Are LAV drivers aware sometimes, we ask you to go somewhere by shooting at it?
Tanks need to be prepared to move slower whdn pushing so allied infantry can use it as cover (now more than ever)
Dropships I feel for you bro!!

if your using a tank for cover then your doing something wrong. if you using to provide suppressive fire maybe but they are taking our unlimited ammo away so not is not a role most tank will be willing to do any more.

when i do use mine for transport i don't mind a shoot to where you want to but most of the time it is just for me and if you weren't planning on coming with then don't hop in, it not like im using to get to a sniper spot or some remote area of the map.

How is infantry using tank for cover wrong? If we are pushing across open terrain, or assaulting an enemy entrenched in a socket,we need cover, especially since 1.4, if there is no cover you are essentially exexpecting us to run across no man's land while our enemy picks us of for target practice, if you want us to suppress av attempts for you, we need cover to do it from!!

Surely? .

How is infantry using tank for cover wrong? If we are pushing across open terrain, or assaulting an enemy entrenched in a socket,we need cover, especially since 1.4, if there is no cover you are essentially exexpecting us to run across no man's land while our enemy picks us of for target practice, if you want us to suppress av attempts for you, we need cover to do it from!!

Surely? .

How is infantry using tank for cover wrong? If we are pushing across open terrain, or assaulting an enemy entrenched in a socket,we need cover, especially since 1.4, if there is no cover you are essentially exexpecting us to run across no man's land while our enemy picks us of for target practice, if you want us to suppress av attempts for you, we need cover to do it from!!

Surely? .

What cover could be provided if we're rolling towards 3 PRO swarms? Plus, we're faster than you.

Swarms are now stronger than ever so we can't afford to stop anymore or else we will be dead before we can accelerate again.

Well you see thats just it, if you have infantry supporting you, we will take care of the swarms, you cant dodge them so going a little slower isnt going to be that much of a problem.

Or does the fact that you are faster instantly mean that we can't expect any kind of infantry vechile interplay?

At the moment tanking consists of steamroll enemy at point A, leave to steamroll point B, infantry follow behind like lapdogs and mop up your mess!! If you believe thats the way its done, I think your gonna get a suprise in 1.5!!

If youre out in the open, what difference does it make?, your not gonna bug out intime, unless you l
sacrificed tanking for speed!!

How is infantry using tank for cover wrong? If we are pushing across open terrain, or assaulting an enemy entrenched in a socket,we need cover, especially since 1.4, if there is no cover you are essentially exexpecting us to run across no man's land while our enemy picks us of for target practice, if you want us to suppress av attempts for you, we need cover to do it from!!

Surely? .

Oh please, tell me more about how to tank. I have tanked only 9 months so I need some advices from infantry.

Well you see thats just it, if you have infantry supporting you, we will take care of the swarms, you cant dodge them so going a little slower isnt going to be that much of a problem.

Or does the fact that you are faster instantly mean that we can't expect any kind of infantry vechile interplay?

At the moment tanking consists of steamroll enemy at point A, leave to steamroll point B, infantry follow behind like lapdogs and mop up your mess!! If you believe thats the way its done, I think your gonna get a suprise in 1.5!!

Yet to see you guys get off your asses and hunt down that AV.... if you did my Tank losses would be significantly less.

Some oc us do but its a big hard, when there is 100m gap with no cover!!

Some oc us do but its a big hard, when there is 100m gap with no cover!!

Fact of the matter is if I can do that job better when I get out of my tank than a specced infantryman you are doing something wrong.

grab a LAV or even better a dropship if you need to go that far. they are transport that use can use to well trasnport yourself over that 100m gap into better positions where there is cover. your not really wanting 6+ people walking behind a tank as it walks up to an objective and if you do your insane.

Im not specced specifically for Anti AV ops, but some of us do out best but in new eden, its adapt or die right? So why am I gonnago out of MY way to save YOUR tank, when all I get in return is 1 extra kill, wasted ammo, you stealing a load of my kills and then not even protecting me when I cap a point. Its completly illogical to assume im going to give a Monkey's uncle to assume im going to care enough, when I get nothing out of the agreement.

A bird doesn't sit on a hippos back for fun he wants food, and the hippo allows it because he wants rid of lice!

Im not specced specifically for Anti AV ops, but some of us do out best but in new eden, its adapt or die right? So why am I gonnago out of MY way to save YOUR tank, when all I get in return is 1 extra kill, wasted ammo, you stealing a load of my kills and then not even protecting me when I cap a point. Its completly illogical to assume im going to give a Monkey's uncle to assume im going to care enough, when I get nothing out of the agreement.

A bird doesn't sit on a hippos back for fun he wants food, and the hippo allows it because he wants rid of lice!

Well that tactic works today, I'm understanding that tanks are little squishy at the moment, but as dashki illistrated so well, tankers (at lest 99% of the ones ive dealt with) are just plain greedy, yet you want us to take care of infantry av, what do we get in return?

