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Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 131	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:12:00 - [31] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant? I didn't even mention kb/m.... did you understand my post, or even read it? "This game needs growth thus AA is good." Right? ... Did EVE care about growth? So why the sudden caring? I think this has more to do with CCP's failure to do something right then them considering the noob experience. I never said this game needs AA for growth... read it again... get someone to help you with the big words... excuse me - but I've been drinking, care to TL;DR? I've obviously missed your point twice.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 873	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:19:00 - [32] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Long Evity wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: the best players in dust are irrelevant in this matter, because they are the minority. the majority are indifferent or in favor of AA, but its not just AA... as you are well aware, they tweaked hit detection and our hit boxes. this is what has overloaded our senses, the feel of the game is very different now, and those finely trained reflexes don't produce the results you expect, because the game is adhering to a different set of parameters. I cant imagine the best players really care, seeing as how they are the best players. it would makes sense to me that the worst players should be the ones complaining, since they need a reason as to why they suck so bad... now im sure you have names in mind when you say the best players... but if those names are getting out done by noobs with AA, then, they aren't the best players anymore... this game is in dire need of growth, and still to small to make room for the clubhouse mentality. you should be fostering its growth instead of attempting to segregate it into groups of who's opinion does and doesn't matter... Hold on - the best DS3 users, who are the best in dust, are irrelevant in a discussion started with, "To be fair get kid of KB/M because its unfair?" Really? Are you sure just didn't find an opening to start a rant? I didn't even mention kb/m.... did you understand my post, or even read it? "This game needs growth thus AA is good." Right? ... Did EVE care about growth? So why the sudden caring? I think this has more to do with CCP's failure to do something right then them considering the noob experience. I never said this game needs AA for growth... read it again... get someone to help you with the big words... excuse me - but I've been drinking, care to TL;DR? I've obviously missed your point twice.[/quote] read it tomorrow when youre sober... if you don't understand my post then, I fear throwing more words at you wont solve this dilemma... instead, at that point, I would suggest a good English tutor
Heimdallr69 TeamPlayers EoN. 788	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:19:00 - [33] - Quote I don't use either one I use my mind 100% accuracy
DootDoot Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:20:00 - [34] - Quote The Simple fact is Aiming in uprising was bad because they added Acceleration to your joystick so it kept getting faster and faster the more you inputted.... this made aiming feel like using a deadfish... WOOPS to far WOOPS not far enoguh WOOPS WOOPS WOOPS... This aiming Sucks Rage quit!!!!!! They removed this... to a degree.. and tweaked hit detection as everyone was complaining about it. We went from no aim assist and terrible aiming mechanics to good aiming mechanics and aim assist stronger then borderlands. Its literally fixing a problem that never existed and now that makes giving a computer generated aiming system o.k. suddenly? The problem with uprising aim was fixed without aim assist.... and AR's aren't OP if you actually have to aim for yourself, and track moving targets for yourself with your input not just assisting a computer to stay on target. People talking about this "texas two step" bullshit are the people who want everyone to stand still and shoot each other... and that is just ******** and everyone knows it.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 131	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:20:00 - [35] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: read it tomorrow when youre sober... if you don't understand my post then, I fear throwing more words at you wont solve this dilemma... instead, at that point, I would suggest a good English tutor Hi - I'm SoTa. Can I please ask you to TL;DR? I'll be awake until a very very late time and would love to understand your point.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 562	Posted - 2013.09.13 06:30:00 - [36] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Is aimbot. Not many good players are arguing for it that consistently play PC. Anyone else find that interesting? Nub514. Well on PC shooters, most normal players turn to Hacks & Aimbots really fast and accuse anyone of using one if they get beaten so they can feel better about their loss. Even if you beat their aimbot they then ask what aimbot you are using because it seems better then what they got ....i mean like dafuq?
