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Long Evity wrote:

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Long Evity wrote:

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Long Evity wrote:

Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting?

Nub514. Bear

the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority.

the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA...

as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes.

this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters.

I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players.

it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad...

now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore...

this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter...

Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant?

I didn't even mention kb/m....

did you understand my post, or even read it?

"This game needs growth thus AA is good."

Right?

... Did EVE care about growth? So why the sudden caring? I think this has more to do with CCP's failure to do something right then them considering the noob experience.

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Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:36:00 - [1] - Quote Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 660	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:38:00 - [2] - Quote The two times I've been a ringer in PC, I was in my tank.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 286	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:39:00 - [3] - Quote Remove KB/M then if you people are so scarred ofthe game being unfair
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:40:00 - [4] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Remove KB/M then if you people are so scarred ofthe game being unfair Best players around have always been DS3 users. Whose afraid of KB/M? It's just gives advantage to sniper/forges. Get out of here with that weak shyt.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 613	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:41:00 - [5] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Remove KB/M then if you people are so scarred ofthe game being unfair ^
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote Oh look, the bad players are now pointing at KB/M being unfair. Lol
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 288	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:44:00 - [7] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Oh look, the bad players are now pointing at KB/M being unfair. Lol You obviously arnt very good. I have a KB/M hooked up to my ps3 and it has better aiming than the DS3. Stop trying to ruin dust.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Long Evity wrote: Oh look, the bad players are now pointing at KB/M being unfair. Lol You obviously arnt very good. I have a KB/M hooked up to my ps3 and it has better aiming than the DS3. Stop trying to ruin dust. Yet, 13ear and Regnyum - arguably the best players in dust, are DS3 users? Are you a best player in Dust514 I don't see how your 'opinion' sways anything in this debate. KB/M has it's advantages, surely, Sniper and forge sniping be 2 of them. But in most cases KB/M plays in fair ground with DS3. Only scrubs who need excuses for dying think otherwise.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4559	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:46:00 - [9] - Quote DS3
DootDoot Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:47:00 - [10] - Quote No because it wasn't here before no one in PC used tactic's they just rushed around on road's and didn't use cover or hide behind boxes.... Now with it... all those players with "skill" will pay for clone packs to come and attack and teach everyone how to play the game with skill! Sarcasm in case your wondering

Cosgar ParagonX 5198	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:47:00 - [11] - Quote Good players: Learn from their deaths and don't make the same mistakes again. Bad players: Make the same mistakes and blame the game for their deaths.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 288	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:50:00 - [12] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Long Evity wrote: Oh look, the bad players are now pointing at KB/M being unfair. Lol You obviously arnt very good. I have a KB/M hooked up to my ps3 and it has better aiming than the DS3. Stop trying to ruin dust. Yet, 13ear and Regnyum - arguably the best players in dust, are DS3 users? Are you a best player in Dust514 I don't see how your 'opinion' sways anything in this debate. KB/M has it's advantages, surely, Sniper and forge sniping be 2 of them. But in most cases KB/M plays in fair ground with DS3. Only scrubs who need excuses for dying think otherwise. Thats because skill isnt about what your using to play or aim assist. A good player is good because they understand how the game work, bad players will be bad no matter what as well, so stop trying to make up excuses.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:50:00 - [13] - Quote Bad players: Now there's tactics involved! You can't just run in and slaughter us all since we can't aim! Good players: ... then how about get good? CCP: BUT WE NEED MONEY. AIMBOT - GO!
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:52:00 - [14] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Long Evity wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Long Evity wrote: Oh look, the bad players are now pointing at KB/M being unfair. Lol You obviously arnt very good. I have a KB/M hooked up to my ps3 and it has better aiming than the DS3. Stop trying to ruin dust. Yet, 13ear and Regnyum - arguably the best players in dust, are DS3 users? Are you a best player in Dust514 I don't see how your 'opinion' sways anything in this debate. KB/M has it's advantages, surely, Sniper and forge sniping be 2 of them. But in most cases KB/M plays in fair ground with DS3. Only scrubs who need excuses for dying think otherwise. Thats because skill isnt about what your using to play or aim assist. A good player is good because they understand how the game work, bad players will be bad no matter what as well, so stop trying to make up excuses. actually this is an excuse. A good player is defined by more then understanding - it's skill. He can aim faster, and better then you. Now that's taken away and the only thing left is 'tactics' Only understanding of the game makes you good. If that's fine with you then why don't you just admit you're bad and needed the crutch
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4559	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:56:00 - [15] - Quote It you killed a tank with a HMG,they don't forget it
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 288	Posted - 2013.09.13 03:58:00 - [16] - Quote Long Evity wrote: actually this is an excuse. A good player is defined by more then understanding - it's skill. He can aim faster, and better then you. Now that's taken away and the only thing left is 'tactics' Only understanding of the game makes you good. If that's fine with you then why don't you just admit you're bad and needed the crutch I play with KB/M Also, a person who better understands maps and where people are (a.k.a. use tactics) will most of the time do better than someone who just reacts faster and aims better without using tactics. Being skilled at shooters helps make up for this but tactics will always win first, skill dosent help if the people shooting you can get the drop on you.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1296	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:04:00 - [17] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. What I find interesting is that everyone who argues your side of the debate chooses to attack other people (specifically those who use aim assist) to prove a point. I find that distasteful and you're alienating a lot of people from seeing your side of the argument if you're going down this path.
Rynoceros Rise of Old Dudes 699	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:04:00 - [18] - Quote By the title, I thought this was going to be a dev post about tutorials.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 487	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:08:00 - [19] - Quote Remove DS3 and KBM, PS Move only!!
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1945	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:10:00 - [20] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. Dude most of the best players I know don't even participate in PC, and some of the worst I do know do.... PC is meaningless.