Yes, for God's sake take out the AV and Swarm guys. Like Agent Smith said, "Find them and destroy them!" Simple.

Also, for the love of God, if the opposing team brings out a tank, can you please put your attention on the tank and lets work together to take it out? I'm so tired of the tank being ignored. Then the opposing team uses the tank to back us up against the redline or pin us to a location while infantry runs around picking us off in the chaos.

Trust me, that strategy of "hurry up and kill the reds before their tank destroys us" most of time does not work.

And yes, have some courtesy on the field. If the driver gets out of his vehicle to hack an objective. Don't just jump out and take his vehicle. Whenever he gets out, you get out. I probably want to recall my vehicle and can't because Sgt Numb Nuts is just sitting there waiting on the cruise around the park in New Eden

right... you are insane, i got it. i am done with the likes of you.

Im not specced specifically for Anti AV ops, but some of us do out best but in new eden, its adapt or die right? So why am I gonnago out of MY way to save YOUR tank, when all I get in return is 1 extra kill, wasted ammo, you stealing a load of my kills and then not even protecting me when I cap a point. Its completly illogical to assume im going to give a Monkey's uncle to assume im going to care enough, when I get nothing out of the agreement.

A bird doesn't sit on a hippos back for fun he wants food, and the hippo allows it because he wants rid of lice!

This is unbelievable. C'mon don't tell me BloodThirsty is allowing his corp members to think like this. This is a team effort here. The tank is the big bully on the field. It's an anchor that can provide leverage for your team. To think selfishly by saying that you're infantry and you got other crap to worry about only tells me that you're the type to leave your teammates to dry. The type that would allow a red to kill his teammate just to get the 50 points for the kill.

That's terrible. That means you're just another red posing as a green/blue. Not only do I have to worry about the other team, I have to watch you because you definitely don't have my six.

This is unbelievable. C'mon don't tell me BloodThirsty is allowing his corp members to think like this. This is a team effort here. The tank is the big bully on the field. It's an anchor that can provide leverage for your team. To think selfishly by saying that you're infantry and you got other crap to worry about only tells me that you're the type to leave your teammates to dry. The type that would allow a red to kill his teammate just to get the 50 points for the kill.

That's terrible. That means you're just another red posing as a green/blue. Not only do I have to worry about the other team, I have to watch you because you definitely don't have my six.

You just have to kill the other ground guys, I have to deal with the dangerous **** like other tanks, and OB's.

Do infantry even want to win in DUST sounds like you are overly focused on personal performance.

Im bringing 5x as much ISK on average to a fight than infantryman.

Why would you not defend one of your most important assets on the map?

Well then, enlighten me, tell me how your more than just an attack dog, and infantry is just a guy that has to deal with $#@& you leave behind, tell me apart from butchering a load of people you are tactical assest to your squad, tell me what you do as a tanker that benifits your team more then you?

Please, im prepared to listen, but my entire experince with tanks, both inside and out, both piloting myself, to being pitted against one, has boiled down to a gung ho approach of "its alright lads sit back ive got this"

Edit: Top half prehaps a little too aggresive!!

I could easily say the same about tankers, when you sit there going 20-0 who gets the most benifit, me or you?? You bring 5x the amount of isk, but you loose it considerably less, why don't you defend THE most important assest on the map.

Ladwar, of course we can pop a guy av ing your tank, we expect to be moving and firing, with you not just walking behind like a bimble!! You could also link up a sniper and have him help?

This is unbelievable. C'mon don't tell me BloodThirsty is allowing his corp members to think like this. This is a team effort here. The tank is the big bully on the field. It's an anchor that can provide leverage for your team. To think selfishly by saying that you're infantry and you got other crap to worry about only tells me that you're the type to leave your teammates to dry. The type that would allow a red to kill his teammate just to get the 50 points for the kill.

That's terrible. That means you're just another red posing as a green/blue. Not only do I have to worry about the other team, I have to watch you because you definitely don't have my six.

I can go 29-0 and not win the match, once that happens the entire battle was for nothing.... oh wait I did this the other day.... infantry let down again.

I am spending my time in constant fear of the following things

RAIL TURRETS
FORGEGUNNERS
SWARM LAUNCHERS
AV GRENADES
OTHER TANKS
ASSAULT DROPSHIPS

3 of these thinks are easy kills for infantry, the turrets are even easier since no one pays attention while gunning on them.

You will often find me in the thick of things at enemy held objectives trying to win the match. All the infantry I see are off ******* around in the hills trying to score a 50 point kill..... really even when I was infantry I went balls to the wall for my team every game. **** your selfish ass mind-set.

