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calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 536	Posted - 2013.09.15 13:49:00 - [1] - Quote I know they said they are going to make tanks more visible in 1.5 by sound, but who thinks its freakin stupid they do not show up on you radar until they are inches from your face? RADAR: a system for detecting the presence, direction, distance, and speed of aircraft, ships, and other objects, by sending out pulses of high-frequency electromagnetic waves that are reflected off the object back to the source. By this definition tanks along with everything else in dust is stealth. So again why do we have a radar screen if it is none operational until you use a little scanner that goes PING. CCP only did this to make another SP skill sink in my opinion. Another thing, I get it I have been scanned, now can we get on with more important things. Ok I am done beating my head against the keyboard.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 894	Posted - 2013.09.15 13:59:00 - [2] - Quote Blame the pathetically small scan radius on suits. CCP really wanted to push the scanners for this build. I expect some changes in the next to point releases. Kind of nice that sometimes we can surprise you considering how we normally have to deal with invisible AV troopers. Call it just a touch of karma. Enjoy till 1.5, and watch out for the stealth HAV lol.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 170	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:02:00 - [3] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: Blame the pathetically small scan radius on suits. CCP really wanted to push the scanners for this build. I expect some changes in the next to point releases. Kind of nice that sometimes we can surprise you considering how we normally have to deal with invisible AV troopers. Call it just a touch of karma. Enjoy till 1.5, and watch out for the stealth HAV lol. Then CCP should give scouts 2 equipment slots or make the passive scanning range further
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 76	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:04:00 - [4] - Quote You should've just continued on with your "Dear Diary" post Your "other" QQ thread I thought you have had enough and quitting?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1315	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:06:00 - [5] - Quote calvin b wrote: I know they said they are going to make tanks more visible in 1.5 by sound, but who thinks its freakin stupid they do not show up on you radar until they are inches from your face? RADAR: a system for detecting the presence, direction, distance, and speed of aircraft, ships, and other objects, by sending out pulses of high-frequency electromagnetic waves that are reflected off the object back to the source. Using radar is not stealthy at all... I believe the suits are passive scanners unless scanning modules are used. Speaking of that... if a suit has enough electronics to avoid a scanner then the scanner should light up it's own location for those that are able to avoid a scan attempt (even if not shared to the tacnet).
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 537	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:06:00 - [6] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: You should've just continued on with your "Dear Diary" post Your "other" QQ thread I thought you have had enough and quitting? No this is a different day and a different page. Good to see I have a groupie now. Now get me a Latte and the biggest tittie B**** you can find, pronto.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 538	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:08:00 - [7] - Quote Also I never said I was quitting for good, just capping as quick as possible so I do not burn out. Do not worry I will be around to torment the likes of you for months to come.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 902	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote This has been a pet peeve over all the builds, but bad aiming and controls trumped it for a long time. Atm i'm thinking the order of priority for core mechanics fixes should go: Rendering, TACNET, Null Cannon interaction(prolly the same as whatever it is that allows head/wall/crate glitching). It's a process of stamping out the various pieces of mickey-mousedness scattered through the DUST codebase.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 77	Posted - 2013.09.15 14:16:00 - [9] - Quote calvin b wrote: Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: You should've just continued on with your "Dear Diary" post Your "other" QQ thread I thought you have had enough and quitting? No this is a different day and a different page. Good to see I have a groupie now. Now get me a Latte and the biggest tittie B**** you can find, pronto. Different day and different page? You're like a ratchet girl.. You complain too much, You can't decide what you want to do, and is looking for an attention. Sorry buddy, just stating the facts and truth hurts. I suggest for you to take the time to grab a couple of loose rocks from the road outside your house. Now you should chew on that shiet, Hopefully it'll harden you the feck up. OR I suggest that you get a tablespoon of cement mix and add it to your preferred 'latte' coffee, This should also harden you the feck up. I now assume the letter 'B' in your character name stands for B!tch... Calvin B!tch
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 539	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:02:00 - [10] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: calvin b wrote: Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: You should've just continued on with your "Dear Diary" post Your "other" QQ thread I thought you have had enough and quitting? No this is a different day and a different page. Good to see I have a groupie now. Now get me a Latte and the biggest tittie B** you can find, pronto. Different day and different page? You're like a ratchet girl.. You complain too much, You can't decide what you want to do, and is looking for an attention. Sorry buddy, just stating the facts and truth hurts. I suggest for you to take the time to grab a couple of loose rocks from the road outside your house. Now you should chew on that shiet, Hopefully it'll harden you the feck up. OR I suggest that you get a tablespoon of cement mix and add it to your preferred 'latte' coffee, This should also harden you the feck up. I now assume the letter 'B' in your character name stands for B!tch... Calvin B!tch You sound like my dog always following me around and yaping for attention. You want attention right boy, yes you do now go fetch. I bet you have no friends and have no life but to troll other forums. When you are at school and you are being bullied just remember someday you will grow up and actually do something with your life except troll forums. Maybe you can find a friend, sounds like you need one. I would suggest anyone of the numerous social sights on the web. I feel sorry for you and that is honesty, because who follows someone around forum sights, but only for attention. Now were is my Latte you groupie B**.

