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KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:00:00 -
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Whether organized or not, many members of Dust University have taken to these forums with a Pro AA, Anti KB/M stance.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1296686#post1296686
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1280575#post1280575
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1285608#post1285608
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1285555#post1285555
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1278534#post1278534
If you oppose the addition of AA to this game, and want to preserve KB/M, you need to get involved and voice your opinion. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
79
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:06:00 -
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I oppose both... Soooo.... ... |
Terram Nenokal
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:13:00 -
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The game is fine. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
1650
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:13:00 -
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I think AA needs to be nerfed a little but I think AA should stay as long as there is KBM.
Also lol. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
350
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:16:00 -
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D-Uni has a lot of members. So that there are multiple members against KB/M isn't a surprise. There are also a few of the reverse (Czsiksent Mihalyi is who I'm thinking of here).
Also, the low average SP totals of D-Uni members means that they're the community members most benefiting from AA.
As far as my stance is concerned... As a tanker, I want to keep KB/M around, and idgaf about AA :) |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
468
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:18:00 -
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I don't see what this has to do with Dust University? All I see is a few people from a corporation of thousands expressing their personal opinions. For example my opinion is that there should be no KB/M allowed on this game to keep an even playing field. Also, I don't think Aim Assist is the right direction to take this game if you want the game to be a competative game. If you are aiming it to be a casual man's shooter perhaps, but not if you ever want to see professional tourneys. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
878
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Posted - 2013.09.14 00:24:00 -
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lol... you seem to forget dust university is the largest corp in the game...
over 1300 members at the moment I believe
so with so many people in the corp chances are you're gonna have a bunch of them agreeing on a topic...
great conspiracy thread though...
you know its not just people from my corp who feel this way, does that mean the other corps are in a conspiracy with us to ruin your gaming experience?
next you should look at how many people who are for AA also have an "A" in their name...you may find a connection there as well |
Naedeus
DUST University
Ivy League
153
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:25:00 -
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Our members have just as much right to voice their opinion on game mechanics as everyone else here on the forums. Just because there is a large group from D-UNI who are pro-aim assist and anti-KB/M, doesn't mean the administrative staff is going around telling our members to push a certain topic so we can influence the game development...
Because if that was the case... I personally would want to see things that we won't see until four or five years down the line. IE: Corporation lobby where you can leave your merc quarters and meet up with other members, a squad / team based training area that gains zero ISK and zero SP per match, rogue drones, bars, character creator (a proper one.)
Cool conspiracy though. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:33:00 -
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Sorry guys, I need a stronger tin foil hat. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
215
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:34:00 -
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Get over yourself. |
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Naedeus
DUST University
Ivy League
154
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:40:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sorry guys, I need a stronger tin foil hat.
Well, don't I have a solution for you, good sir!
It just so happens that our top leaders are secretly Amarrian slavers. Any and all Minmatar 'students' who apply to Dust University are forced into the mines of Hrober V to mine tin. We'll sell it to you for cheap. 100k per 200 units.
EDIT:
Oh wait, you're a Minmatar... erhm... |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
890
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:08:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sorry guys, I need a stronger tin foil hat.
I don't think a tin foil hat will protect your head from the wall you keep slamming it into.... |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Public Disorder.
447
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:18:00 -
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Dust uni can go eat a d!ck salad, removal of kb/m will be the removal of more than half the dust community, including myself |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
890
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:31:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:removal of kb/m will be the removal of more than half the dust community, including myself
according to the kb/m users most use a DS3 so if they are correct, you guys are a tiny minority... |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
902
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:41:00 -
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I dare any KBM player to play with a DS3, and tell me that aiming is smooth.
I dare.
Reason being, it's jolty and halfassed.
Play Skyrim, and that's the DS3 experience in DUST.
I can forgive Skyrim for its flaw (One of few), due to what it is.
