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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2853	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:46:00 - [1] - Quote Advanced tier GEK-38 Assault Rifle compared against an advanced tier 'Sinwarden' CRD-9 Assault Scrambler Rifle for recoil on a Commando suit. Things to keep in mind: - Assault Rifle Operation (the skill required to even use the damned things) reduces recoil by 5% per level. I am receiving a 25% reduction. - Assault Rifle Sharpshooter reduces dispersion (not seen in this video) by 5% per level. I am receiving a 10% reduction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0rYoBeVKc&feature=youtu.be As you can see from the video, the Assault Rifle and Assault Scrambler Rifle have similar levels of recoil, the scrambler rifle having slightly (and I mean -SLIGHTLY-) higher. However, at 1/3 to 1/2 of the magazine the Assault Rifle flops in terms of performance due to extreme muzzle climb while the Assault Scrambler Rifle receives absolutely no change. Using the readout of the Turret on the upper right of the weapon in the first demonstration, you can gauge this despite the low resolution of the video by watching the gap between the readout and the sight of the weapon. You will notice that, even with my skills, there is significant muzzle climb with the Assault Rifle and absolutely none with the Assault Scrambler Rifle. So while the Assault Rifle has less recoil (again, this is going to be almost entirely from my skills) the Scrambler Rifle has absolutely no muzzle climb and you can fire away freely. With only Scrambler Rifles Operation 1, overheat isn't even an issue as it takes me almost two entire magazines to overheat it - so kiss that argument goodbye. And now I'm going to run the same test with a brand new character with no AR skills for those non-believers.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2853	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:00:00 - [2] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: i can see this as an acurate rebuttal to claims of the disparity between ARs and ASRs buuuttttt...... ARs have gotten out of hand, you HAVE to use it to be competitive, anyone who ISNT using it competitivly and is using something else would stand to gain from switching to either the AR or the ASR/SR so while i respect that the difference between them is marginal... that doesnt make it any better and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR. So, essentially what your saying is this isn't related to the Assault Rifle anymore - it's related to anything that isn't a specialist weapon? Just the bread and butter of the races? DPS is largely the same and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. This was thrown up because I'm tired of people making false assumptions about weapons they really have no clue about because it just happens to be useful and used by other players who are effective with them. Range is also a significant factor as Assault Scrambler Rifles, while having the same optimal, have larger fall off range - so by all rights it's a better weapon with the single exception of low armor damage. Of course, this isn't something you really have to worry about considering that it's forefront design and philosophy is for use against shield tankers anyway and considering how many of them are left over from the FotM Caldari Logi, you shouldn't have a problem at all. I've yet to see any information provided that gives legitimate reasoning, let alone with accurate information, as to why the Assault Rifle should be nerfed.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2853	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:02:00 - [3] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: The counter to the Muzzle climb on the Assault Scrambler isnt the overheating its the Dispersion, while on your vid the AR jumps up after a set of rounds fired, the Ascr jumps more from side to side. But if you use the AR, your opponent is long dead before it starts to climb, where with the Ascr you can miss a distant target because the gun jumps left to right. Though this little bit of dispersion or muzzlie climb is very very little, look up APB R Tommygun and then get back on here and talk about muzzle climb. I esclusivly use the Imperial Scrambler because 1) i dont want to use a gun everyone else uses and 2) the Ascr is extremely underpowered and while the Semi Auto scrambler is a ***** to use at cqc i manage with it. Again. Skills. I have a video uploading right now showing the effects without those skills using an Aurum 'Blindfire' Assault Rifle so that there is no reduction in recoil. Edit: Also, as I explain in this thread, dispersion is almost entirely cosmetic and not an actual game element with a hit scan system: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=109790
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2853	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:06:00 - [4] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: When i say AR, the scrambler is included, and as much as i do use the ARs they DO need a nerf Wow. This is unbelievable - so basically anything with a high fire rate that can you can ADS with is OP? So, what's the alternative? We all use Shotguns and Sniper Rifles? Team Fortress 514 much?
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2853	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:08:00 - [5] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR. That a fair poin unfortunately as soon as someone say AR everyone thinks about the Gallente Assault Rifle :/. Boomerang post because I apparently can't stress it enough: "Wow. This is unbelievable - so basically anything with a high fire rate that can you can ADS with is OP? So, what's the alternative? We all use Shotguns and Sniper Rifles? Team Fortress 514 much?"
