make when you know there is a easy way out button a few months down the line.
CCP takes away that merit ANYWAYS by changing how everything works every 1- 2 updates.... |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
188
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year (or every 6 months). Why is this not implemented yet? Because it gives no merit to any choice in skills you make when you know there is a easy way out button a few months down the line. CCP takes away that merit ANYWAYS by changing how everything works every 1- 2 updates....
My scram rifle i spect'd into when i was able to buy the skill book for it, that gun still shoots when i press the R1 button. It changes but it is still a gun, you should know that weapons tend to get balanced. And if you pick a overpowered weapon and then it gets nerfed stop bitching about it. You can still use the weapon. |
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
851
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:42:00 -
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the respec thing boils down to a few factors
people get bored.. and they dont want to wait 3 months to try something new.
you have to spend millions of SP and months of waiting just to try something new and see if you like it, thats a huge risk and that why you see so many AR Assault/logis running around. it works and even if you get bored you have a pretty stable playstyle that will always be viable.
other playstyles like heavy are risky, if you go with a basic heavy with basic stuff your not going to be terribly effective and it doesnt give you a good view of how the class is going to perform over the long run.
a novaknife scout is a sidespec for most of us who occasionally run them, we never know update to update weather its still going to work so we use a half effective version of it for fun but not as a serious playstyle (there are a few who go die hard novaknife all the time, but they are rare)
basically not having respecs in a game with this SP system means that you will losemost of the variety in a game built for variety, people will be stable and predictable.
thats why the AR is king, not becuase its the best weapon, but because its the safest weapon to learn and use. its predictable and will always be viable.
a limited respec would alow people to try out new playstyles at their peak and would intropduce some variety to gameplay, and while its true that it would also produce FOTM chasers thats not actually a bad thing because its a good indication of whats overpowered rather then whats overused like we have now. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5291
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:45:00 -
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I'd rather see the skill tree reworked to allow more cross training instead of the current linear SP sinks we have right now. Make that change and we wouldn't need a respec system. |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
79
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:47:00 -
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SERIOUSLY GTFO WITH THAT RESPEC THREAD ! CCP SAID NOMORE QUIT BITCHING JUST BECAUSE U FUKED UP ON A DECISION! U MAD ?? |
Heavy Breaks
Red Star. EoN.
265
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Posted - 2013.09.16 04:56:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:SERIOUSLY GTFO WITH THAT RESPEC THREAD ! CCP SAID NOMORE QUIT BITCHING JUST BECAUSE U FUKED UP ON A DECISION! U MAD ??
Wow.
That is all.
OT; I support this idea. |
Seed Dren
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
90
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Posted - 2013.09.16 05:12:00 -
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I'm with you breaks. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2013.09.16 05:42:00 -
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Easy no.
Pay to win argument.
I'm not in favor of respecs, but if they were implemented I would hope it cost no less than half of your lifetime SP.
I regret none of my mistakes. |
Delonius from Khanid
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:08:00 -
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What is the point of 1 respec in 1 year? You can get 20mill SP during that time without boosters. Enough to master even multiple roles.
Respec would make this whole training system pointless. If you want to be effective in multiple roles to be able to accomodate better to different situations then work for it.
Any kind of respec would support only the people who are not even playing the game but want to jump from one broken/OP setup to another after balance changes. And this is not something what I would encourage. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3289
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:19:00 -
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100 mil is peanuts, lol. Keep it to aurum only tbh, and for cheaper than 50k AUR. |
Delonius from Khanid
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:31:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:the respec thing boils down to a few factors
people get bored.. and they dont want to wait 3 months to try something new.
you have to spend millions of SP and months of waiting just to try something new and see if you like it, thats a huge risk and that why you see so many AR Assault/logis running around. it works and even if you get bored you have a pretty stable playstyle that will always be viable.
other playstyles like heavy are risky, if you go with a basic heavy with basic stuff your not going to be terribly effective and it doesnt give you a good view of how the class is going to perform over the long run.
a novaknife scout is a sidespec for most of us who occasionally run them, we never know update to update weather its still going to work so we use a half effective version of it for fun but not as a serious playstyle (there are a few who go die hard novaknife all the time, but they are rare)
basically not having respecs in a game with this SP system means that you will losemost of the variety in a game built for variety, people will be stable and predictable.
thats why the AR is king, not becuase its the best weapon, but because its the safest weapon to learn and use. its predictable and will always be viable.
a limited respec would alow people to try out new playstyles at their peak and would intropduce some variety to gameplay, and while its true that it would also produce FOTM chasers thats not actually a bad thing because its a good indication of whats overpowered rather then whats overused like we have now.
