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Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:06:00 -
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Best ideas, based on likes, i'll quote and put for all to here. Now on topic what sort of respec systems would you guys try to use? I personally would go with a system where everyone gets X respecs, 2 is mine, per year that can be used at any given point and time. These respecs WOULD NOT stack per year so you can have more than 2 at any given point and time. The "year" applies to when the respecs were used so there's no abusable deadline.
Let me know what you guys think and what ideas you have. I also want to clarify that this tread thread isn't for people to complain about respecs. This is a thread to discuss what system the majority of us that DO want it can agree on. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
603
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:07:00 -
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once all the suits and vehicles come out a total respec and then never ever again |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1670
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:09:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:once all the suits and vehicles come out a total respec and then never ever again
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Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
167
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:13:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:once all the suits and vehicles come out a total respec and then never ever again
Hard to disagree but as is dust is pretty dull. Even with a total respec will just go back to our daily motions of complaining after a month of having to grind again. Still it's not a bad idea just that dust itself makes it hard to agree |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:13:00 -
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Once we achieve racial symmetry, we get one limited respec so you can pick your race, but can't dump all sp into vehicles if you weren't speced into them before, or vice-versa. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
701
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:13:00 -
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Expensive, both ISK and Aurum, and you lose 1 mil SP to do it. Wouldn't make much sense below 13 mil, but whatever.
Say.... 2.5 mil ISK, 15,000 Aurum. |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
927
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:15:00 -
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No readily available respecs.
Just a courtesy respec offer every major patch, until all of the suits, vehicles, and equipment comes out. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5252
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:18:00 -
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Pay 33% of your lifetime SP to respec. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
729
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:20:00 -
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10,000,000 ISK OR 20,000 Aurum Available once every 720 hours |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
114
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:33:00 -
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I'd like the same respec system that Eve has. |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3464
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:46:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:I'd like the same respec system that Eve has. ... You know they actually don't have a respec system, right? |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
114
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:52:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:KA24DERT wrote:I'd like the same respec system that Eve has. ... You know they actually don't have a respec system, right? You know that you're a winner, right? |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
477
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:00:00 -
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A big giant red button in your merc quarters. When you press it it automatically resets all your skill points and marks your total SP as ZERO thus effectively giving people exactly what they are asking for while screwing them over at the same time. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:29:00 -
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AUR token respecs |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4573
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:34:00 -
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The MAG respec system |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
344
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:37:00 -
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No free repecs.
Respecs for 20,000 AUR each and you lose 10% of your SP. That will discourage players with a lot of SP from continuously respecing.
READ: Make better decisions. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
749
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:44:00 -
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None, because respecing doesn't force you to:
A) Deal with the fact that you've made mistakes
B) Destroys the feeling of permenancy currently associated with your choices which makes you really consider each choice deeply before you jump in.
C) Deprives you of the learning and sometimes joy when you find out that an accidentally/mistakenly bought skillpoint is actually quite useful.
I'd also like to point out that any respec is destructive to the game since all players will just constantly spec into the flavor of the moment destroying any semblance of play style diversity.
Respecs for AUR are awful because they promote a pay to win environment (see previous FOTM comment) and respects for large isk amounts give a huge advantage to the rich vets.
In summary, respecs are an awful idea and CCP has said there will be no more of them anyway so just give up on it. The rest of us are tired of verbally thrashing you for wanting a respec. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1066
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:45:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Best ideas, based on likes, i'll quote and put for all to here. Now on topic what sort of respec systems would you guys try to use? I personally would go with a system where everyone gets X respecs, 2 is mine, per year that can be used at any given point and time. These respecs WOULD NOT stack per year so you can have more than 2 at any given point and time. The "year" applies to when the respecs were used so there's no abusable deadline. Let me know what you guys think and what ideas you have. I also want to clarify that this tread thread isn't for people to complain about respecs. This is a thread to discuss what system the majority of us that DO want it can agree on.
Respecs every time they make something new, so that players can test as much as possible before they give us a FINAL respec when everything is out.
By that time ,every single player should know what they want to play as, and everybody should be happy.
After that, no respecs, NEVER again.... |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
421
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:47:00 -
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none. if you want to respec, start a new character. |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
167
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:48:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:None, because respecing doesn't force you to:
A) Deal with the fact that you've made mistakes
B) Destroys the feeling of permenancy currently associated with your choices which makes you really consider each choice deeply before you jump in.
C) Deprives you of the learning and sometimes joy when you find out that an accidentally/mistakenly bought skillpoint is actually quite useful.
I'd also like to point out that any respec is destructive to the game since all players will just constantly spec into the flavor of the moment destroying any semblance of play style diversity.
