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TheEnd762
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Posted - 2013.09.13 22:25:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yeah, because redline sniping provides such useful overwatch.
When I've tried sniping on the new maps, I had much more success when I actually went past the redline. But, see, that means you have to risk yourself. I know that's hard for you, being a sniper, but it does so much more for you than whining on the forums.
You need to jam a sock in your ignorance faucet. No one is complaining about not being able to over watch from behind the redline or redline snipe in the new maps. Any sniper worth a single ISK unit never snipes from the redline, except once in a blue moon to countersnipe someone else, and overwatching from the redline is nearly impossible on EVERY map. We're taking issue with the removal/lack of sniper-friendly structures within the neutral area of the map. It's this giant middle-finger to snipers that will not push them down into the field, shoulder-to-shoulder with the AR cannon-fodder (where they DO NOT EVER BELONG ANYWAY), but back behind or just outside of that redline you so love to jump to as a (misplaced) justification. |
TheEnd762
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Posted - 2013.09.14 21:58:00 -
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Anyone who talks about "giving snipers a more close range role" is both stupid and ignorant. Listen carefully: SNIPERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FAR AWAY. That's the nature of the role, and the definition of the term. If you can't understand that, or are trying to change it, you deserve to drown in your own urine. Your annoyance and frustration (and that's all it is) at being killed from a long distance is meaningless. It gives you no credibility or relevance.
True Adamance wrote:No pretty much in every game. Lonewolf soloists who do nothing for the team on the objectives where it matters.
I snipe because every enemy I put down is one less enemy shooting my squad, hacking an objective, healing/reviving other enemies, etc. I also destroy uplinks and nanohives. I soften up heavies for my team. If none of this counts as "actively supporting my team", then screw you. |
TheEnd762
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Posted - 2013.09.15 09:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I wont deny it requires skill and a skill I don't have, but bodies on the ground and in the fight are always better than bodies 500m+ away.
If they're "500m+ away" (more like 300m+, since rendering gets choppy after 400m) and killing 4+ enemies instead of "in the fight" and killing maybe 1-2 then dying, then no, they're better off -for the whole team- at a distance. |
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Posted - 2013.09.15 11:29:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Snipers dont hack objectives, snipers dont win the game. (That's not to say that a sniper can't be utilised to do a proper job and actually be helpful)
Snipers support the cannon-fodder who do the hacking, and kill enemies, to prevent them from doing hacking of their own. As I've said:
"I snipe because every enemy I put down is one less enemy shooting my squad, hacking an objective, healing/reviving other enemies, etc. I also destroy uplinks and nanohives. I soften up heavies for my team. If none of this counts as "actively supporting my team", then screw you." |
TheEnd762
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:13:00 -
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People have to start understanding that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as a mid-range sniper. If you have someone with a sniper rifle running with a squad, making the occasional mid-to-long range kill, that it NOT a sniper. That's a "designated marksman". A DM would be better fit with a tac AR or a scrambler, but hey, use what you want. Just don't call someone a sniper just because they carry a sniper rifle. Sniper is a job, a role, not a weapon.
EDIT: And stop trying to push snipers into being DMs! |
TheEnd762
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Posted - 2013.09.16 11:45:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:I'm making good points. Someone has to say something on behalf of snipers, because most snipers are too proud to admit when they're having a hard time.
They go positive in a pub match, and think they're doing well, but can't recognize their own uselessness when they're spending most of the match trying to get a good angle, and watching important firefights happen in places where they can do nothing.
No, you are making good point. You, Cass, Munch, myself, we're the ones trying to make noise. I just don't want to fix what isn't broken. The sniper clearly defined. The sniper rifles we have... aren't perfect, but they're not terrible either. The problem is the levels and the unwashed, ignorant cocktards who whine about snipers because they don't like being killed by anyone but their own kind. |
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Posted - 2013.09.16 13:48:00 -
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George Moros wrote:Another solution would be to simply make a new sniper rifle subclass for the fire support role. Keep existing sniper rifles (and their mechanics) as they are. Add a new sniper rifle that has much shorter optimal (say, 250m), no sway, less damage per shot (less even than tac. sniper), tac sniper RoF, and possibly a larger clip (6-8 rounds). IMHO that would be perfect for snipers who wish to follow their squad and provide fire support.
This would not be a sniper rifle, nor is a sniper one who follows a squad. What you are talking about is a designated marksman, and it's a completely different role/class, separate from sniper. See my above post. |
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