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Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:23:00 -
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Gallente with regular plates. It's easy to navigate to a supply depot and swap fits so you can throw down a quick triage and repair then switch back to a scanner or whatever. I think some people here lack the creativity to be a scout.
Edit: And shield extenders. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1425
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:46:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:Gallente with regular plates. It's easy to navigate to a supply depot and swap fits so you can throw down a quick triage and repair then switch back to a scanner or whatever. I think some people here lack the creativity to be a scout. Triage hives (not compacts because they do F-all!) are far too CPU/PG hungry for most light suits.
Regular armor plates slow us down, even just a little reduces the gap between light suits and medium suits to basically nothing but the eHP gap is still huge. That leaves your only advantage the lower profile, which disappears the moment someone brings out a proto scanner. You can still avoid most scanners by using PD mods but then you're giving up slots for reppers, reds or greens.
There's a hell of a lot of creativity in the scout community because we have to try out some wacky fits to find anything that'll work. For one, I run dual sidearms, so I can free up CPU for damage mods and a complex repper on my adv gal scout but even with electronics to lvl 5 I have to use a CPU mod to fit it all.
And one last point - "It's easy to navigate to a supply depot" ??? It's easy to find the one supply depot on the map, that may or may not have been destroyed by the time you reach it or may or may not be in enemy hands and if it's not available, the only way to swap fits is to run all the way back to base! Not easy, not quick. |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:53:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Satori Particle wrote:Gallente with regular plates. It's easy to navigate to a supply depot and swap fits so you can throw down a quick triage and repair then switch back to a scanner or whatever. I think some people here lack the creativity to be a scout. Triage hives (not compacts because they do F-all!) are far too CPU/PG hungry for most light suits. Regular armor plates slow us down, even just a little reduces the gap between light suits and medium suits to basically nothing but the eHP gap is still huge. That leaves your only advantage the lower profile, which disappears the moment someone brings out a proto scanner. You can still avoid most scanners by using PD mods but then you're giving up slots for reppers, reds or greens. There's a hell of a lot of creativity in the scout community because we have to try out some wacky fits to find anything that'll work. For one, I run dual sidearms, so I can free up CPU for damage mods and a complex repper on my adv gal scout but even with electronics to lvl 5 I have to use a CPU mod to fit it all. And one last point - "It's easy to navigate to a supply depot" ??? It's easy to find the one supply depot on the map, that may or may not have been destroyed by the time you reach it or may or may not be in enemy hands and if it's not available, the only way to swap fits is to run all the way back to base! Not easy, not quick.
I'm not saying you should run around with a triage, do a quick swap and switch back. "Some" people lack the creativity which means a minority. I'm constantly swapping fits without a problem. If your skills are high enough the armor plates are more than valid. One supply depot? |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
429
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:05:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Once more people start using active scanners scouts die in seconds. They're crazy fragile and are now too slow to properly evade other weapons' tracking speed. Everyone dies in seconds and a propper scout should always be the one to initiate a gun battle.
That's actually a good point tbh. Thanks to CCP giving every shmuck with a militia AR a huge crutch, there is simply no point in running proto suits anymore.
I'm all for taking cover, but to die in 2sec because people don't need any aiming skills whatsoever to hit with every single shot is ridiculous. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1427
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:22:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:One supply depot? Yes. Most maps only have one supply depot outside of red lines there days. |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:23:00 -
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I have tried every scout fit imaginable, all I'm trying to say at this point is to try and stack plates and extenders, grab the stupid AR and play the game for what it is. I have felt the same scout pains as everyone else in this community and I have found something that has been working for me. I would honestly like to hear from those who have tried this model, and I thank those for debating. Debate is how we get **** done. |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.11 21:32:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Satori Particle wrote:One supply depot? Yes. Most maps only have one supply depot outside of red lines there days.