Respecs for AUR are awful because they promote a pay to win environment (see previous FOTM comment) and respects for large isk amounts give a huge advantage to the rich vets.
In summary, respecs are an awful idea and CCP has said there will be no more of them anyway so just give up on it. The rest of us are tired of verbally thrashing you for wanting a respec.
I also want to clarify that this thread isn't for people to complain about respecs. This is a thread to discuss what system the majority of us that DO want it can agree on. |
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
361
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Posted - 2013.09.15 03:49:00 -
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I want one with 1.5. After all, they're changing everything... Removing half our modules, changing the way vehicles work. It's a little more significant than a few CPU from CalLogi. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
118
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:19:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:None, because respecing doesn't force you to:
A) Deal with the fact that you've made mistakes
B) Destroys the feeling of permenancy currently associated with your choices which makes you really consider each choice deeply before you jump in.
C) Deprives you of the learning and sometimes joy when you find out that an accidentally/mistakenly bought skillpoint is actually quite useful.
I'd also like to point out that any respec is destructive to the game since all players will just constantly spec into the flavor of the moment destroying any semblance of play style diversity.
Respecs for AUR are awful because they promote a pay to win environment (see previous FOTM comment) and respects for large isk amounts give a huge advantage to the rich vets.
In summary, respecs are an awful idea and CCP has said there will be no more of them anyway so just give up on it. The rest of us are tired of verbally thrashing you for wanting a respec. I also want to clarify that this thread isn't for people to complain about respecs. This is a thread to discuss what system the majority of us that DO want it can agree on.
Nope, sorry.
Then it'll look like there's more support than there actually is for a feature that shouldn't exist. It's threads like these that got people fixated on the overly complicated "rollover sp" idea, when the best solution was to have no cap at all.
Respecs are a bad idea, and it should be challenged wherever it pops up. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
910
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:21:00 -
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None. It breaks the skill system.
But, just to answer your question, a yearly respec for 20k AUR.
But, preferably not at all.
Break the idea of consequence behind the skill system |
Ivar Iosef
G I A N T EoN.
10
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:32:00 -
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To those that say "respec when everything is out".... You don't know CCP. That won't ever happen. They are always adding new things, and they aren't going to give you a respec just because you're bored. Grind the SP and think about what you've done.
No respec, ever. Only refunds due to skill-tinkering Devs. |
Gods Architect
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
433
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:35:00 -
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why are all these scrubs wanting respecs. We had one, if you don't like what you got man up, work hard, get that SP up and get what you want. Stop with the easy way out |
SlyFrenzy
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.09.15 21:45:00 -
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we get 1 refund tokens every 6 months for a cost of 25 million isk each token -it can only refund one skill only no matter what level. -if you brought one token but didn't use it will be gone after a month. -if you decide to use it your passive sp gain will be halved for a month.
I would like to see this type of respec system.
Your thoughts? |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
442
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Posted - 2013.09.15 21:47:00 -
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EVE players get a remap of their core skills on a yearly basis.
While not their skills on the whole, for a FPS such as this, perhaps a yearly remap wouldn't be too bad? Maybe every 6 mo.? Thats a long time in terms of a game like this. CoD replaces it's games with a new edition yearly. While DUST may not go that route, expecting people to be playing 1-2 years from now is unlikely, at best. Need to work within that time frame. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2013.09.15 21:48:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:EVE players get a remap of their core skills on a yearly basis.
While not their skills on the whole, for a FPS such as this, perhaps a yearly remap wouldn't be too bad? Maybe every 6 mo.? Thats a long time in terms of a game like this. CoD replaces it's games with a new edition yearly. While DUST may not go that route, expecting people to be playing 1-2 years from now is unlikely, at best. Need to work within that time frame. Not quite correct. They get a remap of their attributes, which affect how fast skills are trained. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.09.15 21:50:00 -
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SlyFrenzy wrote:we get 1 refund tokens every 6 months for a cost of 25 million isk each token -it can only refund one skill only no matter what level. -if you brought one token but didn't use it will be gone after a month. -if you decide to use it your passive sp gain will be halved for a month.
I would like to see this type of respec system.
Your thoughts?
There is really no difference between respec and boosters - as far as SP goes.
I think this system would work and maybe with less restrictions. Respecing on Dust is a must. To point a fact there would be less EVE dropouts if they could respec also.
CCP this is something that gimps your SP system. You want us to play what we enjoy but limit the ability to explore all the game has to offer to play what we enjoy... You support only hardcore players with the current system.
