I rank in the top 3 almost every match now with a dinky little Dragonfly suit. Anyone else having success with their scouts? I would love to see some positivity from "The Forgotten Ones".

I rank in the top 3 almost every match now with a dinky little Dragonfly suit. Anyone else having success with their scouts? I would love to see some positivity from "The Forgotten Ones".

Its the new maps. Tight corners, multipule levels, short hallways. Shotgunners wet dream.

honestly, not much improvement, but then I'm an AR scout and always have been. the hit detection helped a bit but it helped everyone. I have a little better profit margins and my K/D is up .03. my playstyle involves shooting people in the back or from above since head to head combat isn't an option and strafing involves speed i don't have. when I learn the new maps they'll be an asset but for now I as good as always.

gallente scout is sneaky stealth...

Scout + Repair Tool = invisible "WHY WON'T YOU DIE?"

Third place is beast?

Well, you could do the same thing with a medium frame, specifically a Assault, but like anyone cares.......

Top 3 includes first place.

Not with the same speed and ability to prevent scans as efficiently.

Don't tempt me to get the special Logi/Assault fits

try using knives, MDs, plasma cannons, flaylocks, swarms, hell, anything but shotguns, ARs and Scrambler rifles as a scout. It sucks big time.
I guess it wouldnt be so bad in a blueprint suit, but a suit costing 150k isk that dies in less then a second to AR fire is complete bullshit.

I mainly use an AR but I have at least level 3 in every light weapon. Depending on which map and more specifically which area of the map I plan on engaging in determines the weapon I use. I love them all.

Try direct hitting a brick tanked assault or logi suit with a plasma cannon, should be one hit kill, it doesnt kill, them, leaves them with 100 - 200 armour left and they've killed you in the half second they need.

How about knive hit detection were at any moment they can just turn around or someone spawns in and instant blaps you when still invisible. Its complete bullshit what they did to the scout.

I only use the plasma cannon when an area is congested with heavies. Make sure to put a complex damage mod on it though. As for the nova knives I don't use them very often to be honest.

I usually do good until I get the loading jitters which **** me off to no end as a light. My Mediums don't suffer as much because I go about walking most of the time as I'm generally placing myself in superior positions most of the time and cover is good in quantity.

It also includes second and third.

Some how only my Nades/RE's get me kills as a scout

ive been getting dunks all day long man * jump swoosh headshot *

I cant squeeze any good out of mine, but i did fight this guy called Lightning xVx today and he was an absolute beast with his, my bulets where bouncing right off him and he pretty much 1 shot killed my entire squad multiple times in a row in the city.

Being a non shotgun/scrambler/AR user, scouts are super hard mode. Im usually running round to the rear objective or flanking the attack but the moment anyone looks at me Im dead.

So you are saying that in order for a class or even more specifically a fit to be considered beast it needs to rank first every time? I would classify that as God like, a beast is still mortal.

Edit: I would classify that as Boss, it doesn't take a perfect game to rank first. My bad.

No, no.
Godlike would be getting first every time with no deaths.
Beast is getting first everytime, deaths acceptable.
If you're getting 2nd and 3rd place as well, you might be 'Going hard' or 'Killing it' but you definitely aren't beast.

Boss has less to do with kills/deaths/WPs and more to do with succeeding in an unlikely situation.

I rank in the top 3 almost every match now with a dinky little Dragonfly suit. Anyone else having success with their scouts? I would love to see some positivity from "The Forgotten Ones".

You have been getting lucky with the matchmaking thats all. A scout doesnt last 0.8 seconds vs my laser and i pack a powerful active scan,which most scouts cant avoid.

Not to mention,active scans are really common now....

Unless you are using a proto focused scanner I won't show up but your laser is only effective inside of my active scan range. Luckily for me I have been getting lucky matchmaking

Im not calling you bad or anything. Dont misunderstand me.

1- I rely on my eyes to fight, the scanner is mostly for my team mates.
2-My laser would still drop you in a second
3-When i run scout i get open maps,vs 9+ organizeed red dots. Uber massacre. (And my Minnie scout has 400EHP,which is a lot for a scout) This is what i meant with you are getting qued up nicely....

