i can see this as an acurate rebuttal to claims of the disparity between ARs and ASRs

buuuttttt......

ARs have gotten out of hand, you HAVE to use it to be competitive, anyone who ISNT using it competitivly and is using something else would stand to gain from switching to either the AR or the ASR/SR


so while i respect that the difference between them is marginal... that doesnt make it any better

and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR.

The counter to the Muzzle climb on the Assault Scrambler isnt the overheating its the Dispersion, while on your vid the AR jumps up after a set of rounds fired, the Ascr jumps more from side to side.

But if you use the AR, your opponent is long dead before it starts to climb, where with the Ascr you can miss a distant target because the gun jumps left to right.

Though this little bit of dispersion or muzzlie climb is very very little, look up APB R Tommygun and then get back on here and talk about muzzle climb.

I esclusivly use the Imperial Scrambler because 1) i dont want to use a gun everyone else uses and 2) the Ascr is extremely underpowered and while the Semi Auto scrambler is a ***** to use at cqc i manage with it.

When i say AR, the scrambler is included, and as much as i do use the ARs they DO need a nerf

and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR.

So, essentially what your saying is this isn't related to the Assault Rifle anymore - it's related to anything that isn't a specialist weapon? Just the bread and butter of the races?

DPS is largely the same and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. This was thrown up because I'm tired of people making false assumptions about weapons they really have no clue about because it just happens to be useful and used by other players who are effective with them.

Range is also a significant factor as Assault Scrambler Rifles, while having the same optimal, have larger fall off range - so by all rights it's a better weapon with the single exception of low armor damage. Of course, this isn't something you really have to worry about considering that it's forefront design and philosophy is for use against shield tankers anyway and considering how many of them are left over from the FotM Caldari Logi, you shouldn't have a problem at all.

I've yet to see any information provided that gives legitimate reasoning, let alone with accurate information, as to why the Assault Rifle should be nerfed.

That a fair poin unfortunately as soon as someone say AR everyone thinks about the Gallente Assault Rifle :/.

step 1: equip proto logi suit of choice
step 2: throw a duvolle AR on it (bonus points for as much proficiancy as you can manage)
setp 3: Allotec Nanohive (rep hive)
step 4: Brick tank with all the leftoveer CPU/PG forget everything else you dont need it

Setep 5: only die to those who dont follow this guide


easily repeatable experament

use this framework with any class (insert ASR if you wish) just brick tank with an assault rifle and only die to huge mistakes and other people using it....

thats an issue, it COMPLETLY domanates any other build, it invalidates any other weapon for all but the most experianced and skilled (SP and RL skils) and every person who uses specialist weapons would be 1000x better off just using an AR and will see a marked increase of effectivness in every situation, even situations where their specialist weapon would of shined

Boomerang post because I apparently can't stress it enough:

"Wow. This is unbelievable - so basically anything with a high fire rate that can you can ADS with is OP?

So, what's the alternative? We all use Shotguns and Sniper Rifles? Team Fortress 514 much?"

Easy. Flux Grenade (removes equipment!) + Mass Driver.

I run Assault as a specialization, it's my job to deal with everything and I know a hundred and one counters to anything infantry based.

Oh I did'nt want to argue against the general statement about HROF weapons beeing to accurate when in ADS. I just wanted to point that most people think this behavier is only likned to the Gallente Assault rifle which is not the case.

In general there need to be more Recoil and dispersion on both weapontrees and the recoils/dispersion should kick in ealier. If you then give both rifles a different Range and DPS profile we are almost done. Right now the biggest difference between the two weapons is the look, the accessibility and the efficacy rating vs shields...imho not enough to justify two seperate weapons

you throw flux... you die...

do you knwo how many people tryed this on me today???

my hive isnt under my feet, its not like you can just walk up and flux it.

if i shoot you first... your not getting back into cover unless your built similarly, you die in under 2 seconds.


thats not a counter... it diddnt coutner me once today or yesterday during my testing, and it wasnt for lack of trying.



if you see someone cooking a granade, charge at them, they are stuck with a granade in their hand without a weapon giving you the 1.5 seconds you need to melt them off the map.

I challenge that theory - and I won't even use an Assault Rifle to prove it.

All i know is that my Heavy, and scout suits are dieing WAAAAAY to quickly

Argue all you want about the how n whys

not a theory... ive spent nearly 2 days doing it...

this felt more like cheating then the good ole invisable shotgunner wars were infamous for.

(most peopel dont know how to stop cooking the granade though, they just kind of fall over and die....)

the point is that for that slip second while your standing their cooking, ive poped out and are already shooting, it takes less then 2 seconds to kill anyone who isnt brick tanked... and yuve just lost half that putting your granade away/ throwing it.

Words are just that. It's a tried and true method used in PC frequently. We can sit here babbling on all night because you think it doesn't work and I am certain that it does - so maybe one day I'll catch you in a public match and show you.

it DID work.

but it takes too long to flux and shoot the MD 3 times for the kill now

more time then the AR can chew through you.

assuming the Ar guy doesnt just pull range on you or use a hill to obscure the MD rounds.


i USE the mass driver, its 1 of my favorite and primary weapons. its not so easy to fight me with it when i know how the thing works. i WILL use the terrain to prevent your shots.

AR has almost zero "muzzle climb", while the AScR has a very noticeable climb.

Plenty of other options.

everyone who tryed it today failed, because i was doing damage long before they were doing damage on me. a couple of times i ate a flux and it diddnt matter, i lost a hive or two occasionally but it diddnt matter... maybe they wernt that good...

unfortuantly i wasnt able to accduratly test agfainst good players... all the good players were brick tanking on rep hives with ARs

Yeah, you're just god's gift to shooters man. Nothing can beat you with all dem words and speculation.

have you met me?

im TERRIBLE

thats why its a problem

IM NOT EVEN GOOD and they couldnt stop me

As stated before in another thread - I deal in facts and numbers, not word of mouth and speculation. Someone said the Scrambler Rifle has more recoil so I went out of my way to show the difference between the two and wouldn't you know it, now that I have, everyone is tying the SRs into the mix and wanting them nerfed as well.

This is RAMBUNCTIOUS. The reason those people suck is because they don't know how to use their weapon effectively and I can almost guarantee that they weren't using it in a squad-based environment which is probably what it was intended for (which basically classifies ANY specialization weapon).

You can't run up on someone with a mass driver and expect to get results. You attack from afar and have the benefit of other team mates shooting at them.

You can't gun down someone with a Laser Rifle and not expect to be vulnerable when you're aiming down the sights or engaging at close range.

These weapons WERE NOT DESIGNED for people to run up and die at 30 meters and then whine and ***** about the assault rifle doing it's job - they're uninformed players who's sole instinct is that if it killed them (the entire point of this game might I add) then it MUST be over-powered because there is no possible way that they did something wrong.

Too many people grew up with World of Warcraft and got a reward everytime they did something. Your average gamer foams at the mouth when you mention "patience" or god for ****ing bid "think". What in the bloody hell did you expect to happen if they just died when they attacked AN ASSAULT RIFLE head on????????

Did you even watch the videos or did you just come in here thinking your uneducated fantasy comments were going to win people over?

How about a year of 99% dedicated AR usage, and then using the AScR to test it out?

Don't need a video to tell me the difference. If you think the AScR is better in terms of "kick", then you need to lay off the shrooms.