I feel like there is always one available, maybe it's because of how frequent the new sockets ect. are in rotation and they are a little less convenient to blow up. Either way the speed penalty for stacking armor plates adds up to 4% and my bio covers it. Speed is under powered anyway unless you start the game off in a runner suit to snag early points which I do before swapping fits. |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
12
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Posted - 2013.09.11 22:20:00 -
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Forgot to add "proof" to this thread so I went and played a match real quick.
http://i.imgur.com/6wLJehK.jpg |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
486
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:12:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:I am having a terrible time as a scout. You gotta hide in dark corners like a little b!tch and pretend that sneaking up on reddots from the back is any indication of your skill or game challenge.
Speed tanking does not exist anymore. Your skill with a gun is meaningless now. But hey you got that 'sneaky assasin' playstyle that's now semi legitimate. Congrats. I win plenty of face to face gun battles. It is not impossible to get around an enemies cone of fire like a lot of people claim.
No, it's not. But that puts you into the cone of fire of the reddot that stands behind the first reddot.... So..... W/o speed tanking you can do only that much. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
486
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:15:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:What is this crap?
A positive Scout/Heavy thread?
People actually enjoying playing with these suits?
VERBOTEN!
I am 100% with you. I just don't see it. If I try open combat I got 0.1 KDR these days. Then I switch to the basic starting AR pre-set suit and go positive.... So.... Something is off. |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
486
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Posted - 2013.09.12 05:17:00 -
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This is not really a proof since you could have been dropping OS for all we know but, w/e, I believe you. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1174
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Posted - 2013.09.12 06:25:00 -
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That's not a good score.,.
Edit: at least not me anyways lol |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
172
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Posted - 2013.09.12 07:28:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Scouts aren't hat stealthy once advanced scanner comes to play. To bypass the advanced scanner you would need profile dampening lvl 5 plus a profile dampener or scout lvl 3 at least.
Imho thats a bit too much considering a suit that is build around sealth and speed (where the speed advantage is highly questionable) I run a lvl 5 Scout w/ lvl 3 dampening, & only a proto scanner can find me when not running a dampening module. If I run a basic dampening mod then i'm pretty much invisible.
Depends on the scanner there is one scanner that can go down to 15db and there is only one scout that can bypass this value and that suit needs 3 profile dampener and maxed skills.
And just look on the SP investment you have to make to avoid an the proto scanner roughly 1.4 mil SP to counter a 470 SP piece of equipment. To bypass the fucussed scanner you would need 1.8 mil Sp plus profile dampeners. That a bit out of balance for stealthy suit... |
Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
129
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:39:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:I have tried every scout fit imaginable, all I'm trying to say at this point is to try and stack plates and extenders, grab the stupid AR and play the game for what it is. I have felt the same scout pains as everyone else in this community and I have found something that has been working for me. I would honestly like to hear from those who have tried this model, and I thank those for debating. Debate is how we get **** done.
*2 basic reactives on my dinky 'Valor' suit (Triage Hives are a looong way down my skill plan). And I use 'Toxin' AR and SMG.
Im only likely to get first on my Team if we lose - I have to drop links/hack points to get the blues to do anything. Top 3 isn't uncommon, top 6 more likely (it's pleasing when I'm nestled in between proto-squad members when I'm soloing).
I'm using entirely STD and less then 5mil, so I'm personally happy with my performance so far. BPO or not; I always win the ISK war at least...
Before 1.4 I was aiming to fit a complex shield in my high, but now I'm working on getting under ADV scanners (racial bonuses are actually worth training now) then proto scanner/links.
I'd still be hesitant losing any speed - The amount of times I've done a Benny Hill round a bunch of boxes in order to slowly grind down a heavy/hold on till back up arrives....
I do think people will wise up and we'll see more proto-scanners in pubs, reducing the value of the perks I'm taking advantage of (Scouts are the reason I'm aiming for proto scanners...). At that point...I'll adapt again I guess. Invested too much SP in racial to switch to min-logi now. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
617
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:53:00 -
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Using a Ar an bragging about a picture isn't scout bro, knives an shotguns is scout! Coulda been sniping from the red line for all we kno , but I do kno that's not ur knife score!