I have you know, I work very well with my squad, I never leave them unless im setting up a flanking posistion. That doesn't excuse the fact that they happen to just up and leave when you need them, I have co-ordinated with tankers before and when you work together it can be a juggernaut of death, and I dont see how swandwiching a tank between one of your squishy infantry fellows and few ar rounds should be that much of a bother, even if all it is too allow him to escape and repair, or push forward!!

All we need is to know that if some one is firing swarms at us, you will kill them. That is all.

During a push if the tank goes down the entire push is less likely to succeed.

You Tank Micheal?

Care to teach me some tips and tricks sometime. My "little Soma that could" will have your back.

No I don't tank. I'm actually looking for somebody to teach me the basics of tanking. It's a skill that I must learn...

Infantry - Vehicle Treaty
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Failure to comply gives the driver the right to destroy his vehicle with you in it by hurling it into brick walls, bailing out while nitro-boosting into enemy territory, driving into waste pits, redlining or any other cruel and interesting way he sees fit.

Look ladies and gents, we have to sort something out. The lack of communication and particularly the size of the new maps means we need more help getting around. Also some passengers need to know the basics - I don't want to rant and shout to the heavens F***ING BLUEBERRIES cus it gets us nowhere. Unless CCP decides to give us a command wheel like the squad leader has - except for passengers - to request destinations and highlight threats then this is the best I can do. I welcome all feedback. Now I'm not a tank driver and I since I have my own vehicles I'm rarely a passenger outside a squad owned vehicle so I would like your perspectives also.

Infantry
Ok I get the whole 'shoot to request pickup' thing some of us do, but really then what? Where do you want to go? If the driver gets to his destination then I'm sorry, you'll have to get out. Its not the isk (though to some it is) but its because you can't recall it and therefore you have to leave it to self destruct or let the enemy destroy it and give them +40WP and bring their team closer to an orbital. So I'm sorry but:

1. If you get in someone else's vehicle you forfeit the ability to get to your desired destination.
2. Once the driver has stopped get out immediately. Your a multi kill AV threat to our team the longer you stay
3. Failure to comply gives the driver the right to destroy his vehicle with you in it by hurling it into brick walls, bailing out while nitro-boosting into enemy territory, driving into waste pits, redlining or any other cruel and interesting way he sees fit.

Turrets
Yes its all very exciting getting a big boy gun but for heavens sake consider the vehicle and the driver.

1. You are permitted 1/2 shots or a short salvo on entering to establish what kind of weapon you have.
2. After that DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU NEED TO - The driver is getting enough attention without you giving away your presence. Your gun is not big enough to take out buildings or destroy the planet, stop trying.
3. If a target is in your sights and the reticle isn't red then forget it. Your out of range.
4. Don't fire on installations - Their AI is better now and if the driver isn't expecting it you'll get killed. Wait for the driver to start gunning and help keep its shields down. But remember your priority is infantry so keep an eye out
5. If your conservative you can not only get kills easier but also alert the driver of threats around him so you both rack up more points

Tanks
We need them, and they need us (ok, lets face facts, without proto tanks they need us more). Lets give them a hand

1. Once the tanks start rolling the enemy will be cycling into AV kits - Which means less Locus Nades and AR's to deal with. Push forward along with the tank and take the objective.
2. Change you priority of targets to the AV users. Keep the enemy out of grenade range of the tank and flush them out of cover.
3. Tank drivers - In exchange for this don't run into us and turn us into a paralysed hood ornament
4. LAV drivers - Tanks have right of way. Failure to comply will result in your precious car being turned into a cube at the HAV users discretion

Dropships
Forgive me if I get personal at this stage

1. All that has been mentioned on turrets applies again x20. Keep the noise down!
2. DS's have all the structural integrity of wet paper bags in sandstorms - If I stop to let you out, GET THE HELL OUT FAST. I can't hang around admiring the scenery.
3. I know CCP has decided to paralyse passengers so you cant look around but QUIT FIDGETING IN THE SEATS -I swear I'll turn this ship around and go home!!
4. Unless your in a Assault dropship assume the driver doesn't want you gunning for him. We usually have dedicated corp mates to do that. Also only shoot when in a hover and quite close to the ground
5. Remember you can still be shot. The driver may try to keep you out of harms way but usually has his hands full. Keep an eye on your meters in the lower left (inner circles)

I need a lay down

Nice treaty but infantry are stupid

No I don't tank. I'm actually looking for somebody to teach me the basics of tanking. It's a skill that I must learn...

Im not specced specifically for Anti AV ops, but some of us do out best but in new eden, its adapt or die right? So why am I gonnago out of MY way to save YOUR tank, when all I get in return is 1 extra kill, wasted ammo, you stealing a load of my kills and then not even protecting me when I cap a point. Its completly illogical to assume im going to give a Monkey's uncle to assume im going to care enough, when I get nothing out of the agreement.

A bird doesn't sit on a hippos back for fun he wants food, and the hippo allows it because he wants rid of lice!