I am having a terrible time as a scout. You gotta hide in dark corners like a little b!tch and pretend that sneaking up on reddots from the back is any indication of your skill or game challenge.

Speed tanking does not exist anymore. Your skill with a gun is meaningless now. But hey you got that 'sneaky assasin' playstyle that's now semi legitimate. Congrats.

For me 1.4 has been hit and miss with my scout. In the games where I am patient, smart and sneaky, I tend to do pretty well... with my best game so far being 8/2 (I'm not great and I'm not ashamed to admit it) without using the auto-aim.

When I start using speed more instead of stealth, and attempting to get a bit more ballsy going after people that's when I typically get hammered.... .I can burn through the suits pretty quickly.

I don't run the active scanner but with a kin/cat and range mod I can do a reasonable amount of hunting with my AR or Shotgun. I think people are still adapting to the build as scouts, many are not used to being this stealthy.....

Scouts aren't hat stealthy once advanced scanner comes to play. To bypass the advanced scanner you would need profile dampening lvl 5 plus a profile dampener or scout lvl 3 at least.

Imho thats a bit too much considering a suit that is build around sealth and speed (where the speed advantage is highly questionable)

When I do my worst is when I'm the only one trying, or I'm facing higher SP opponents.

I am having a terrible time as a scout. You gotta hide in dark corners like a little b!tch and pretend that sneaking up on reddots from the back is any indication of your skill or game challenge.

Speed tanking does not exist anymore. Your skill with a gun is meaningless now. But hey you got that 'sneaky assasin' playstyle that's now semi legitimate. Congrats.

Scouts aren't hat stealthy once advanced scanner comes to play. To bypass the advanced scanner you would need profile dampening lvl 5 plus a profile dampener or scout lvl 3 at least.

Imho thats a bit too much considering a suit that is build around sealth and speed (where the speed advantage is highly questionable)

Once more people start using active scanners scouts die in seconds. They're crazy fragile and are now too slow to properly evade other weapons' tracking speed.

Once more people start using active scanners scouts die in seconds. They're crazy fragile and are now too slow to properly evade other weapons' tracking speed.

Gallente with regular plates. It's easy to navigate to a supply depot and swap fits so you can throw down a quick triage and repair then switch back to a scanner or whatever. I think some people here lack the creativity to be a scout.

Triage hives (not compacts because they do F-all!) are far too CPU/PG hungry for most light suits.

Regular armor plates slow us down, even just a little reduces the gap between light suits and medium suits to basically nothing but the eHP gap is still huge. That leaves your only advantage the lower profile, which disappears the moment someone brings out a proto scanner. You can still avoid most scanners by using PD mods but then you're giving up slots for reppers, reds or greens.

There's a hell of a lot of creativity in the scout community because we have to try out some wacky fits to find anything that'll work. For one, I run dual sidearms, so I can free up CPU for damage mods and a complex repper on my adv gal scout but even with electronics to lvl 5 I have to use a CPU mod to fit it all.

And one last point - "It's easy to navigate to a supply depot" ??? It's easy to find the one supply depot on the map, that may or may not have been destroyed by the time you reach it or may or may not be in enemy hands and if it's not available, the only way to swap fits is to run all the way back to base! Not easy, not quick.

Everyone dies in seconds and a propper scout should always be the one to initiate a gun battle.

One supply depot?

Yes. Most maps only have one supply depot outside of red lines there days.

I win plenty of face to face gun battles. It is not impossible to get around an enemies cone of fire like a lot of people claim.

What is this crap?

A positive Scout/Heavy thread?

People actually enjoying playing with these suits?

VERBOTEN!

Forgot to add "proof" to this thread so I went and played a match real quick.

http://i.imgur.com/6wLJehK.jpg

Forgot to add "proof" to this thread so I went and played a match real quick.

http://i.imgur.com/6wLJehK.jpg

I run a lvl 5 Scout w/ lvl 3 dampening, & only a proto scanner can find me when not running a dampening module. If I run a basic dampening mod then i'm pretty much invisible.

