Yeah, because redline sniping provides such useful overwatch.

When I've tried sniping on the new maps, I had much more success when I actually went past the redline. But, see, that means you have to risk yourself. I know that's hard for you, being a sniper, but it does so much more for you than whining on the forums.

Yeah, because redline sniping provides such useful overwatch.

When I've tried sniping on the new maps, I had much more success when I actually went past the redline. But, see, that means you have to risk yourself. I know that's hard for you, being a sniper, but it does so much more for you than whining on the forums.

CCP, you have no idea just how badly you broke this role with the new maps.
An overwatch role that can't overwatch anything.

I can run sniper on the new maps fine, the main problem is 1.4 has brought back the terrible hit detection for TAC sniper rifles. I am getting to many blue flares from shields with no damage dealt.

But all in all, CCP want assault class', with AR.

Yeah, because redline sniping provides such useful overwatch.

When I've tried sniping on the new maps, I had much more success when I actually went past the redline. But, see, that means you have to risk yourself. I know that's hard for you, being a sniper, but it does so much more for you than whining on the forums.

The new structures are great. Sucks for snipers, true. But that's why you have skill points to try out new things. Complaining wont get you anywhere.

Snipers are useless.

They are, on the new maps.
They are limited to the role of "fire support", and moving with infantry, which is not a very good role for them.

The ranges that fire support occur at, they are better off making use of utility weapons like ARs and Scramblers, otherwise, with their sniper rifles, they are simply dead weight, and an extra kill for hostiles.

Why can't people see this?

No pretty much in every game. Lonewolf soloists who do nothing for the team on the objectives where it matters.

Sniping is OP. You shouldn't be able to kill a third of the enemies on a domination game just by sitting on a mountain.

I agree snipers have been stuffed with the new maps, and you have to understand that for me to admit this is hard, I have very little sympathy for you annoying people :P.

When the new medium to long ranged rifles come out (rail rifles!! :D) it'll give snipers the opportunity, and alternative, for a more close-ish combat support role, especially in the new city maps, since rail rifles are supposed to be a high damage, long ranged, slow firing/semi-automatic rifle.

IDK, im just looking at this from a different perspective :3.

Now your OP is much more constructive, I'm going to also be more constructive. Long post cooking now.
I appreciate you may be frustrated with what I posted earlier, but redline sniping is a terrible part of the game and I have genuinely had some success on the new maps sniping by going in. Looking at your suggested sites though, I agree with them.

I think there are more problems with the sniper class as a whole, though. I'll add a long post to this thread shortly.

Forgive my frustration, it just irritates me that folks know it's broken for snipers, but then act like it isn't just because they hate the role.
There are indeed many problems with the sniper role mostly centered on the weapon imo. The sniper rifle weapon itself was balanced for the Codex build, but nothing today remotely resembles Codex.

The sway in ADS was meant to regulate quick-scoping at closer range, it also enforces a mandatory settling time to line up and fire a 100% steadied shot; just wiggling your big toe causes you to seizure and throws the sway haywire again, penalizing you for the slightest possible movement. This feature is a big problem at engagement ranges of 100-150m, where a lot of snipers are finding themselves in the new maps (it's either get close, or be useless. Non-sniper players don't mind this. It makes snipers easier to kill, which is all they care about, but building a map and balancing can't be done with just their viewpoint in mind.)
Closing in on a sniper is not difficult at this point, and a player needs to only be at 80-100m to knock a sniper out in a flash. At that point, you find sniper's finding it more reasonable to pick up a utility weapon. The 100m range belongs to utility weapons, not sniper rifles.

The weapons have small clips, and longer reload times compared to their utility weapon counterparts, and as it stands right now, doing what's necessary to use a sniper rifle as fire support in a match usually gets you killed in the heat of battle. Blending in with the environment is not reliable due to prevalence of active scanners, and even at the edge of utility weapon range, the dps from an AR or Scrambler rifle at the edge of their effective (not absolute) range is still generally fast enough to put a sniper down before he can get off a 2nd round.

I wish I could share footage... maybe I'll go and purchase an input capture box today. I keep putting it off.

In addition to elevated or complex structures on the new maps at key postiions. I also propose only 2 changes to the sniper rifle itself:

- Eliminate sway penalty for movement while crouched.
This has little bearing on Overwatch Snipers, but this will enable Fire Support Snipers to be more useful than fodder, since it will allow them to move back and forth from behind cover, without totally losing their aim constantly.

- Eliminate sway penalty when NOT moving while standing.
Again, Fire Support Snipers benefit from this. This will allow snipers to stop in the middle of a fight, and take a quick shot at someone with zero sway, but if they try to strafe, they will instantly lose their aim.

No pretty much in every game. Lonewolf soloists who do nothing for the team on the objectives where it matters.

Anyone who talks about "giving snipers a more close range role" is both stupid and ignorant. Listen carefully: SNIPERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FAR AWAY. That's the nature of the role, and the definition of the term. If you can't understand that, or are trying to change it, you deserve to drown in your own urine. Your annoyance and frustration (and that's all it is) at being killed from a long distance is meaningless. It gives you no credibility or relevance.



I snipe because every enemy I put down is one less enemy shooting my squad, hacking an objective, healing/reviving other enemies, etc. I also destroy uplinks and nanohives. I soften up heavies for my team. If none of this counts as "actively supporting my team", then screw you.

I can't speak for all solo snipers, but if you see them with a lot of kills at the end of a match, then you know that they at least tried to do their job. You may not have been in squad with them, so you may not know what good they did do. Plenty of times, I've received complaints by ignorant fools that weren't even aware that I saved their clone a number of times.

The Rail RIfle's coming out, may or may not help. The chance exists for people to simply flock to it, like they did the Tactical Assault Rifle. But we'll see. I may drop scrambler rifle and go to it, and thanks for being considerate enough to admit that. Snipers have a role to play in this game, albeit an annoying one.

I wont deny it requires skill and a skill I don't have, but bodies on the ground and in the fight are always better than bodies 500m+ away.