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2854	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:10:00 - [6] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: i can see this as an acurate rebuttal to claims of the disparity between ARs and ASRs buuuttttt...... ARs have gotten out of hand, you HAVE to use it to be competitive, anyone who ISNT using it competitivly and is using something else would stand to gain from switching to either the AR or the ASR/SR so while i respect that the difference between them is marginal... that doesnt make it any better and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR. So, essentially what your saying is this isn't related to the Assault Rifle anymore - it's related to anything that isn't a specialist weapon? Just the bread and butter of the races? DPS is largely the same and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. This was thrown up because I'm tired of people making false assumptions about weapons they really have no clue about because it just happens to be useful and used by other players who are effective with them. Range is also a significant factor as Assault Scrambler Rifles, while having the same optimal, have larger fall off range - so by all rights it's a better weapon with the single exception of low armor damage. Of course, this isn't something you really have to worry about considering that it's forefront design and philosophy is for use against shield tankers anyway and considering how many of them are left over from the FotM Caldari Logi, you shouldn't have a problem at all. I've yet to see any information provided that gives legitimate reasoning, let alone with accurate information, as to why the Assault Rifle should be nerfed. step 1: equip proto logi suit of choice step 2: throw a duvolle AR on it (bonus points for as much proficiancy as you can manage) setp 3: Allotec Nanohive (rep hive) step 4: Brick tank with all the leftoveer CPU/PG forget everything else you dont need it Setep 5: only die to those who dont follow this guide easily repeatable experament use this framework with any class (insert ASR if you wish) just brick tank with an assault rifle and only die to huge mistakes and other people using it.... thats an issue, it COMPLETLY domanates any other build, it invalidates any other weapon for all but the most experianced and skilled (SP and RL skils) and every person who uses specialist weapons would be 1000x better off just using an AR and will see a marked increase of effectivness in every situation, even situations where their specialist weapon would of shined Easy. Flux Grenade (removes equipment!) + Mass Driver. I run Assault as a specialization, it's my job to deal with everything and I know a hundred and one counters to anything infantry based.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2854	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:18:00 - [7] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR. That a fair poin unfortunately as soon as someone say AR everyone thinks about the Gallente Assault Rifle :/. Boomerang post because I apparently can't stress it enough: "Wow. This is unbelievable - so basically anything with a high fire rate that can you can ADS with is OP? So, what's the alternative? We all use Shotguns and Sniper Rifles? Team Fortress 514 much?" Oh I did'nt want to argue against the general statement about HROF weapons beeing to accurate when in ADS. I just wanted to point that most people think this behavier is only likned to the Gallente Assault rifle which is not the case. In general there need to be more Recoil and dispersion on both weapontrees and the recoils/dispersion should kick in ealier. If you then give both rifles a different Range and DPS profile we are almost done. Right now the biggest difference between the two weapons is the look, the accessibility and the efficacy rating vs shields...imho not enough to justify two seperate weapons I disagree. Recoil and dispersion need not be touched if you apply the reductions in other places to make the disparity between the weapons more meaningful to their philosophy. They have the same optimal range, but the Assault Scrambler Rifle has a larger fall off - but both do the same DPS. Suffice to say, the Assault Rifle could stand to lose some range and either gain some damage (unlikely) or the Scrambler could lose some. Those changes would make the weapons more unique and you wouldn't even have to touch recoil/dispersion - despite them being entirely cosmetic and fantastical elements anyway considering hit scan is just a system of vectors intersecting with different things.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2854	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:18:00 - [8] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: i can see this as an acurate rebuttal to claims of the disparity between ARs and ASRs buuuttttt...... ARs have gotten out of hand, you HAVE to use it to be competitive, anyone who ISNT using it competitivly and is using something else would stand to gain from switching to either the AR or the ASR/SR so while i respect that the difference between them is marginal... that doesnt make it any better and when i say AR i mean all 3, AR/SR/ASR. So, essentially what your saying is this isn't related to the Assault Rifle anymore - it's related to anything that isn't a specialist weapon? Just the bread and butter of the races? DPS is largely the same and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. This was thrown up because I'm tired of people making false assumptions about weapons they really have no clue about because it just happens to be useful and used by other players who are effective with them. Range