I have tried every scout fit imaginable, all I'm trying to say at this point is to try and stack plates and extenders, grab the stupid AR and play the game for what it is. I have felt the same scout pains as everyone else in this community and I have found something that has been working for me. I would honestly like to hear from those who have tried this model, and I thank those for debating. Debate is how we get **** done.

That's actually a good point tbh. Thanks to CCP giving every shmuck with a militia AR a huge crutch, there is simply no point in running proto suits anymore.

I'm all for taking cover, but to die in 2sec because people don't need any aiming skills whatsoever to hit with every single shot is ridiculous.

Using a Ar an bragging about a picture isn't scout bro, knives an shotguns is scout!
Coulda been sniping from the red line for all we kno , but I do kno that's not ur knife score!

All that proves is that you stole wounded kills wit a unlimited ranged weapon in my eyes, cuz if u were scout, you would never post something so dumb as scouts are beast!

Your a assault in a fast suit!

Scouts are still tissue paper. Once spotted you are almost always dead. I find speed is the most important. If you can sprint at 10m/s you can flank fast enough to get the drop on people.

The speed also allows you to avoid large groups of enemies. The only issue with the speed is you cant use that as a tank. Its more for flexibility.

Local reps on a scout dont make much sense to me. You are better off carrying a compact hive and giving yourself more armor or green pill. If your running remotes then you need the speed and stamina to GTFO.

Also the flux prototype scanner goes to 18db. Its also very difficult to fit and is exceptionally expensive (32k). Very few if any people will ever utilize it considering it has a lot of drawbacks. Only people who probably have the pg/cpu to fit that is the gal logis. I have yet to be scanned when I run two adv damps on my sneaky build.

HOWEVER, at the end of the day scouts are UP because other suits can do the roles of a scout using a lower tier. I can fit a std logi with enough damps to become invisible to active scans and still have 2 equipment and more HP and a higher tier weapon.

Considering what way current scouts play, *any* upgrade is going to let us wreck face.

If and only if the AR is brought into balance.

A scout is only a scout if he / she uses knives and shotguns and to get 20+ kills I must have been jacking kills. I love you guys.

Ya bro I'm not ripping on you but I gotta ask, do you have a lot of sp or a lot in scout?
Have you ran sg or knives an snuck rite up on someone an had them dead to rites an your knives or sg didn't register , only tapped them on the shoulder so they could turn around an smoke you in one burst, an your bodies are so close that his AR barrel would actuall be past your body an your weapons still do no damage yet your dead in seconds?

Do you have millions of skill points an still can't fit anything on ur suit without mix matching basic an proto gear because of crappy CPU ?

Did you play in the beginning of beta when shotguns worked an we had 6 slots an 2 equips?

A lot of us have an this is why guys disagree with "beast" because that's what they were now their just disappointing but we make it work praying they become half of what they were .

Shared vision being disabled helps, but that's taken away by AR power an range, sp an skill s don't matter like they used too

Heres the thing, people seem only to use scouts in pubs, when it comes to PC scouts are in no way imaginable viable. PC is what the game should be balanced around, can ANY of you actually say scouts are balanced for PC?

Nope. This is essentially why no one really argues against scouts being UP.

Though as Satori says - we do get the best moments. If you've played the new Tomb Raider, my scout is a lot like Lara - yeah im a bit more agile and that, but it comes down to being downright scrappy and ignoring this 'stand and deliver' kind of gameplay which seems to be common. I rarely kill someone by 'accident' - it's because I made sure I was in the right place, at the right time against the right enemy - and then made sure I had a back up plan - and then an escape route!

Also agree with him about the scout losing a little magic when they get some love. Which is why I hope the love comes in the form a of tricks and skills. A lot of the base stats are fine (kinda...) - apart from scan range which is a ******* travesty.

I'd love things like no fall damage/no damp recovery time, some kind of stamina friendly vaulting capability, two equips would be nice - though we should get reduction to equipment grid use rather than general PG/CPU bonuses.

I don't want the scout to get a 'buff'- I want the scout to be more 'scouty' rather than be underweight assaults.

If I feel that I'm the only one trying I bust out the GLU-5 and go for KDR. Not an efficient way to play but the feeling of you vs them is a fun challenge.