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:24:00 - [37] - Quote Long Evity wrote: [quote=Dexter307] actually this is an excuse. A good player is defined by more then understanding - it's skill. He can aim faster, and better then you. Now that's taken away and the only thing left is 'tactics' Only understanding of the game makes you good. If that's fine with you then why don't you just admit you're bad and needed the crutch Your logic flies in the face of thousand years of recorded history. Women in general aren't faster or stronger than men. Sun Tzu trained one hundred concubines to serve as active soldiers for one of his patrons. One of Tzu's tenets is that discipline beats talent one hundred times out of one hundred. He wrote a little treatise on battlefield tactics and philosophy that people still read reverently to this day: (I.e. by real soldiers.) Study of it is required at Annapolis, The M++rwik, The royal military academy, places like that. What was its name again? "The art of flowers?" "The art of painting?" "The art of cooking?" Can't quite remember it. It's something like that. Heck, I remember reading about how the Roman legions dominated the west for centuries by having their best soldiers race ahead of everyone else and fight by themselves. True fax, yo. All that biz about The legionaries using teamwork, strategy, and discipline to own anyone who went against them was political care bear b.s. designed to appease casuals.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:33:00 - [38] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Long Evity wrote: [quote=Dexter307] actually this is an excuse. A good player is defined by more then understanding - it's skill. He can aim faster, and better then you. Now that's taken away and the only thing left is 'tactics' Only understanding of the game makes you good. If that's fine with you then why don't you just admit you're bad and needed the crutch Your logic flies in the face of thousand years of recorded history. Women in general aren't faster or stronger than men. Sun Tzu trained one hundred concubines to serve as active soldiers for one of his patrons. One of Tzu's tenets is that discipline beats talent one hundred times out of one hundred. He wrote a little treatise on battlefield tactics and philosophy that people still read reverently to this day: (I.e. by real soldiers.) Study of it is required at Annapolis, The M++rwik, The royal military academy, places like that. What was its name again? "The art of flowers?" "The art of painting?" "The art of cooking?" Can't quite remember it. It's something like that. Heck, I remember reading about how the Roman legions dominated the west for centuries by having their best soldiers race ahead of everyone else and fight by themselves. True fax, yo. All that biz about The legionaries using teamwork, strategy, and discipline to own anyone who went against them was political care bear b.s. designed to appease casuals. Were you trying to make a point beyond "Team work is important?" Skill is important too. And Sun Tzu is irrelevant here. The discussion isn't wether or not the top players can still win - TP is proving that. The discussion is Aimbot makes bad players feel good needlessly.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 178	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:39:00 - [39] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Long Evity wrote: actually this is an excuse. A good player is defined by more then understanding - it's skill. He can aim faster, and better then you. Now that's taken away and the only thing left is 'tactics' Only understanding of the game makes you good. If that's fine with you then why don't you just admit you're bad and needed the crutch I play with KB/M Also, a person who better understands maps and where people are (a.k.a. use tactics) will most of the time do better than someone who just reacts faster and aims better without using tactics. Being skilled at shooters helps make up for this but tactics will always win first, skill dosent help if the people shooting you can get the drop on you. Yes you are right tactics can help but whats the benefit you get from playing tactical when you can't hit you opponent? Whats the benefit of flanking sneaking and surprise attacks without the ability to kill the opponent. Regarding "skill" tactics is only half the win, the ability to aim and track your target is the other. Sure a tactical player will most likely win over a rambo when both have equal skill in aiming but a tactical player will not and should not win if he is not able to deliver the final blow...
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:43:00 - [40] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Were you trying to make a point beyond "Team work is important?" Skill is important too. And Sun Tzu is irrelevant here. The discussion isn't wether or not the top players can still win - TP is proving that. The discussion is Aimbot makes bad players feel good needlessly. No, actually I made the point, it was pretty clear cut and easy to follow; it even included real-world references to historical--ohhhhh, wait, this is an internet forum argument, where we can pretend someone didn't write something contextual to the discussion at hand, because it goes against someone's stated opinion, right? Gotcha. And now the discussion is about people feeling good? And people feeling good or whatever, annoys you? What kind of a greasy-haired, wrist cutter logic is that? Emoooooo.

Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:46:00 - [41] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Long Evity wrote: Were you trying to make a point beyond "Team work is important?" Skill is important too. And Sun Tzu is irrelevant here. The discussion isn't wether or not the top players can still win - TP is proving that. The discussion is Aimbot makes bad players feel good needlessly. No, actually I made the point, it was pretty clear cut and easy to follow; it even included real-world references to historical--ohhhhh, wait, this is an internet forum argument, where we can pretend someone didn't write something contextual to the discussion at hand, because it goes against someone's stated opinion, right? Gotcha. And now the discussion is about people feeling good? And people feeling good or whatever, annoys you? What kind of a greasy-haired, wrist cutter logic is that? Emoooooo. You seem confused. You want to bring real life into a game. If so - why is the HMG CQC? Oh wait... Dust isn't real life is it? It's a cut throat game where only the best survive. Which is now everyone can do well if they use aimbot. Use the crutch more scrub.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:53:00 - [42] - Quote Long Evity wrote: . You seem confused. You want to bring real life into a game. If so - why is the HMG CQC? Oh wait... Dust isn't real life is it? It's a cut throat game where only the best survive. Which is now everyone can do well if they use aimbot. Use the crutch more scrub. Whoa, that just devastated my ego! You just did that, man. With your words. #shakentomycore
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:54:00 - [43] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Long Evity wrote: . You seem confused. You want to bring real life into a game. If so - why is the HMG CQC? Oh wait... Dust isn't real life is it? It's a cut throat game where only the best survive. Which is now everyone can do well if they use aimbot. Use the crutch more scrub. Whoa, that just devastated my ego! You just did that, man. With your words. #shakentomycore since you had no decent response I take it you have no idea how to respond. So continue using your crutch. Maybe some-day people will think you're good.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:00:00 - [44] - Quote Long Evity wrote: since you had no decent response I take it you have no idea how to respond. So continue using your crutch. Maybe some-day people will think you're good. Nah. I just didn't have any catchy 90's era Christina Aguilera singles I could weave into a pithy comeback. That would make look like some dude in his early to mid-thirties making dated references to stuff I remember from High school in reference to stuff I'm mad about in my serious video game. I mean, what next? N'sync? Backstreet Boys? WTF are those?
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:05:00 - [45] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Long Evity wrote: since you had no decent response I take it you have no idea how to respond. So continue using your crutch. Maybe some-day people will think you're good. Nah. I just didn't have any catchy 90's era Christina Aguilera singles I could weave into a pithy comeback. That would make look like some dude in his early to mid-thirties making dated references to stuff I remember from High school in reference to stuff I'm mad about in my serious video game. I mean, what next? N'sync? Backstreet Boys? WTF are those? ... Names a bunch of group he doesn't "Know about," And who cares about you? The issue - once again - is that aim bot is not needed to be this strong, making bad players feel good. But this is the same company that brought us EVE - a game where skill isn't needed. So wtf do they know? Lol
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:08:00 - [46] - Quote Long Evity wrote: But this is the same company that brought us EVE - a game where skill isn't needed. LOL. Ignorance, willful or not, does not make an argument, son.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:10:00 - [47] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: But this is the same company that brought us EVE - a game where skill isn't needed. LOL. Ignorance, willful or not, does not make an argument, son. Are you arguing that a tab target game = skill? LOL Next you'll say all MMO's require 'skill' LOLOLOL No wonder you're in IO.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:14:00 - [48] - Quote Long Evity wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: But this is the same company that brought us EVE - a game where skill isn't needed. LOL. Ignorance, willful or not, does not make an argument, son. Are you arguing that a tab target game = skill? LOL Next you'll say all MMO's require 'skill' LOLOLOL No wonder you're in IO. LOL again "Tab target game" If you don't know how something works, it's best not to use assumptions as a point in your argument, mmkay? Also, attacking me for my corp affiliations because I pointed out a flaw you used in your argument? Stoop any lower and you'll almost be able to smell the shlt I leave behind, because my shlt don't stink. PS. I actually agree with your OP, but whatever. Just fun to see you get mad.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:19:00 - [49] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: But this is the same company that brought us EVE - a game where skill isn't needed. LOL. Ignorance, willful or not, does not make an argument, son. Are you arguing that a tab target game = skill? LOL Next you'll say all MMO's require 'skill' LOLOLOL No wonder you're in IO. LOL again "Tab target game" If you don't know how something works, it's best not to use assumptions as a point in your argument, mmkay? Also, attacking me for my corp affiliations because I pointed out a flaw you used in your argument? Stoop any lower and you'll almost be able to smell the shlt I leave behind, because my shlt don't stink. PS. I actually agree with your OP, but whatever. Just fun to see you get mad. So laughing at you = mad? Honestly - IDC. CCP will keep the crutch since they want money. But calling EvE skill related was a laugh, and we both know it. And we both know how bad your corp is. Wasn't it just kicked out of PFC since it was unable to to put out a full team of 16 and your leader has emotional issues? Anyone who follows IO is either a chump or is just lost in someone elses talks.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:24:00 - [50] - Quote Long Evity wrote: dustwaffle wrote: LOL again "Tab target game" If you don't know how something works, it's best not to use assumptions as a point in your argument, mmkay? Also, attacking me for my corp affiliations because I pointed out a flaw you used in your argument? Stoop any lower and you'll almost be able to smell the shlt I leave behind, because my shlt don't stink. PS. I actually agree with your OP, but whatever. Just fun to see you get mad. So laughing at you = mad? Honestly - IDC. CCP will keep the crutch since they want money. But calling EvE skill related was a laugh, and we both know it. And we both know how bad your corp is. Wasn't it just kicked out of PFC since it was unable to to put out a full team of 16 and your leader has emotional issues? Anyone who follows IO is either a chump or is just lost in someone elses talks. Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you

Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:30:00 - [51] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you He's going to tell you he doesn't care what you think, and that you're getting it wrong. There's never been anyone like him on the internet before. We're all puppets dancing to his string, and in his brilliant game of checkers, we're all pawns to his rook.
