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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:25:00 -
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They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
290
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:32:00 -
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You do realise that the Tac Snipers have an increased zoom, right? I get what you're saying, but Snipers are useful, particularly when they keep the enemy out of open area. Too much of anything is bad, and that goes double for them, up to about 3 or 4 and no more should be decent, provided they're positioned away from eachother across the map. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
392
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:35:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
At the moment snipers dont have many roles to fill other than killing!! This is not there fault they need new equipment modules and abilities to help the squad, besides snipers can make great assests, when deployed and used effectively, snipers work best in 3's 2 for the team down below and 1 countersniper!!
I regularly run with a sniper, grease spillet, from my alliance, he has more tactical advantages without firing a shot!! Besides if I have a guardian angel I feel much better knowing he has a sniper rifle!! |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
299
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:36:00 -
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As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^ |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1153
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:38:00 -
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Snipers can win games. Just like a good AR user or nova Knife player |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
320
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:39:00 -
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Unless the blue snipers are getting like 20 kills, they're wasting space in skirmish matches. Green snipers, if they're good, are another story, of course. The overwatch they can provide is invaluable, although a Flux scanner is arguably more useful. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
The Corporate Raiders
973
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:40:00 -
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give em aim bot too |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
161
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:41:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
At the moment snipers dont have many roles to fill other than killing!! This is not there fault they need new equipment modules and abilities to help the squad, besides snipers can make great assests, when deployed and used effectively, snipers work best in 3's 2 for the team down below and 1 countersniper!! I regularly run with a sniper, grease spillet, from my alliance, he has more tactical advantages without firing a shot!! Besides if I have a guardian angel I feel much better knowing he has a sniper rifle!! I agree, I wish snipers had more use for the team, so that I wouldn't almost always lose when I get paired up with more than 2-3 of them on my team. I wish their scopes would light up enemies, or they used flux scanners more often instead of nanohives. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
90
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:44:00 -
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Once again people just lump everone with a sniper rifle in as a sniper. There are 2 types of sniper rifle users, useless snipoors or snipers that all they do is take pot shots, and try to rack up KD/R and Recons. Recons are the good snipers, they work with their squad trying to keep open areas clear, give the SL good information on troop movements (recons make the best SL because they are never in the heat of the battle so they can keep an eye on the larger picture), and picking off important targets. Had a situation where we needed to push on A but they had 2 heavies with triage hives with a logi supporting them. Heavies may be gimped but in CQC if they know you are coming they can still wreck you, our sniper took out the hives first then managed to nail the Logi in the head, after that easy mopup. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
161
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:47:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Unless the blue snipers are getting like 20 kills, they're wasting space in skirmish matches. Green snipers, if they're good, are another story, of course. The overwatch they can provide is invaluable, although a Flux scanner is arguably more useful. Green snipers are good, especially with a mic, overwatch is great. Its the blue ones up in the hills that are doing nothing for the team that I particularly don't like, because they aren't playing Skirm and Dom because its an objective and team based gametype, but because they don't die there. |
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1018
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:52:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^
mary's right. whenever I go tank hunting, I look at the position of the tank and then go pass the tank in search of the spotter. (sniper in this case) 85% I find them. I then message the tanker "Don't worry bro. I don't see any OTHER AV" Then I fire my proto SL. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
320
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:55:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^
True, but all that takes is one good sniper, in the end. I'd rather have four competent tankers on the field than four equally competent snipers; tanks, while they can't cap points, they at least have a ground presence. |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
300
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Posted - 2013.09.11 09:55:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^ mary's right. whenever I go tank hunting, I look at the position of the tank and then go pass the tank in search of the spotter. (sniper in this case) 85% I find them. I then message the tanker "Don't worry bro. I don't see any OTHER AV" Then I fire my proto SL.
Good snipers don't sit next to the tank lol. I know snipers love to look at my vehicle and around it too well. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
90
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:01:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^ mary's right. whenever I go tank hunting, I look at the position of the tank and then go pass the tank in search of the spotter. (sniper in this case) 85% I find them. I then message the tanker "Don't worry bro. I don't see any OTHER AV" Then I fire my proto SL. Good snipers don't sit next to the tank lol. I know snipers love to look at my vehicle and around it too well.