Dengru SyNergy Gaming EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:22:00 - [21] - Quote where are you guys even fighting kb/m users so consistently that you need aim assist to be competitive?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 871	Posted - 2013.09.13 04:56:00 - [22] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter...
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:01:00 - [23] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 872	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:12:00 - [24] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant? I didn't even mention kb/m.... did you understand my post, or even read it?
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:20:00 - [25] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant? I didn't even mention kb/m.... did you understand my post, or even read it? "This game needs growth thus AA is good." Right? ... Did EVE care about growth? So why the sudden caring? I think this has more to do with CCP's failure to do something right then them considering the noob experience.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2406	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:22:00 - [26] - Quote I aim for tacos. I get tacos.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 60	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:31:00 - [27] - Quote I like the flare that matches have taken on since 1.4. Battles are intense, the scanner thing is great in my opinion, and team work has become even more important than before. Unfortunately most of the changes in the feel and flow of battles is due to Aim Assist. I know, I know. Hit detection blah blah blah, larger hit boxes blah blah blah, less dispersion blah blah blah. The Aim Assist has had nothing at all to do with the recent changes. It's not the Aim Assist pulling my sights around when aiming at groups of reds, it's the combination of hit detection tweaks, strafing speed changes, and the gravitational pull of the sun is messing with CCPs servers. Now, when I look at the number of people who wanted a nerf on the AR pre 1.4, then look at the number of people who want to keep Aim Assist in place now, I can't help but feel that those numbers are both too large to be 2 completely separate groups. Which means there's at least a few people on both sides. Which means someone has been telling tales out of school. If you want the game to be "fair", give us only 1 suit, 1 gun, no modules, no vehicles, no orbital strikes, and permanent death in each match. If I kill a dude, it's not really fair that he can come back and maybe kill me. I don't play online shooters to be competitive. You know those childrens Tee Ball Leagues that don't keep score because it's not about winning or losing, and god forbid someone gets their feelings hurt.............. ...........anyway.......... Keep Aim Assist. **** it, why not. My heart says no, but my KDR says yes. Aim Assist; helping to prevent arthritis by reducing stress on the right thumb since 9/4/2013
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:33:00 - [28] - Quote Lots of proof in here that bad players want the crutch.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 872	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:44:00 - [29] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant? I didn't even mention kb/m.... did you understand my post, or even read it? "This game needs growth thus AA is good." Right? ... Did EVE care about growth? So why the sudden caring? I think this has more to do with CCP's failure to do something right then them considering the noob experience. I never said this game needs AA for growth... read it again... get someone to help you with the big words...
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 2406	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:53:00 - [30] - Quote I was awesome before AA. I could care less if they took it out.



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