is also a significant factor as Assault Scrambler Rifles, while having the same optimal, have larger fall off range - so by all rights it's a better weapon with the single exception of low armor damage. Of course, this isn't something you really have to worry about considering that it's forefront design and philosophy is for use against shield tankers anyway and considering how many of them are left over from the FotM Caldari Logi, you shouldn't have a problem at all. I've yet to see any information provided that gives legitimate reasoning, let alone with accurate information, as to why the Assault Rifle should be nerfed. step 1: equip proto logi suit of choice step 2: throw a duvolle AR on it (bonus points for as much proficiancy as you can manage) setp 3: Allotec Nanohive (rep hive) step 4: Brick tank with all the leftoveer CPU/PG forget everything else you dont need it Setep 5: only die to those who dont follow this guide easily repeatable experament use this framework with any class (insert ASR if you wish) just brick tank with an assault rifle and only die to huge mistakes and other people using it.... thats an issue, it COMPLETLY domanates any other build, it invalidates any other weapon for all but the most experianced and skilled (SP and RL skils) and every person who uses specialist weapons would be 1000x better off just using an AR and will see a marked increase of effectivness in every situation, even situations where their specialist weapon would of shined Easy. Flux Grenade (removes equipment!) + Mass Driver. I run Assault as a specialization, it's my job to deal with everything and I know a hundred and one counters to anything infantry based. you throw flux... you die... do you knwo how many people tryed this on me today??? my hive isnt under my feet, its not like you can just walk up and flux it. if i shoot you first... your not getting back into cover unless your built similarly, you die in under 2 seconds. thats not a counter... it diddnt coutner me once today or yesterday during my testing, and it wasnt for lack of trying. if you see someone cooking a granade, charge at them, they are stuck with a granade in their hand without a weapon giving you the 1.5 seconds you need to melt them off the map. I challenge that theory - and I won't even use an Assault Rifle to prove it.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2854	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:24:00 - [9] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: All i know is that my Heavy, and scout suits are dieing WAAAAAY to quickly Argue all you want about the how n whys Heavy is probably an outlying problem like HMG damage application - guns not worth squat if it can't hit anything at it's optimal range (hint hint: that recoil/dispersion they're wanting - assuming it even matters - that's what happened to you a few builds ago) Scout.... Well, I have an entire blog about that...
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2854	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:26:00 - [10] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I challenge that theory - and I won't even use an Assault Rifle to prove it. not a theory... ive spent nearly 2 days doing it... this felt more like cheating then the good ole invisable shotgunner wars were infamous for. (most peopel dont know how to stop cooking the granade though, they just kind of fall over and die....) the point is that for that slip second while your standing their cooking, ive poped out and are already shooting, it takes less then 2 seconds to kill anyone who isnt brick tanked... and yuve just lost half that putting your granade away/ throwing it. Words are just that. It's a tried and true method used in PC frequently. We can sit here babbling on all night because you think it doesn't work and I am certain that it does - so maybe one day I'll catch you in a public match and show you.

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2855	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:30:00 - [11] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I challenge that theory - and I won't even use an Assault Rifle to prove it. not a theory... ive spent nearly 2 days doing it... this felt more like cheating then the good ole invisable shotgunner wars were infamous for. (most peopel dont know how to stop cooking the granade though, they just kind of fall over and die....) the point is that for that slip second while your standing their cooking, ive poped out and are already shooting, it takes less then 2 seconds to kill anyone who isnt brick tanked... and yuve just lost half that putting your granade away/ throwing it. Words are just that. It's a tried and true method used in PC frequently. We can sit here babbling on all night because you think it doesn't work and I am certain that it does - so maybe one day I'll catch you in a public match and show you. it DID work. but it takes too long to flux and shoot the MD 3 times for the kill now more time then the AR can chew through you. assuming the Ar guy doesnt just pull range on you or use a hill to obscure the MD rounds. i USE the mass driver, its 1 of my favorite and primary weapons. its not so easy to fight me with it when i know how the thing works. i WILL use the terrain to prevent your shots. Plenty of other options.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2855	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:32:00 - [12] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: AR has almost zero "muzzle climb", while the AScR has a very noticeable climb. Did you even watch the videos or did you just come in here thinking your uneducated fantasy comments were going to win people over?