But DUST is a fricking FPS, not a RPG, so this is a inexcusable flaw in game design, which can be resolved most easily with AA. Orgerwise, we are asking a brick maker to reinvent the wheel. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
283
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Posted - 2013.09.14 09:14:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:I don't see what this has to do with Dust University? All I see is a few people from a corporation of thousands expressing their personal opinions. For example my opinion is that there should be no KB/M allowed on this game to keep an even playing field. Also, I don't think Aim Assist is the right direction to take this game if you want the game to be a competative game. If you are aiming it to be a casual man's shooter perhaps, but not if you ever want to see professional tourneys.
If you remove KB/M then kiss good bye to like 20-30% of the playerbase or however many people use KB/M. I cant use the controller worth a **** and I dont think I would play this game if I had to learn a whole new control mechanic.
CCP please put a tag on the screen you see when you are killed, that way you can show who is using KB/M and who is using a controller. I swear you will get killed by both and it wont make a damn bit of difference.
If anything up the controller sensitivity, my brother says its much to slow even at 100% |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
283
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Posted - 2013.09.14 09:16:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Vin Vicious wrote:removal of kb/m will be the removal of more than half the dust community, including myself according to the kb/m users most use a DS3 so if they are correct, you guys are a tiny minority...
Out of my corp of probably 50 or more ACTIVE players, I know only a handful who use a KB/M. Most I know in my corp use controller.
So yea possibly 20 or 30% of the playerbase use KB/M. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University
Ivy League
188
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:22:00 -
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D-UNI, why you do this?  |
Orion Vahid
DUST University
Ivy League
188
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:25:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:I dare any KBM player to play with a DS3, and tell me that aiming is smooth.
I dare.
Reason being, it's jolty and halfassed.
Play Skyrim, and that's the DS3 experience in DUST.
I can forgive Skyrim for its flaw (One of few), due to what it is.
But DUST is a fricking FPS, not a RPG, so this is a inexcusable flaw in game design, which can be resolved most easily with AA. Orgerwise, we are asking a brick maker to reinvent the wheel.
Hmmm...so CCP is too lazy to actually fix the aiming so they just make an aimbot for AR?
Interesting  |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
1658
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:33:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:BARDAS wrote:I don't see what this has to do with Dust University? All I see is a few people from a corporation of thousands expressing their personal opinions. For example my opinion is that there should be no KB/M allowed on this game to keep an even playing field. Also, I don't think Aim Assist is the right direction to take this game if you want the game to be a competative game. If you are aiming it to be a casual man's shooter perhaps, but not if you ever want to see professional tourneys. If you remove KB/M then kiss good bye to like 20-30% of the playerbase or however many people use KB/M. I cant use the controller worth a **** and I dont think I would play this game if I had to learn a whole new control mechanic. CCP please put a tag on the screen you see when you are killed, that way you can show who is using KB/M and who is using a controller. I swear you will get killed by both and it wont make a damn bit of difference. If anything up the controller sensitivity, my brother says its much to slow even at 100%
I learned how to play with a mouse when I started playing PC games. I don't see why you can't learn to use a controller when playing a console game. (Which is more user friendly then a keyboard) |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:49:00 -
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Not going to lie, every time I read AA I think Anti Air and question if I have missed a feature being developed... sorry, that was slightly off topic.
Game Designer // Team True Grit
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Derek Barnes
0uter.Heaven
363
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Posted - 2013.09.14 23:51:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Not going to lie, every time I read AA I think Anti Air and question if I have missed a feature being developed... sorry, that was slightly off topic.
 Exactly AA to me will always mean Anti-Air. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:10:00 -
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Orion Vahid wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:I dare any KBM player to play with a DS3, and tell me that aiming is smooth.
I dare.
Reason being, it's jolty and halfassed.
Play Skyrim, and that's the DS3 experience in DUST.
I can forgive Skyrim for its flaw (One of few), due to what it is.