I suggest you explore out of the BOX and think again about a respec system. |
DaddyKillsEmAll
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
98
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Posted - 2013.09.15 21:52:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:The MAG respec system
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THUNDER HOURSE
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:31:00 -
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I believe no respect should be done. If you choose an path and did not read or ask corp members or go on forums to see what the best path is then tooo bad. I wish some time I can respect only because they really nurf the shield tanks bad and every time that someone ask me what I run and I say shield tank they say sorry. BUT this is what I choose and will stick to it . Still to this day before I spend my SP Ill ask some one in the corp or look for some comments from other players if its an good choice to do. I also agree about the flavor of the month comment . Just because MASS Drivers are the Rave for the moment and are just murdering ppl left and right does not mean that you should be able to easily to spec into it . |
Raiff Basdek
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
43
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Posted - 2013.09.15 22:38:00 -
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None. You made your choice.
There's 3 character slots for a reason, and biomass is always an option. Send your Isk to another of your characters and start again. |
SlyFrenzy
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:05:00 -
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everyone gets 1 refund token every 4 months for FREE. -it can only refund one skill only no matter what level. -if you didn't use the token it will be gone after a 2 weeks. -if you decide to use it your passive sp gain will be halved for a 3 weeks.
I changed a little bit to minimize the penalty a bit and i feel like this system is better.
Criticize my idea so I can come up with other respec system and I can also see the flaws of my ideas. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
987
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:31:00 -
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Add skill spikes and clusters. Sell them on the market for ISK and AUR. Add a skill or two for each and there you go.
Skill clusters would open up on branch of skills to level 3 and allow mercs to test out advanced gear. The cluster skill would allow the merc to access more skill sets. Level 1 for side arms, level two for light weapons, 3 for heavy and four and five for vehicles. The second skill would add time to the cluster. Six hours added per level for a total of 30 hours extra per cluster. Sell them in 1,3,5, and 7 day flavors. All benefits would be lost when the booster ran out.
Skill spikes would be sold for AUR and ISK and would award the wearer with 500K SP to allocate to one skill. Each level of the spike skill would add 2% more SP per booster. Add a spike extender skill that adds six hours per level and sell them in the same way the other boosters are sold. When the spike runs out the SP is taken away.
This would get rid of the need for respecs and allow people to test out higher gear. With a cluster and a spike in a branch of the skill tree coupled with some AUR weapons a day one merc could rock at least one piece of prototype gear. Selling them for ISK keeps them from being P2W and an 8x skill would make them another good SP sink. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
116
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:33:00 -
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I already put a like on the never again option once all the suits come out but if a respec is 100% needed for some odd reason, make it aur based, expensive and have a 6 month cd, major balance changes however should give out limited respec in their related field. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
260
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Posted - 2013.09.16 01:45:00 -
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SlyFrenzy wrote:everyone gets 1 refund token every 4 months for FREE. -it can only refund one skill only no matter what level. -if you didn't use the token it will be gone after a 2 weeks. -if you decide to use it your passive sp gain will be halved for a 3 weeks. I changed a little bit to minimize the penalty a bit and i feel like this system is better. Criticize my idea so I can come up with other respec system and I can also see the flaws of my ideas. Ok here is the criticism.
Make it maybe so that you have increasing passive or active SP penalties the more skills you would like refunded? Maybe passive/active SP halved for 8 weeks but you get 2 skills refunded? |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
681
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Posted - 2013.09.16 02:00:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:EVE players get a remap of their core skills on a yearly basis.
While not their skills on the whole, for a FPS such as this, perhaps a yearly remap wouldn't be too bad? Maybe every 6 mo.? Thats a long time in terms of a game like this. CoD replaces it's games with a new edition yearly. While DUST may not go that route, expecting people to be playing 1-2 years from now is unlikely, at best. Need to work within that time frame.
Well, not quite. See, what they get is a remap of attributes, in which makes skilling faster for certain skills depending on the attribute. If they gave us this, that would make skilling a certain role faster, almost like a booster for specific skills. I would say getting these adjusted for Dust, then paying for another remap would be okay. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
178
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Posted - 2013.09.16 02:04:00 -
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pay around 99% maybe 99.5% of your life time SP seems about fair. |
Cass Caul
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.09.16 02:36:00 -
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what was the MAG respec system? never played it.
Either way... I'm at 23m SP. If I got a respec... it is 17 million to max out those dropsuit upgrades. another 4M at my proto suit. and 2million for weapons. lol. i'd love a respec. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.09.16 03:55:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:what was the MAG respec system? never played it.