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:32:00 - [52] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: dustwaffle wrote: LOL again "Tab target game" If you don't know how something works, it's best not to use assumptions as a point in your argument, mmkay? Also, attacking me for my corp affiliations because I pointed out a flaw you used in your argument? Stoop any lower and you'll almost be able to smell the shlt I leave behind, because my shlt don't stink. PS. I actually agree with your OP, but whatever. Just fun to see you get mad. So laughing at you = mad? Honestly - IDC. CCP will keep the crutch since they want money. But calling EvE skill related was a laugh, and we both know it. And we both know how bad your corp is. Wasn't it just kicked out of PFC since it was unable to to put out a full team of 16 and your leader has emotional issues? Anyone who follows IO is either a chump or is just lost in someone elses talks. Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you Oh - I'm sorry - you're right. Tell you you're in a bad corp and probably bad player is meaningless since you support the idea of AA being bad.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:32:00 - [53] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you He's going to tell you he doesn't care what you think, and that you're getting it wrong. There's never been anyone like him on the internet before. We're all puppets dancing to his string, and in his brilliant game of checkers, we're all pawns to his rook. Please don't side with me. I don't need any 'crutches' to school him. HURHURHURDURRR
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:33:00 - [54] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you He's going to tell you he doesn't care what you think, and that you're getting it wrong. There's never been anyone like him on the internet before. We're all puppets dancing to his string, and in his brilliant game of checkers, we're all pawns to his rook. You interpretation seems off to my response to him. Want to try again before you look any dumber for getting your troll wrong? Lol
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:35:00 - [55] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Backtrack more please. Tell us again about the 'tab target game' and how your mis-assumptions are relevant to your point. Whether my corp is good or bad has nothing to do with your thread, so keep going cos it's funny watching you derail your own thread. Smacking me and/or my corp seems to be best way to support your argument, to you, so feel free and more power to you He's going to tell you he doesn't care what you think, and that you're getting it wrong. There's never been anyone like him on the internet before. We're all puppets dancing to his string, and in his brilliant game of checkers, we're all pawns to his rook. Please don't side with me. I don't need any 'crutches' to school him. HURHURHURDURRR
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:35:00 - [56] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Oh - I'm sorry - you're right. Thanks! Too generous. Quote: Tell you you're in a bad corp and probably bad player is meaningless since you support the idea of AA being bad. Long Evity wrote: since you had no decent response I take it you have no idea how to respond. I take it this applies
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:37:00 - [57] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Please don't side with me. I don't need any 'crutches' to school him. HURHURHURDURRR That actually stung a little. HODOR
Long Evity Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:38:00 - [58] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Long Evity wrote: Oh - I'm sorry - you're right. Thanks! Too generous. Quote: Tell you you're in a bad corp and probably bad player is meaningless since you support the idea of AA being bad. Long Evity wrote: since you had no decent response I take it you have no idea how to respond. I take it this applies Pretty sure I did reply - but decided not to take it further since you do support the idea of AA being too strong.
Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 201	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:41:00 - [59] - Quote Long Evity wrote: You interpretation seems off to my response to him. Want to try again before you look any dumber for getting your troll wrong? Lol Getting my troll wrong? wtf are you talking about?
dustwaffle Ill Omens 492	Posted - 2013.09.13 08:42:00 - [60] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: dustwaffle wrote: Please don't side with me. I don't need any 'crutches' to school him. HURHURHURDURRR That actually stung a little. HODOR I'm on a roll. 2 in one post



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