All that proves is that you stole wounded kills wit a unlimited ranged weapon in my eyes, cuz if u were scout, you would never post something so dumb as scouts are beast!
Your a assault in a fast suit! |
Amy Artic
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2013.09.12 16:09:00 -
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I've swapped from assault suits to scout suits, scouts need a tiny buff imho.
Not too much tho, I go positive most games with my scout (best was 17/3) soooo they cant be that bad :). |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
151
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Posted - 2013.09.12 16:23:00 -
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Scouts are still tissue paper. Once spotted you are almost always dead. I find speed is the most important. If you can sprint at 10m/s you can flank fast enough to get the drop on people.
The speed also allows you to avoid large groups of enemies. The only issue with the speed is you cant use that as a tank. Its more for flexibility.
Local reps on a scout dont make much sense to me. You are better off carrying a compact hive and giving yourself more armor or green pill. If your running remotes then you need the speed and stamina to GTFO.
Also the flux prototype scanner goes to 18db. Its also very difficult to fit and is exceptionally expensive (32k). Very few if any people will ever utilize it considering it has a lot of drawbacks. Only people who probably have the pg/cpu to fit that is the gal logis. I have yet to be scanned when I run two adv damps on my sneaky build.
HOWEVER, at the end of the day scouts are UP because other suits can do the roles of a scout using a lower tier. I can fit a std logi with enough damps to become invisible to active scans and still have 2 equipment and more HP and a higher tier weapon. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
474
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Posted - 2013.09.12 16:26:00 -
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Let the scout bros unite! Use what you like to play and be good at it Right now we are only surviving because the game is not stable. We are trying this and trying that , we are trying to survive. Remember that we are choosing to use the most underpowered suit in the game. I think we will all be in a good position in the coming love of 1.5. Does anyone else get a sick kind of joy from killing the overpowered players in a light/scout suit? If you gonna use the AR to survive and get all the kills like everyone else__so be it. I don't want to touch that weapon.
I would recommend gaining iskies with free/mlt gear so you can spend it on scout suits. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
474
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Posted - 2013.09.12 16:29:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Satori Particle wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Once more people start using active scanners scouts die in seconds. They're crazy fragile and are now too slow to properly evade other weapons' tracking speed. Everyone dies in seconds and a propper scout should always be the one to initiate a gun battle. That's actually a good point tbh. Thanks to CCP giving every shmuck with a militia AR a huge crutch, there is simply no point in running proto suits anymore. I'm all for taking cover, but to die in 2sec because people don't need any aiming skills whatsoever to hit with every single shot is ridiculous. this is annoying. Let them use their own hands not the computer to track. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
213
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:07:00 -
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Heres the thing, people seem only to use scouts in pubs, when it comes to PC scouts are in no way imaginable viable. PC is what the game should be balanced around, can ANY of you actually say scouts are balanced for PC? |
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Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:00:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Using a Ar an bragging about a picture isn't scout bro, knives an shotguns is scout! Coulda been sniping from the red line for all we kno , but I do kno that's not ur knife score!
All that proves is that you stole wounded kills wit a unlimited ranged weapon in my eyes, cuz if u were scout, you would never post something so dumb as scouts are beast!
Your a assault in a fast suit!
A scout is only a scout if he / she uses knives and shotguns and to get 20+ kills I must have been jacking kills. I love you guys.
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Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:15:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Scouts are still tissue paper. Once spotted you are almost always dead. I find speed is the most important. If you can sprint at 10m/s you can flank fast enough to get the drop on people.
The speed also allows you to avoid large groups of enemies. The only issue with the speed is you cant use that as a tank. Its more for flexibility.
Local reps on a scout dont make much sense to me. You are better off carrying a compact hive and giving yourself more armor or green pill. If your running remotes then you need the speed and stamina to GTFO.