But DUST is a fricking FPS, not a RPG, so this is a inexcusable flaw in game design, which can be resolved most easily with AA. Orgerwise, we are asking a brick maker to reinvent the wheel. Hmmm...so CCP is too lazy to actually fix the aiming so they just make an aimbot for AR? Interesting
No. It's that you can't "fix" aiming with the gamepad without AimAssist.
Can you reinvent the wheel?
No. It's perfect. But, its useless without an cart to attach it to.
You can refine, and refine the raw input, but without any assistance, aiming sill still be wierd.
But, it doesn't matter. You've already nerfed aiming, so it doesn't matter. Even if it was a wimp of a assist, it's still aimbot to KBM users.
You know what? Delete the DS3, and just port this to PC.
Otherwise, DS3's will always be "OP" or vastly painful to use.
There. I will just leave this topic alone, and let you baffoons nerf aiming some more.
There. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
726
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:27:00 -
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Terram Nenokal wrote:The game is fine.
Wouldn't play it without K/M. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
112
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:30:00 -
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What the hell, my tin foil hat conspiracy theory is proven wrong, and this thread degrades into a tangential flame war, with a response from a DEV no less.
Someone please lock this thread, the AA/MOUSE/DS3 argument already has too may homes on this forum. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1322
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Posted - 2013.09.15 00:55:00 -
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omg this again?
this is a console game, if you expect to play this game with something from PC, then oh ******* well, youl have to deal with the consequences of your choice.
im not an advocate of aim assist NOR am I against it, but its ******* stupid for KB/M users to come here demanding that console players play like PC players when were on a CONSOLE GAME, it makes no ******* sense..
for console players, we don't have any comfort when playing pc, we cant use our controllers when were trying to go on PC games.... you should count yourself lucky that CCP is allowing you to use your PC **** to play on CONSOLE. |
Martin Luther Keyboard
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.15 01:51:00 -
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Yes, Yes! We must stand together my brothers and sisters, instead of segregation we must reach for equality!
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
114
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Posted - 2013.09.15 02:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma.
CURSE WORDS! CURSE WORDS!
dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma.
CURSE WORDS! CURSE WORDS!
dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma, dogma dogma.
AHH A LIE, A LIE, A WHAT A TERRIBLE LIEEEEE!
This isn't about console vs PC, it's about serious gamers versus entitled whiners. PC style input is a reality for this game, because the reality of this game will not be limited to the PS3 forever. So you can ragequit now, or ragequit when the PC port comes.
CCP should make the Mouse as good as possible, and the DS3 as good at possible, without providing any artificial assistance to the player.
Also, you can use a joystick on just about any PC game. I used to use it for City of Heroes of all things. 90% of games on pc use Direct Input, which allows for any input device that can be configured as an HID, including PS3/Xbox controllers.
Sorry, had to get that out of my system, now please lock this embarrassment of a thread before I'm forced to buy Dust Uni some drinks. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
905
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:10:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:What the hell, my tin foil hat conspiracy theory is proven wrong, and this thread degrades into a tangential flame war, with a response from a DEV no less.
Someone please lock this thread, the AA/MOUSE/DS3 argument already has too may homes on this forum.
you opened Pandora's box, you must know it can never be closed |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
281
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Posted - 2013.09.15 04:44:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Truncated to avoid pyramid posting....
Sorry, had to get that out of my system, now please lock this embarrassment of a thread before I'm forced to buy Dust Uni some drinks.
While no polling has been conducted, there have been several of us who play or have played while drinking large quantities of beer. |
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Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
1662
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Posted - 2013.09.15 07:37:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:Sorry, had to get that out of my system, now please lock this embarrassment of a thread before I'm forced to buy Dust Uni some drinks.
I kinda want some drinks  |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
120
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Posted - 2013.09.15 07:49:00 -
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Hmm all the hate for the aiming vis whatever control method, for the record I have turned off aim assist and have no problems aiming with a DS3, funny how someone mentioned SKYRIM where that was never an issue for me either |
Torneido Achura
Suicidal Business Inc.