Some kind of practice mode would be more reasonable for that purpose. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1307
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:38:00 -
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Why not implement tiercide where unlocking items is done with almost no SP cost and all players can try out all playstyles after playing for maybe a few months, and those who definitely know what they want to do can specialise WITHOUT gaining too much of an advantage over those who don't specialise, because specialisation compounds strengths AND weaknesses, not just make everything better, like tiers do currently.
I mean, if we're already so supportive of some kind of respec system, tiercide seems to be the other alternative which gets us as close to the idea of respeccing as possible, without losing the progressive/persistent nature of New Eden. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8507
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:39:00 -
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Pay to Win. |
TcuBe3
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
60
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:42:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:SERIOUSLY GTFO WITH THAT RESPEC THREAD ! CCP SAID NOMORE QUIT BITCHING JUST BECAUSE U FUKED UP ON A DECISION! U MAD ??
Easy on the caps I think you can get your point across without it, it's hard to take you seriously dude. |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Auxiliaries
257
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Posted - 2013.09.16 07:29:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year. Why is this not implemented yet? Because as soon as it's in you guys will start trying to get the limitations lowered. CCP already knows that.
Also this would break the game, but you already know that, you just don't care. You'd like to have as much fun with the game, even if it means you would run it to the ground.
Also I'm with the other guy -- respec should cost you 50% of SP you reverse. You'd have to reverse every skill level manually and would only get half of it back, the rest would go *puff*. That would be some price to pay. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
549
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:00:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:SERIOUSLY GTFO WITH THAT RESPEC THREAD ! CCP SAID NOMORE QUIT BITCHING JUST BECAUSE U FUKED UP ON A DECISION! U MAD ?? which decisions?
there isnt many stuff you can get into currently and there is always something that changes significantly atleast once a month. something you invested SP now could be changed significantly next month and we had this case several times now.
there is a reason why the majority of players are gallente/caldari suits with AR.
Orenji Jiji wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year. Why is this not implemented yet? Because as soon as it's in you guys will start trying to get the limitations lowered. CCP already knows that. Also this would break the game, but you already know that, you just don't care. You'd like to have as much fun with the game, even if it means you would run it to the ground. Also I'm with the other guy -- respec should cost you 50% of SP you reverse. You'd have to reverse every skill level manually and would only get half of it back, the rest would go *puff*. That would be some price to pay. the most ******** reasoning ever |
Toby Flenderson
research lab The Superpowers
27
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:21:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Perhaps it is because of some gibberish pertaining to "choices" and "consequences" and the absurd notion that they matter.
How is "choices have consequences" gibberish? |
DJINN MUSTARD
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:15:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year. Why is this not implemented yet? CRYING AGAIN? Just delete dust and cry to your mommy! Live with your choices SCRUB! |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4188
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:15:00 -
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Not supported. I anti-sign. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1489
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:20:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Can only be done once per year (or every 6 months). Why is this not implemented yet? Because it gives no merit to any choice in skills you make when you know there is a easy way out button a few months down the line.
How does living months with a decision leave no value in that decision? |
Alldin Kan
TeamPlayers EoN.
601
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:22:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Because as soon as it's in you guys will start trying to get the limitations lowered. CCP already knows that.
Also this would break the game, but you already know that, you just don't care. You'd like to have as much fun with the game, even if it means you would run it to the ground.
Also I'm with the other guy -- respec should cost you 50% of SP you reverse. You'd have to reverse every skill level manually and would only get half of it back, the rest would go *puff*. That would be some price to pay. Explain to me in full details how a respec for everyone truly breaks the game.
Oh wait you can't. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4188
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Posted - 2013.09.16 12:28:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:Because as soon as it's in you guys will start trying to get the limitations lowered. CCP already knows that.
Also this would break the game, but you already know that, you just don't care. You'd like to have as much fun with the game, even if it means you would run it to the ground.
Also I'm with the other guy -- respec should cost you 50% of SP you reverse. You'd have to reverse every skill level manually and would only get half of it back, the rest would go *puff*. That would be some price to pay. Explain to me in full details how a respec for everyone truly breaks the game. Oh wait you can't.
/sigh/
Seriously? Are you too lazy to find the answer yourself? This has been discussed for the past year and a half already and you didn't bother to do a search of the forums for it?
http://dustsearch.com/ |
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