Also the flux prototype scanner goes to 18db. Its also very difficult to fit and is exceptionally expensive (32k). Very few if any people will ever utilize it considering it has a lot of drawbacks. Only people who probably have the pg/cpu to fit that is the gal logis. I have yet to be scanned when I run two adv damps on my sneaky build.
HOWEVER, at the end of the day scouts are UP because other suits can do the roles of a scout using a lower tier. I can fit a std logi with enough damps to become invisible to active scans and still have 2 equipment and more HP and a higher tier weapon.
My scanner keeps me from blobs, and to fit a logi scout is way more expensive ( not that that's a very good argument lol)
I see what you guys are saying, and honestly I admit defeat. Scouts are under powered, out matched and fragile, however they are not as under powered as most people claim.
Scouts are not beast, but they aren't trash. Thanks for the debate guys (even though that wasn't the intended purpose of this thread), I'm going to go jack people's kills and drop orbitals.
One more thing though, when they buff us I expect the greatest flood of tears this community has ever seen. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
143
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:53:00 -
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Considering what way current scouts play, *any* upgrade is going to let us wreck face. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1040
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Posted - 2013.09.12 19:55:00 -
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DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:Considering what way current scouts play, *any* upgrade is going to let us wreck face.
If and only if the AR is brought into balance. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
64
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:23:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:Considering what way current scouts play, *any* upgrade is going to let us wreck face. If and only if the AR is brought into balance.
I really don't see that happening, honestly. |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
621
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Posted - 2013.09.12 23:54:00 -
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Satori Particle wrote:OZAROW wrote:Using a Ar an bragging about a picture isn't scout bro, knives an shotguns is scout! Coulda been sniping from the red line for all we kno , but I do kno that's not ur knife score!
All that proves is that you stole wounded kills wit a unlimited ranged weapon in my eyes, cuz if u were scout, you would never post something so dumb as scouts are beast!
Your a assault in a fast suit! A scout is only a scout if he / she uses knives and shotguns and to get 20+ kills I must have been jacking kills. I love you guys. Well common man saying beast when using AA an a gun that can hit across the map wouldn't matter what suit ur wearing, go cqc a pack of reds with nothing but knives an let's see what your score is.
I've gone 26/7 type matches with this build with under 250 total health an can also go 15/13 or 6/13, depends on the teams but I would never say its beast! |
OZAROW
WarRavens League of Infamy
621
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Posted - 2013.09.13 00:46:00 -
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Ya bro I'm not ripping on you but I gotta ask, do you have a lot of sp or a lot in scout? Have you ran sg or knives an snuck rite up on someone an had them dead to rites an your knives or sg didn't register , only tapped them on the shoulder so they could turn around an smoke you in one burst, an your bodies are so close that his AR barrel would actuall be past your body an your weapons still do no damage yet your dead in seconds?
Do you have millions of skill points an still can't fit anything on ur suit without mix matching basic an proto gear because of crappy CPU ?
Did you play in the beginning of beta when shotguns worked an we had 6 slots an 2 equips?
A lot of us have an this is why guys disagree with "beast" because that's what they were now their just disappointing but we make it work praying they become half of what they were .
Shared vision being disabled helps, but that's taken away by AR power an range, sp an skill s don't matter like they used too |
Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.09.13 08:34:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Ya bro I'm not ripping on you but I gotta ask, do you have a lot of sp or a lot in scout? Have you ran sg or knives an snuck rite up on someone an had them dead to rites an your knives or sg didn't register , only tapped them on the shoulder so they could turn around an smoke you in one burst, an your bodies are so close that his AR barrel would actuall be past your body an your weapons still do no damage yet your dead in seconds?
Do you have millions of skill points an still can't fit anything on ur suit without mix matching basic an proto gear because of crappy CPU ?
Did you play in the beginning of beta when shotguns worked an we had 6 slots an 2 equips?
A lot of us have an this is why guys disagree with "beast" because that's what they were now their just disappointing but we make it work praying they become half of what they were .