41
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:40:00 -
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Balance and Improvement, will be really hard to achieve while these two keep living on the same game (DS and kbm).
Also mark these words: "No beast can haz two masters"; but have it your way CCP, have your fu***** mess your way [:rollol:]
I going to tell you a little story: One day I logged into Dust, went into some skirmish and from nowhere raspberry appeared, he killed my standard AV fit from one headshot with a Scrambler, GÇ£cool headshot with that precious weaponGÇ¥ I thought, I respawn with another fit with 500HP and yes I encounter him again and bang headshot, bang, I respawn again, same fit, only thing was.. he was closer this time, bang, headshot.
No more than 3 minutes have passed since our first encounter, and that situation make me realize the first sentence of this post of mine.
Not against, but know this fellas: "there's nowhere to go but up if you're down" then that sentence equals to "thereGÇÖs nowhere to go but AR if you want to enjoy Dust" and "You wanna be supadupa in Dust514? then go Kb/M"
(well, before the super AA lol) |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
227
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Posted - 2013.09.15 08:50:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Not going to lie, every time I read AA I think Anti Air and question if I have missed a feature being developed... sorry, that was slightly off topic.
Perhaps because you appear to be an Air-to-Air or Air-to-Ground cannon ...
...Actually, a more contemporary naming for you would prolly be Guns-Guns-Guns |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University
Ivy League
185
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Posted - 2013.09.15 09:39:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Balance and Improvement, will be really hard to achieve while these two keep living on the same game (DS and kbm).
Also mark these words: "No beast can haz two masters"; but have it your way CCP, have your fu***** mess your way [:rollol:]
So racing games could also not have great stick and wheel support? Games like Forza have evolved to a point where sticks aren't just playable and fun, but even vaguely competitive. Chiefly thanks to something called steering assist, which adjusts your steering sensitivity based on your current speed. Sounds familiar?
Now, unlike steering wheels, keyboard and mouse are not built for shooters, they are built for spreadsheets. Even though I love playing with the mouse, and I don't want CCP to either remove or gimp mouse controls, if the time ever comes that sticks are superior due to aim assist, I will not complain. I will then decide whether I stick with the mouse or try to get some skills with sticks.
I can totally understand if stick users are a bit miffed about aim assist, since it takes away from their hard earned manual aiming skills, but mouse users complaining about aim assist is truly pathetic in my view. |
Torneido Achura
Suicidal Business Inc.
41
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Posted - 2013.09.15 11:36:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Balance and Improvement, will be really hard to achieve while these two keep living on the same game (DS and kbm).
Also mark these words: "No beast can haz two masters"; but have it your way CCP, have your fu***** mess your way [:rollol:]
So racing games could also not have great stick and wheel support? Games like Forza have evolved to a point where sticks aren't just playable and fun, but even vaguely competitive. Chiefly thanks to something called steering assist, which adjusts your steering sensitivity based on your current speed. Sounds familiar? Now, unlike steering wheels, keyboard and mouse are not built for shooters, they are built for spreadsheets. Even though I love playing with the mouse, and I don't want CCP to either remove or gimp mouse controls, if the time ever comes that sticks are superior due to aim assist, I will not complain. I will then decide whether I stick with the mouse or try to get some skills with sticks. I can totally understand if stick users are a bit miffed about aim assist, since it takes away from their hard earned manual aiming skills, but mouse users complaining about aim assist is truly pathetic in my view.
Come on lady, we are in a FPS not some driving simulator.. things totallly different, inputs on driving sims don't take in count precision.
Aim assist, as so many have said, is usual on console cuz the "sticks" (are called analogs btw) aren't precise enough, I'm pro AA but I laugh at the idea of CCP saying that because of it: mouse and the "sticks" are on equal grounds, especially if they need to make the AA so frickin strong to the point where I donGÇÖt feel like some kills are deserved, to me, even though I have the AA off.