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2855	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:35:00 - [13] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: everyone who tryed it today failed, because i was doing damage long before they were doing damage on me. a couple of times i ate a flux and it diddnt matter, i lost a hive or two occasionally but it diddnt matter... maybe they wernt that good... unfortuantly i wasnt able to accduratly test agfainst good players... all the good players were brick tanking on rep hives with ARs Yeah, you're just god's gift to shooters man. Nothing can beat you with all dem words and speculation.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2855	Posted - 2013.09.13 10:41:00 - [14] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: everyone who tryed it today failed, because i was doing damage long before they were doing damage on me. a couple of times i ate a flux and it diddnt matter, i lost a hive or two occasionally but it diddnt matter... maybe they wernt that good... unfortuantly i wasnt able to accduratly test agfainst good players... all the good players were brick tanking on rep hives with ARs Yeah, you're just god's gift to shooters man. Nothing can beat you with all dem words and speculation. have you met me? im TERRIBLE thats why its a problem IM NOT EVEN GOOD and they couldnt stop me As stated before in another thread - I deal in facts and numbers, not word of mouth and speculation. Someone said the Scrambler Rifle has more recoil so I went out of my way to show the difference between the two and wouldn't you know it, now that I have, everyone is tying the SRs into the mix and wanting them nerfed as well. This is RAMBUNCTIOUS. The reason those people suck is because they don't know how to use their weapon effectively and I can almost guarantee that they weren't using it in a squad-based environment which is probably what it was intended for (which basically classifies ANY specialization weapon). You can't run up on someone with a mass driver and expect to get results. You attack from afar and have the benefit of other team mates shooting at them. You can't gun down someone with a Laser Rifle and not expect to be vulnerable when you're aiming down the sights or engaging at close range. These weapons WERE NOT DESIGNED for people to run up and die at 30 meters and then whine and *** about the assault rifle doing it's job - they're uninformed players who's sole instinct is that if it killed them (the entire point of this game might I add) then it MUST be over-powered because there is no possible way that they did something wrong. Too many people grew up with World of Warcraft and got a reward everytime they did something. Your average gamer foams at the mouth when you mention "patience" or god for **ing bid "think". What in the bloody hell did you expect to happen if they just died when they attacked AN ASSAULT RIFLE head on????????
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2857	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:01:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: AR has almost zero "muzzle climb", while the AScR has a very noticeable climb. Did you even watch the videos or did you just come in here thinking your uneducated fantasy comments were going to win people over? How about a year of 99% dedicated AR usage, and then using the AScR to test it out? Don't need a video to tell me the difference. If you think the AScR is better in terms of "kick", then you need to lay off the shrooms. Lmfao - dude you're hilarious, AScR doesn't have any muzzle climb at all and I -JUST- proved that no more than an hour ago. Don't need a video to tell you that you're still wrong and I've got evidence to back up my claim. You've just got more words and speculation, like everyone else that ever bitched and complained about anything on these forums.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2857	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:02:00 - [16] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: As stated before in another thread - I deal in facts and numbers, not word of mouth and speculation. Someone said the Scrambler Rifle has more recoil so I went out of my way to show the difference between the two and wouldn't you know it, now that I have, everyone is tying the SRs into the mix and wanting them nerfed as well. This is RAMBUNCTIOUS. The reason those people suck is because they don't know how to use their weapon effectively and I can almost guarantee that they weren't using it in a squad-based environment which is probably what it was intended for (which basically classifies ANY specialization weapon). You can't run up on someone with a mass driver and expect to get results. You attack from afar and have the benefit of other team mates shooting at them. You can't gun down someone with a Laser Rifle and not expect to be vulnerable when you're aiming down the sights or engaging at close range. These weapons WERE NOT DESIGNED for people to run up and die at 30 meters and then whine and *** about the assault rifle doing it's job - they're uninformed players who's sole instinct is that if it killed them (the entire point of this game might I add) then it MUST be over-powered because there is no possible way that they did something wrong. Too many people grew up with World of Warcraft and got a reward everytime they did something. Your average gamer foams at the mouth when you mention "patience" or god for **ing bid "think". What in the bloody hell did you expect to happen if they just died when they attacked AN ASSAULT RIFLE head on???????? the problem is there istn any room for any specialised wepaons (mass driver possably being the exception with its ability to drive people out of cover) in any situation where you are building a squad your better off bringing in 6 assault rifles then any other configuration, for any job, the assault rifle does it better. we dont NEED other weapons for anything, their purpose is served by the assault rifle. ive seen over 9000 heavys runnign around with assault rifles now.... its getting out of hand that if you bring in another weapon your hurting your team. keep