Shared vision being disabled helps, but that's taken away by AR power an range, sp an skill s don't matter like they used too
I already admitted that the scout wasn't beast, and that I was wrong. I have about 11,000,000 sp and feel what everyone in the scout community is going through. I ran a "true scout" fit earlier, had a wicked nova knife kill actually, and honestly as I'm writing this it strikes me that this is what makes the scout "beast", so yeah I take it back, the scout is ******* beast. Not if you classify "beast" as being able to go 20 and 2 every game( 35 and 2 for the dills who say 20 and 2 isn't beast). We get the sickest kills and feel the best moments. This is the reason it's so fun, because our "scout" moments are intense and full of rediculous skill. Think about what we have to do to compete, if you make the scout suit too good it will kill those moments. We will be zombies like these other shitiots walking around with overpowered amounts of HP and spitting out stupid amounts of DPS.
Nova Knifing a light or medium suit in the back even without a charge should be an instant kill. A charged strike should kill anyone instantly. Can I please carry 2 pieces of equipment? My shotgun farts sometimes. I'm not sure where I'm going with this anymore...
Scouts are beast because we are beast. We chose hard mode.
Buffs will kill our rush.
So keep health the same but give us 2 equipment slots and more strafe speed, fix our weapons and bake us cake. Scouts are bipolar. I'm curious...
How many of us scouts are bipolar?
Beast.
Scanner.
Hey guys I'm scanning with my scanner....
Who cares.
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Yan Darn
DUST University Ivy League
134
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:05:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:Heres the thing, people seem only to use scouts in pubs, when it comes to PC scouts are in no way imaginable viable. PC is what the game should be balanced around, can ANY of you actually say scouts are balanced for PC?
Nope. This is essentially why no one really argues against scouts being UP.
Though as Satori says - we do get the best moments. If you've played the new Tomb Raider, my scout is a lot like Lara - yeah im a bit more agile and that, but it comes down to being downright scrappy and ignoring this 'stand and deliver' kind of gameplay which seems to be common. I rarely kill someone by 'accident' - it's because I made sure I was in the right place, at the right time against the right enemy - and then made sure I had a back up plan - and then an escape route!
Also agree with him about the scout losing a little magic when they get some love. Which is why I hope the love comes in the form a of tricks and skills. A lot of the base stats are fine (kinda...) - apart from scan range which is a ******* travesty.
I'd love things like no fall damage/no damp recovery time, some kind of stamina friendly vaulting capability, two equips would be nice - though we should get reduction to equipment grid use rather than general PG/CPU bonuses.
I don't want the scout to get a 'buff'- I want the scout to be more 'scouty' rather than be underweight assaults.
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Satori Particle
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:15:00 -
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Yan Darn wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:Heres the thing, people seem only to use scouts in pubs, when it comes to PC scouts are in no way imaginable viable. PC is what the game should be balanced around, can ANY of you actually say scouts are balanced for PC? Nope. This is essentially why no one really argues against scouts being UP. Though as Satori says - we do get the best moments. If you've played the new Tomb Raider, my scout is a lot like Lara - yeah im a bit more agile and that, but it comes down to being downright scrappy and ignoring this 'stand and deliver' kind of gameplay which seems to be common. I rarely kill someone by 'accident' - it's because I made sure I was in the right place, at the right time against the right enemy - and then made sure I had a back up plan - and then an escape route! Also agree with him about the scout losing a little magic when they get some love. Which is why I hope the love comes in the form a of tricks and skills. A lot of the base stats are fine (kinda...) - apart from scan range which is a ******* travesty. I'd love things like no fall damage/no damp recovery time, some kind of stamina friendly vaulting capability, two equips would be nice - though we should get reduction to equipment grid use rather than general PG/CPU bonuses. I don't want the scout to get a 'buff'- I want the scout to be more 'scouty' rather than be underweight assaults. I agree 100%. |
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