My point is: doesn't matter how much CCP struggles to have balance they might never deliver it cuz in some ways, or in one form or another, people having different inputs and different fits can benefit from a special setup; lets say Mouse benefits in the long run from Scrambler pistols making them the FOTM for kbm users, then CCP will need to tone it down to the ground and it will require time to fix, consumig time for other things, probably would hurt Dualshock players, affect balance overall, change the battlegrounds once more, and so on.. In resume, yes having two masters is a problem in this case.
Oh, and the MoveGun ain't a problem because of its shi******* overall, in almost any game; but don't believe me if you'd like, just ask anyone who spent money on that dust accumulator.
But as I said: we are playing their mess, and we like this (soon to become) "niche game".
Hehe.. niche.. oh M.A.G. T-T |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University
Ivy League
186
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Posted - 2013.09.15 11:44:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Balance and Improvement, will be really hard to achieve while these two keep living on the same game (DS and kbm).
Also mark these words: "No beast can haz two masters"; but have it your way CCP, have your fu***** mess your way [:rollol:]
So racing games could also not have great stick and wheel support? Games like Forza have evolved to a point where sticks aren't just playable and fun, but even vaguely competitive. Chiefly thanks to something called steering assist, which adjusts your steering sensitivity based on your current speed. Sounds familiar? Now, unlike steering wheels, keyboard and mouse are not built for shooters, they are built for spreadsheets. Even though I love playing with the mouse, and I don't want CCP to either remove or gimp mouse controls, if the time ever comes that sticks are superior due to aim assist, I will not complain. I will then decide whether I stick with the mouse or try to get some skills with sticks. I can totally understand if stick users are a bit miffed about aim assist, since it takes away from their hard earned manual aiming skills, but mouse users complaining about aim assist is truly pathetic in my view. Come on lady, we are in a FPS not some driving simulator.. things totallly different, inputs on driving sims don't take in count precision. [..]
?? Have you ever played a driving simulation?
It's exactly the same situation, and while the two input methods will never be entirely equal, it's proof that you can in fact have two masters and do just fine. Even if the best racers still use wheels, it's not like you can't play quite decently with sticks. |
G Torq
ALTA B2O
227
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Posted - 2013.09.15 12:17:00 -
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Torneido Achura wrote:Oh, and the MoveGun ain't a problem because of its shi******* overall, in almost any game; but don't believe me if you'd like, just ask anyone who spent money on that dust accumulator.
According to Insomniac, the PS Move was shown to be notably superior to the regular SixAxis/DualShock3 in several trials and in online-play.
You might not like it, and might not be competent with it, but it IS quite powerful. |
Torneido Achura
Suicidal Business Inc.
41
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Posted - 2013.09.15 12:18:00 -
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Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:Torneido Achura wrote:Balance and Improvement, will be really hard to achieve while these two keep living on the same game (DS and kbm).
Also mark these words: "No beast can haz two masters"; but have it your way CCP, have your fu***** mess your way [:rollol:]
So racing games could also not have great stick and wheel support? Games like Forza have evolved to a point where sticks aren't just playable and fun, but even vaguely competitive. Chiefly thanks to something called steering assist, which adjusts your steering sensitivity based on your current speed. Sounds familiar? Now, unlike steering wheels, keyboard and mouse are not built for shooters, they are built for spreadsheets. Even though I love playing with the mouse, and I don't want CCP to either remove or gimp mouse controls, if the time ever comes that sticks are superior due to aim assist, I will not complain. I will then decide whether I stick with the mouse or try to get some skills with sticks. I can totally understand if stick users are a bit miffed about aim assist, since it takes away from their hard earned manual aiming skills, but mouse users complaining about aim assist is truly pathetic in my view. Come on lady, we are in a FPS not some driving simulator.. things totallly different, inputs on driving sims don't take in count precision. [...] OMG you're right
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