A tank's spotter should be on the opposite side of the map from his partner at all times. Giving the tank a viewpoint that he normally does not get allows them to make the right decision all the time. Just have to make sure you are using simple to understand terms (clock positions are best based on the orientation of the tank in my opinion) |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1359
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:04:00 -
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I will help a lot more as a sniper if it wasn't for how long it takes to position yourself, by the time you move to next position, find where the enemy is, find the right spot with the right angle, crouch, wait for the rifle to stop moving up and down like a yo-yo, find the enemy again ....The full battle have already move somewhere else. |
Raiff Basdek
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
38
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:11:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote: They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting.
And I suppose all those times when the guy who you're trying to kill's armour suddenly vanishes, I guess that must be "magic" then? Not the sniper who's looking over the battle? |
demonkiller 12
G.U.T.Z Covert Intervention
189
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:15:00 -
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ive been in a 6man sniper squad all day, done maybe 25-30 ambushes and lost only 1 match
and yes it was us winning the game since our squad was constantly cloning them |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3958
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:37:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:They do not hack A good sniper doesn't hack, but they'll watch your back so you can.
Quote:they do not push on the enemy. A good sniper doesn't push, but they can break the enemy's attempts at doing so, and let the team recover from a vulnerable moment.
Quote:They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. That isn't a sniper you're describing. It's an idiot with a sniper rifle. There's a difference.
Quote:For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. Ever played Ambush?
Quote:The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner. Obviously never had a good sniper save your life. They're rare, but valuable, teammates.
And as mentioned, Tac Snipers have more of a focus on long range, not less. They're usually the ones found further back, with a longer zoom range. They also have lower damage per shot and only 3 shots per clip, making them the most likely to hold fire until the target is weakened before finishing the job.
A good sniper can often cover 2 or 3 objectives in a Skirmish match and while they won't lock those points down solo, they can stall any hack attempts for long enough to see reinforcements clear the position. A good sniper in Ambush will take the shots they can get, kill or assist, and will preferentially target enemies that threaten their teammates (or the sniper themselves). A good sniper in Domination will control key routes leading to the objective and funnel the enemy into killzones for the rest of the team to exploit.
That's not to say everyone who claims to be a sniper is good though. There are a lot of idiots who think that having a sniper rifle on their fitting makes them a sniper, but they don't play the role. They watch their teammates die, then "avenge" their teammate so they get the kill, or "save" a teammate who's about to win the fight without their help. They collect kills, and don't provide any meaningful support, and as mentioned, while that may help in Ambush (if you can stay ouf of the way), it's a waste of effort in Skirmish and Domination. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.09.11 10:45:00 -
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^^ He gets it!!
However giving snipers some more speacilist equipment should be considered!! |
fawkuima juggalo
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
22
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:10:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
k... i aint much of a snipe but....YOU ARE SO WRONG DUDE.... heres the reasons why snipers are good and you are whining....
1. a sniper with communication to a team is the eyes of the battle field. 2. snipers do massive one hit damage so they can weaken enemys very easily . 3. in ambush snipers usually get a positive k/d, which is ALWAYS good. 4. post a sniper with eyes on a hack screen.... tell me how useless he is. 5. the first shot from a sniper can scare the **** outta some1 totally disrupting their objective. 6. take out squad leader disrupting whole squads objective. 7. can see farther than anyone, i know thats useless on a team right 8. creates confusion and fear when flanking groups. which inturn... 9.makes enemy moral suffer. 10.increase lines of fire. .... and im sure more that i have missed, but theres ten reasons why your post sucks and is wasting space. so in return for the enlightening info and a bump please admit snipes are at least alright and take down your post. thank you and good day sir.
...i do see your point though.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3960
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:16:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:^^ He gets it!! You can thank my girlfriend for that.
She's the sniper in our household. |
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
36
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:20:00 -
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snipers can be invaluable but agreably the majority of them are selfish crap ^-^ an i hate getting oneshoted b/c im squishy as **** 170 total hp T-T |
Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. Ever played Ambush? Does this look like a thread about snipers who'd actually do ambush?