Either way... I'm at 23m SP. If I got a respec... it is 17 million to max out those dropsuit upgrades. another 4M at my proto suit. and 2million for weapons. lol. i'd love a respec.
preaching to the quire. |
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Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
167
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Posted - 2013.09.16 05:16:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:what was the MAG respec system? never played it.
Either way... I'm at 23m SP. If I got a respec... it is 17 million to max out those dropsuit upgrades. another 4M at my proto suit. and 2million for weapons. lol. i'd love a respec.
MAG had a level cap tht once you reached you could respec back to level 1. The other system was... Well i don't remember I think you basically payed some price in SP and you could choose which things to spec into again.
What if they simply got rid of SP system for weapons/suits and make it more like the CoD(I don't know what else to compare it to i think BF) where usage and fimilarity with the weapon increases your ability with it and the things you can fit on it. In a way it'd be like EVE/CoD. the downfall with CoD when it comes to weapons is the fact that they aren't really unique but in D514 that's not the issue.
So basically the amount of time(games) you use a racial weapon type and the amount of kills, with the types of kills, increase certain skills on it. Like "reach x kills with the HMG increases it's stability". |
Jathniel
G I A N T EoN.
942
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:17:00 -
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Nelo Angel0 wrote:Cass Caul wrote:what was the MAG respec system? never played it.
Either way... I'm at 23m SP. If I got a respec... it is 17 million to max out those dropsuit upgrades. another 4M at my proto suit. and 2million for weapons. lol. i'd love a respec. MAG had a level cap tht once you reached you could respec back to level 1. The other system was... Well i don't remember I think you basically payed some price in SP and you could choose which things to spec into again. What if they simply got rid of SP system for weapons/suits and make it more like the CoD(I don't know what else to compare it to i think BF) where usage and fimilarity with the weapon increases your ability with it and the things you can fit on it. In a way it'd be like EVE/CoD. the downfall with CoD when it comes to weapons is the fact that they aren't really unique but in D514 that's not the issue. So basically the amount of time(games) you use a racial weapon type and the amount of kills, with the types of kills, increase certain skills on it. Like "reach x kills with the HMG increases it's stability".
I know what you're trying to say. It's a good idea, but most folks will read the "like the CoD" part and immediately stop reading. lol |
Thurak1
Psygod9
189
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:20:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:No readily available respecs.
Just a courtesy respec offer every major patch, until all of the suits, vehicles, and equipment comes out. +1 |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
167
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:51:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Nelo Angel0 wrote:Cass Caul wrote:what was the MAG respec system? never played it.
Either way... I'm at 23m SP. If I got a respec... it is 17 million to max out those dropsuit upgrades. another 4M at my proto suit. and 2million for weapons. lol. i'd love a respec. MAG had a level cap tht once you reached you could respec back to level 1. The other system was... Well i don't remember I think you basically payed some price in SP and you could choose which things to spec into again. What if they simply got rid of SP system for weapons/suits and make it more like the CoD(I don't know what else to compare it to i think BF) where usage and fimilarity with the weapon increases your ability with it and the things you can fit on it. In a way it'd be like EVE/CoD. the downfall with CoD when it comes to weapons is the fact that they aren't really unique but in D514 that's not the issue. So basically the amount of time(games) you use a racial weapon type and the amount of kills, with the types of kills, increase certain skills on it. Like "reach x kills with the HMG increases it's stability". I know what you're trying to say. It's a good idea, but most folks will read the "like the CoD" part and immediately stop reading. lol
True sadly I don't know what else to compare it too. Comparing it to EVE wouldn't be very accurate either as well. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
446
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Posted - 2013.09.16 10:49:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:EVE players get a remap of their core skills on a yearly basis.
While not their skills on the whole, for a FPS such as this, perhaps a yearly remap wouldn't be too bad? Maybe every 6 mo.? Thats a long time in terms of a game like this. CoD replaces it's games with a new edition yearly. While DUST may not go that route, expecting people to be playing 1-2 years from now is unlikely, at best. Need to work within that time frame. Not quite correct. They get a remap of their attributes, which affect how fast skills are trained.
Yes, what you said. Sorry, it was late when I made that post.
I did mean attributes. |
Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
165
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:05:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:once all the suits and vehicles come out a total respec and then never ever again
Your assuming that more new suits/vehicles will not be added once all the racial variant are added. So once we have all those and then they add more (Jove Drop Suit anyone?) are you expecting another respec?
No respecs. Simple. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3618
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:34:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:once all the suits and vehicles come out a total respec and then never ever again I'd be more inclined to say a limited one that gives back points only in changed areas, but this is generally the right idea.
NEVER any system to buy them, not even if it's limited to one per year or anything like that. Any means of redoing your character either by a schedule or for AURUM is unacceptable. |
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