in mind, im not an AR user. i blow people up with explosives. so for me to swap to something im unfamiliar with and instantly enter DUST514 godmode was rather startleing i get that your angry, i get that you used to these kinds of arguments. im nto your average gamer. i m not afraid of dieing thousands of times to adjust to something. i use patience and planning to kill, my primary weapon of choice is remote explosives. i can use a novaknife scout and stay positive (even since 1.4 hit) ive been playing this game since closed beta and im one of the top 500 most active players in the game. i am personally fine... this AR BS isnt really efecting me too much outside of forcing me to use more scoutlike tactics and changing what my targets are. im STILL not going to use the damn AR, i hate the thing its just not a creative way to kill people... doesnt mean i dont want other people to use and enjoy it. i get that your angry at your average gamer... but your average gamer i am not. I can't wait to see your corp go up against Red Star or Molon Labe, I really can't.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2860	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:12:00 - [17] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I can't wait to see your corp go up against Red Star or Molon Labe, I really can't. my corp has 3 active members.... your not seeing that anytime soon. Ah, well, maybe one day you'll see how awful it is to be assaulted by Mass Drivers and Forge Guns throughout the entire game.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2861	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:36:00 - [18] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: I can't wait to see your corp go up against Red Star or Molon Labe, I really can't. my corp has 3 active members.... your not seeing that anytime soon. Ah, well, maybe one day you'll see how awful it is to be assaulted by Mass Drivers and Forge Guns throughout the entire game. forge gun on a power point is uncounterable and a different class different leuge all together. mass drivers are my love... and skilled MD users will scare the crap out of most people when they show up in large numbers. these are just simple truths. ( i <3 the breach MD) maybe its a learning curve thing, maybe the AR is so dominating becuase new players can grab it and dominate with it, but specialised weapons require specialised tactics. maybe thats why the AR was so damn deadly in my hands yesterday, it felt dirty... it felt like i wasnt even giving thema chance to dive into cover. maybe it just signals the end of the old metagame and the birth of a very very cover intensive metagame where you arnt leaving cover unless you have a real plan on where your next piece of cover is. this would actually be great, we woud finally see the battle lines drawn and a no-mans land of death start to form. hell maybe this isnt even a bad thing at all. i suppose that i should probably just wait and see and do what i do best instead of worrying about what others do you have actually cinvinced me this isnt so bad afterall... maybe its the sleep dep thats made me go slightly ******** and defencive... im going to re-assess this... and find a new corp Alternatively you could just use a weapon that requires more skill to use.. Not like it's shameful or anything.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2861	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:14:00 - [19] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Range is also a significant factor as Assault Scrambler Rifles, while having the same optimal, have larger fall off range - so by all rights it's a better weapon with the single exception of low armor damage... I've yet to see any information provided that gives legitimate reasoning, let alone with accurate information, as to why the Assault Rifle should be nerfed. Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: At that distance I thought I was going to get away. ^ Scouts ... they move so fast. Also, I'd like to win CQC fights with my severely range-restricted shotgun. When I do manage to get into optimal range, it shouldn't be a "toss up" if the guy happens to have an AR. I'd like to think my reasoning is legitimate, Aeon. I accept that you may not. You have my respect, either way. - Shotty GoBang Shotty, I have a lot of respect for you - you know this. But I just can't validate that the Assault Rifle is just this end all weapon that is over powered... In fact, I'm convinced that everything else is just.. Broken! I mean, everything being slated for comparison is radically different in play style and the like, you consider that the Shotgun has a maximum range of 15-20 meters; it's not exactly a fair contender, it's a bit out of the weight class. The point I'm trying to make is that HMGs, Shotguns, hell even Mass Drivers all should have their niche -against- the Assault Rifle, they should be balanced AROUND the Assault Rifle for different fields because it is, after all, the bread and butter of both the modern soldier and the traditional shooter. If you spend your entire time trying to work the Assault Rifle into this little square of a niche between everything else it's just going to wind up buffing everything else by comparison to simply nerfing it. Honestly - I say we just leave it be until Combat and Rail Rifles come in so that we have some kind of measurement to tie them all up to.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2883	Posted - 2013.09.13 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: When i say AR, the scrambler is included, and as much as i do use the ARs they DO need a nerf Wow. This is unbelievable - so basically anything with a high fire rate that can you can ADS with is OP? So, what's the alternative? We all use Shotguns and Sniper Rifles? Team Fortress 514 much? The problem is its not ADS its just a scrub hipfirefest thanks to improved AA Wheres the skill in that?? Plus an AR kills a heavy HMG?? Thats wrong. AR needs a nerf. Now excuse me while I go use my one thousand duvolle ARs and one thousand GEKs that I have in inventory. If you're still hip-firing in this game with AA on, you're doing something very very wrong.