Quote:They're usually the ones found further back, with a longer zoom range. Side point, but unless they've changed things, no, they don't have any better zoom. Try out two fits, one tac, one regular and look at the same object with both. |
ghjl ghjkl
Patriotic Investment Group Inc.
1
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:43:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
I'm sowwy yeah I pretty much do this when I'm not in a squad, but it is public matches after all. What I do differently from some in solo is I try to start logi towards an objective, then peel back, to a supply depot to go heavy forge on a target of interest, or else I go commando with a sniper and some other light weapon. I try to stick around a supply depot behind the objective. I don't camp one spot, still takes some luck for me to rack up extended kills, but heck, I'm still working on gun skills after dumping all my original sp into heavies, so don't hold it against me when I really don't want to use that without good squad support, especially w 1.4
all that said, lets hug this out and move on. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:45:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:They are useless. They do not hack, they do not push on the enemy. About the only thing they are good for was overwatch and marking enemies, but they can't even do that anymore. If any team has more than 3 of them that team will almost always lose, and everyone but the snipers gets slaughtered. They are a completely selfish role, they often wait to shoot so they can steal a kill, even if it cost their ally a fitting. The only reason they play Skirmish and Domination is because there is a redline that they can hide in. For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. In a game where the enemy can just keep respawning, kills are worthless. Kill all the enemies you want, unless we clone them you were useless. Most matches are won with MCC destruction, not kills. The only snipers I have much respect for are the Tac Snipers that get up near the battles(obviously not in them, but not 250m away on a mountain), and ones that provide overwatch with a mic, or (even better) a flux scanner.
Winning with three snipers is possible but try to win a domination match with 8 to 10 snipers on one side... |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
394
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:46:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:^^ He gets it!! You can thank my girlfriend for that. She's the sniper in our household.
^^ His girlfriend gets it!!
God damn, I wish I had a girlfriend who played video games, god damn I just wish I had one in the first place!!
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3960
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:53:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Does this look like a thread about snipers who'd actually do ambush? No.
It looks like a thread about bad players that's misrepresenting valuable contributors based on a prevalence of idiots using their weapon of choice. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
2353
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:58:00 -
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A good Sniper is more useful than a crap AR player.
In fact, on the right map, against the right enemies, a good Sniper could be more useful than a good AR player. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1018
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:10:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Surt gods end wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:As a vehicle operator, I LOVE having snipers on my squad. With Mics, I can coordinate my Anit- Anti-Vehicle response, as well as their ability to spot incoming vehicles that may want me dead. Just saying. (^^ mary's right. whenever I go tank hunting, I look at the position of the tank and then go pass the tank in search of the spotter. (sniper in this case) 85% I find them. I then message the tanker "Don't worry bro. I don't see any OTHER AV" Then I fire my proto SL. Good snipers don't sit next to the tank lol. I know snipers love to look at my vehicle and around it too well. A tank's spotter should be on the opposite side of the map from his partner at all times. Giving the tank a viewpoint that he normally does not get allows them to make the right decision all the time. Just have to make sure you are using simple to understand terms (clock positions are best based on the orientation of the tank in my opinion)
You'll be surprised at how many snipers don't venture too close to our red line. (be it 9 o clock, or 3 o clock position) I usually catch them at 11 or 1. just near their red line. (unless they are on top of buildings)
anyway, I like to haunt at the enemy red line, cause most of the time if I don't get the hav that I wanted, I sure as hell will get the one getting called down.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
923
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:21:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Quote:For any sniper that says "killing X enemies isn't useless". Yes it is. Ever played Ambush? Does this look like a thread about snipers who'd actually do ambush? Quote:They're usually the ones found further back, with a longer zoom range. Side point, but unless they've changed things, no, they don't have any better zoom. Try out two fits, one tac, one regular and look at the same object with both.
charged rifle has short range, tac has long range.
it's why I use a charged rifle it's closest thing I can get to a mid range sniper rifle. |
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