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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:08:00 -
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Anyone know? When it says 40 HP damage, there is no way they are just doing 40 HP damage. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
741
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:10:00 -
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It is 40 dmg per pellet. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
284
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:13:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet.
How many pellets? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
741
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:15:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. How many pellets?
This, I'm not sure on. i'm going to guess about 10 - 12. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
62
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:28:00 -
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In my experience the shotgun applies damage directly to the head, usually from the back.
Actually I am very curious as to how many pellets they do fire. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
163
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:31:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Anyone know? When it says 40 HP damage, there is no way they are just doing 40 HP damage.
Theres loads of bullets when it fires one shot it fires many at once on its opponent. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:48:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet.
Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
992
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:49:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread.
Spread is the operation. Proficiency is ROF increase instead of damage like all other weapons. So theoretically you can pump a few more rounds into a guy before they mow you down. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
417
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:51:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread.
Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
992
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:53:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m
Not sure about any one else who runs SG but ADS is almost pointless you're too close to enemies to ADS. They move out of sight too quickly. |
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1563
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:57:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m
I've been watching a few videos of shotgunners and seeing what looks like 100% accurate hits on center mass which presumably are having all pellets hit at once. They are with scouts presumably with no more than a single damage mod that are hitting single shots with STD/ADV regular shotguns (8 shotters) for 450+ raw damage. Which at a 86 RPM rate should give them a higher DPS than STD/ADV ARs I believe. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
417
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:58:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m Not sure about any one else who runs SG but ADS is almost pointless you're too close to enemies to ADS. They move out of sight too quickly.
Oh, I do  ?? Its just that in cqc, you don't have much time to line up a shot, and then they seem to physically dodge the round, a wider hip fire spread would allow for a greater chance to hit but for less damage, but an ads shot practically fires a slug, which would be a lot more powerful!! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
417
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:59:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m I've been watching a few videos of shotgunners and seeing what looks like 100% accurate hits on center mass which presumably are having all pellets hit at once. They are with scouts presumably with no more than a single damage mod that are hitting single shots with STD/ADV regular shotguns (8 shotters) for 450+ raw damage. Which at a 86 RPM rate should give them a higher DPS than STD/ADV ARs I believe.
Maybe Im getting to close?? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1617
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:03:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. How many pellets?
12 |
Ultra Boomer3
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
273
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:05:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet.
while this is probably correct in a sense, I can't help but point out that it doesn't fire pellets. sticking to the story behind the shotgun it's an unstable burst of plasma. kinda like the ARs, which fire magnetically contained balls of plasma, except it doesn't contain it and probably uses more per shot. pellets implies a projectile weapons, where shotguns are hybrid. |
ballistic surgeon
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:06:00 -
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How does the shotgun apply damage? When the projectile comes out of the weapon and hits the intended target |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
992
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:10:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Just thinking, but would it be more useful that hipfire gets wider, and ads gets tighter, the shotgun still doesn't feel like the king of -10m I've been watching a few videos of shotgunners and seeing what looks like 100% accurate hits on center mass which presumably are having all pellets hit at once. They are with scouts presumably with no more than a single damage mod that are hitting single shots with STD/ADV regular shotguns (8 shotters) for 450+ raw damage. Which at a 86 RPM rate should give them a higher DPS than STD/ADV ARs I believe.
No damage mod needed. a CRG will bring a STD, or a lightly tanked ADV down in one hit if all connect. A scout suit can't really fit a damage mod. It can but I don't really recommend it. Most high slots on scouts are dedicated to shields to help keep them alive. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1683
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:16:00 -
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Carefully. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1563
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:27:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. How many pellets? 12
How do you know this? |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
749
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Posted - 2013.09.12 22:28:00 -
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Ultra Boomer3 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. while this is probably correct in a sense, I can't help but point out that it doesn't fire pellets. sticking to the story behind the shotgun it's an unstable burst of plasma. kinda like the ARs, which fire magnetically contained balls of plasma, except it doesn't contain it and probably uses more per shot. pellets implies a projectile weapons, where shotguns are hybrid.
Well...if you watch the discharge from the shotgun, you can clearly see several distinct "things" coming out in a semi tight cluster. Simply for the lack of a better descriptive term for these "things" i just called them "pellets".
So, 40 dmg per "pellet", that better? |
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:58:00 -
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It shots several pellets at once. How many it shots is a miracle and nobody knows. But meh the shotgun is outdated cause AR is the the only thing you need to use these days. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
644
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:15:00 -
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Last time I checked, 12. can't remember who I asked though. |
Frank Olson Usul
DUST University
Ivy League
22
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Posted - 2013.09.13 04:23:00 -
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Wooohooo I'm really interested in an answer to this. Because I tried the BREACH variant (description said it does more damage for slower reload). WHEN I BOUGHT IT, it first showed me that it only has 2 shots and then you have to reload. That's not really "fires slower" :D
So If I knew how the pellets fly and how many, maybe I could consider this a good weapon again. ATM I feel like it's a joke vs the normal shotgun if youre not 0,5m behind someone. |
Lightning xVx
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2013.09.13 04:29:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:It is 40 dmg per pellet. Which is why the Proficiency (correct me if I am wrong) skill for shotguns reduces the amount of pellet spread. Spread is the operation. Proficiency is ROF increase instead of damage like all other weapons. So theoretically you can pump a few more rounds into a guy before they mow you down.
That's completely bs it doesn't do anything
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1067
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Posted - 2013.09.13 04:36:00 -
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Damage rating per pellet.
10-12 pellets is the generally accepted estimate.
Spread tightens at each level of operation.
Theoretically higher CQC DPS than an AR.
Provided every single pellet strikes your target.
This rarely occurs, even at point-blank range.
The AR is the best close quarters weapon at the moment.
It also happens to be the best short-medium range weapon.
As well as the best medium-long range weapon.
But everyone who uses an AR will tell you its balanced.
And shotgunners like us are supposed to deal with it.
Welcome to AR-514.
(Pardon my present pissiness, OP. Lost dozens of fights today I should've won today.)
- Shotty GoBang
~ 18M SP Shotgun Scout |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1571
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Posted - 2013.09.13 13:07:00 -
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I was testing shotgun last night.
Some observations just shooting at a blue supply depot:
-I would use the 'shield hit' animation to indicate the shotgun was doing damage.
-When just a sliver of the circle was touching the supply depot at less than 11m range the shotgun would 'hit'.
-This makes me think that your hit comes from the % of target within the circle, or % of circle covered. |
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