gbghg L.O.T.I.S. 3478	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:09:00 - [11] - Quote calvin b wrote: I know they said they are going to make tanks more visible in 1.5 by sound, but who thinks its freakin stupid they do not show up on you radar until they are inches from your face? RADAR: a system for detecting the presence, direction, distance, and speed of aircraft, ships, and other objects, by sending out pulses of high-frequency electromagnetic waves that are reflected off the object back to the source. By this definition tanks along with everything else in dust is stealth. So again why do we have a radar screen if it is none operational until you use a little scanner that goes PING. CCP only did this to make another SP skill sink in my opinion. Another thing, I get it I have been scanned, now can we get on with more important things. Ok I am done beating my head against the keyboard. RADAR works two ways you know, by sending out those waves you're giving your own position away, there are weapons designed to home in on radar sources in real life. active scanners should be the same, the scanner's position should be lit up on the minimaps of those who have been scanned, would make AS more of a risk vs reward equipment use than just having people spam it, it also opens up new tactical situations now that i think about it. you could use an active scanner as bait to lure enemies into a trap, or you could use a scanner as a decoy, giving the appearance that you're coming in from the right door when you're actually coming in at the left or or, so many possibilities.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3492	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:15:00 - [12] - Quote calvin b wrote: You sound like my dog always following me around and yaping for attention. You want attention right boy, yes you do now go fetch. I bet you have no friends and have no life but to troll other forums. When you are at school and you are being bullied just remember someday you will grow up and actually do something with your life except troll forums. Maybe you can find a friend, sounds like you need one. I would suggest anyone of the numerous social sights on the web. I feel sorry for you and that is honesty, because who follows someone around forum sights, but only for attention. Now were is my Latte you groupie B****. TL;DR - Agree with my opinions or I will verbally berate you. Also, even though we have radar, wouldn't the technology to counter radar also exist? Please, be gentle.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 539	Posted - 2013.09.15 21:46:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: calvin b wrote: You sound like my dog always following me around and yaping for attention. You want attention right boy, yes you do now go fetch. I bet you have no friends and have no life but to troll other forums. When you are at school and you are being bullied just remember someday you will grow up and actually do something with your life except troll forums. Maybe you can find a friend, sounds like you need one. I would suggest anyone of the numerous social sights on the web. I feel sorry for you and that is honesty, because who follows someone around forum sights, but only for attention. Now were is my Latte you groupie B**. TL;DR - Agree with my opinions or I will verbally berate you. Also, even though we have radar, wouldn't the technology to counter radar also exist? Please, be gentle. Sorry about the other comments if they seem harsh. I cant stand trolls who follow you around and have nothing better to do than talk S* for they seem to never come up with an original idea of there own. I was in avionics and it is a little difficult to explain on forums because of the detail in radar, stealth, and how the system really works. In simple terms the radar is very simple, but with added technology it has become quite complex. Object 1 sends a signal out like a PING, then the other objects around them reflect said ping and that is what shows up on radar. With stealth technology, the PING is absorbed or deflected instead of reflected. That is why sonar was so hard to defeat until recent. With sonar a certain coating of absorbent material was made to absorb and null the sonar wave. So to counter the radar our suits and vehicles would have to carry massive amount of power or a physical design to make it appear its not there. So, it not so much as a radar defeating a radar its more a system design to absorb or trick the incoming signal from returning to the source from which it came.
Pickle Sniffer Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.10.08 20:59:00 - [14] - Quote so nobody really answered this question. Any word on tanks showing up on radar again? My biggest thing I when I know there a HAV wreaking havoc somewhere, I'll try to switch to an AV loadout and use the map to find it, anticipate it's course, and intercept. But it's tough when all I have to look at is a swarm of red and blue dots, and somehow, just a faint moving speck to represent a unit with 10 times the armor, artillery, and speed of any of them...
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 796	Posted - 2013.10.08 21:25:00 - [15] - Quote All vehicles* show up on Scans for my Logi work. I am not certain what you are actually talking about. If you are talking about the mini-map that is driven by TacNet. Which the original lore tells us that Mercs share data between squads and teams (to a lesser extent). During Closed Beta one could watch individual Mercs running around on the overhead map (respawn screen, Down on the D-Pad or OB strike option). Then in Open Beta that disappeared but you could spot them by the sun glinting off their equipment. Little sparkles was the best way to describe it. Then Uprising was frowed up (aka released) and slowly we lost even more. The sparkles are gone. We can still see weapon fire although not always in the mini-map. Add that to the Famous Graphic Optimization that resulted in pretty grass but not being able to see a target nor an attacker the game is more of a ... challenge. Yeah, that's a good word. The real word would get me banned. The CCP/Shanghai plan became crystal clear when they announced the release of the Scanners. Scanners that worked! Which was much better than the original scanners that did the opposite of work. Now to find the Reds someone in the Squad must have a Scanner. The vehicle scanners work but will not generate WP. So find the Reds but get no WP for it while all the Mercs on the ground will. Cool. So, the lore is wrong. In fact the TacNet lore was deleted in all practical aspects. Now TacNet does nothing. One cannot even find their own Squad mates. Well, you can. If you have line of sight and you pull out a weapon with sufficient range to target them. That will let you know where they are, who they are and how their shields/armor is doing. Repeat for each squad member. This drives the voice system (fragile as it is) to new loads because now the Squad Leader and the Logi Bros are trying to find the actual location of their mates by voice as TacNet will provide no data. Squad Leaders place squad commands then ask who received the circle of death. TL;DR Less and less is going to show up on the mini-map. Unless someone spends SP, ISK/AUR and an equipment slot. If you think this is going to change. Get in line, we have bridge we are happy to sell to you. Right over here in New Eden. Watch that first step. Its kind of a killer. * To make tanks more Fun CCP/Shanghai is going to gut them. Making them visible will be easy then, just look for the smoke. Which will not show up on the mini-map.
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 76	Posted - 2013.10.08 21:31:00 - [16] - Quote Its only fair considering we can't see AV until its already hit us.


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