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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:34:00 -
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Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
412
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:35:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate.
in eve i'm a pirate. i'm all about pvp, and nothing more. i want to represent this community. letting a bunch of high-sec dwellers run the cpm is stupid. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
505
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:35:00 -
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The election will be bought like most election with fake money |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:38:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. using IP addressees or the PS3's equivalent. |
Provectus Lembos
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:41:00 -
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Why not have it so each vote can only be counted if your character has over 3 hours of playtime. This way, if you REALLY like a guy for a part of CPM and you wanna be a scrub hen you gotta put in some work |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1054
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:42:00 -
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MAC addresses |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:45:00 -
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low genius wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. in eve i'm a pirate. i'm all about pvp, and nothing more. i want to represent this community. letting a bunch of high-sec dwellers run the cpm is stupid.
We need representation from all aspects. Who are we to tell anyone that their play style is wrong? All parts of EVE are needed and high sec is no different. I carebeared around for a while, low seced it and now I live in null. I will have to say that null is the easiest place to be if you are in a decent corp. With that said I still think null pilots are a valued viewpoint just like high sec pilots are. No part of the game should be under represented because without a balanced area of play we will never have the numbers we want. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:46:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. using IP addressees or the PS3's equivalent.
I would like to see the MAC address used. I own two PS3s but at least it would limit me to two. Something will need to be done. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
8214
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:50:00 -
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I'm more curious for the nomination process. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1632
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:54:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Killar-12 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. using IP addressees or the PS3's equivalent. I would like to see the MAC address used. I own two PS3s but at least it would limit me to two. Something will need to be done. MAC addresses can be changed quite easily. They should use the console ID because to spoof that you need another ps3's console ID and a hacked ps3 (Which means the console will be banned pretty quickly by Sony) |
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:57:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Killar-12 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Is anyone thinking about running for CPM1? If so how should we vote on them? With free accounts I don't see how we can have a free and fair election. I am very curious to see how CCP plans to work this out. EVE is a paid subscription - either money or plex - and every one gets a vote. With the ability to make as many accouts as we want voter fraud will probably run rampant. Just been thinking about how it would work and would like to put it to the community for their views. I don't remember seeing a thread like this so sorry if it is a duplicate. using IP addressees or the PS3's equivalent. I would like to see the MAC address used. I own two PS3s but at least it would limit me to two. Something will need to be done. Those can be changed quite easily. They should use the console ID because to spoof that you need another ps3's console ID and a hacked ps3 (Which means the console will be banned pretty quickly by Sony)
MAC addresses cannot be changed they are hard coded into everything with an internet connection. Routers can clone MAC addresses but not can be changed. They are different for every device forever. MAC |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1632
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:00:00 -
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Deleted. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:02:00 -
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it is not changed but it is fooled, but I edited my post to show my ignorance on your point. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
951
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I'm more curious for the nomination process.
I think a technique like the one use to elect the CSM would be a good nomination setup but the election might be difficult. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
76
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:09:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected.
*edit* CSM and CPM are just online popularity contests, I have seen some good work done by the CSM in the past but the number of times they have be totally useless have far outweighed the number of times they have actually helped. They always bring their politics with them and try to get the devs to build things to their corporations advantage. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1058
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:11:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
76
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:19:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM
Oh yes hes competent, but hes also a crude, viscious horrible person, perfect for eve really. He did tell someone to go kill himself on a live stream right in front of the sony devs. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1058
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:23:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM Oh yes hes competent, but hes also a crude, viscious horrible person, perfect for eve really. He did tell someone to go kill himself on a live stream right in front of the sony devs. We need shit done though, wow in front of sony devs and sony still has this game on it's system... |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
864
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:26:00 -
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Refundable Aurum deposit after election |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
955
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:27:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM Oh yes hes competent, but hes also a crude, viscious horrible person, perfect for eve really. He did tell someone to go kill himself on a live stream right in front of the sony devs.
Bad form, it wasn't totally like that. There was a lot of bad press about something that was blown out of proportion. |
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
958
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:30:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Refundable Aurum deposit after election
What would be the price and it would disenfranchise people who play for free and can't afford to pay. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1060
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:40:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Refundable Aurum deposit after election P2W... |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
958
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:43:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM Oh yes hes competent, but hes also a crude, viscious horrible person, perfect for eve really. He did tell someone to go kill himself on a live stream right in front of the sony devs.
The video of what was said. The apology on the forum. All people make mistakes especially when drunk, have power (real or not) and laughing with frineds. It isn't as bad as it seemed to be and with cyber bulling being such a hot topic at the time the outrage was a little much. It was made in while making fun a QQ post and I would bet that many of us have made or will make the same mistake. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
78
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:51:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Killar-12 wrote:MAC addresses You can easily spoof mac addresses, CPM will be won by goonfeet and subreddit, suprised you don't see people trying to get mittens elected. Hell I might vote mittens if he was available, he's competent. You'd probably have to have a dust Acct to get in the CPM Oh yes hes competent, but hes also a crude, viscious horrible person, perfect for eve really. He did tell someone to go kill himself on a live stream right in front of the sony devs. The video of what was said. The apology on the forum. All people make mistakes especially when drunk, have power (real or not) and laughing with frineds. It isn't as bad as it seemed to be and with cyber bulling being such a hot topic at the time the outrage was a little much. It was made in while making fun a QQ post and I would bet that many of us have made or will make the same mistake.
Well yeah joking around with friends and stuff, thats fine, difference is he was on a live stream with sony developers in the auidence (the dust forum was right before the eve forum) That is what got ccp so pissed at him and made them remove him from the CSM. |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:51:00 -
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SoTa PoP for CPM1!
There's no one better to tell CCP they're doing it wrong and getting the community involved in everything! |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1061
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Posted - 2013.09.10 02:57:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:SoTa PoP for CPM1! There's no one better to tell CCP they're doing it wrong and getting the community involved in everything! SOTA!!!! |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
959
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:00:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:
Well yeah joking around with friends and stuff, thats fine, difference is he was on a live stream with sony developers in the auidence (the dust forum was right before the eve forum) That is what got ccp so pissed at him and made them remove him from the CSM.
I totally agree that is was in bad form and he should have thought about what he was saying and how it would make him look but we shouldn't totally write him off as a bad person. I don't condone what he did but taking it out of context is just as bad as saying it. He took his punishment and apologized. That is enough for me because I do believe he learned his lesson. With that said I do believe that is a tyrant in game and gets what he deserves in game. |
Dexter Peabody
Goonfeet Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.09.10 17:27:00 -
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there was absolutely nothing wrong with his presentation, it was during the Q&A where he told the persons name. The whole thing was completely overblown and wouldn't have been an issue had he not been The Mittani |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
969
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:13:00 -
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Dexter Peabody wrote:there was absolutely nothing wrong with his presentation, it was during the Q&A where he told the persons name. The whole thing was completely overblown and wouldn't have been an issue had he not been The Mittani
I would say you are 100% correct.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1628
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:25:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:SoTa PoP for CPM1! There's no one better to tell CCP they're doing it wrong and getting the community involved in everything!
HeLL freezing over > SoTa 4 CPM
o wait fanfest is in Iceland....
I see what u did here ;)
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1628
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:28:00 -
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Provectus Lembos wrote:Why not have it so each vote can only be counted if your character has over 3 hours of playtime. This way, if you REALLY like a guy for a part of CPM and you wanna be a scrub hen you gotta put in some work
I would say 100 hours playing time...
think about it. even a casual gamer that's 1 month.
playing for a month you should have an idea of who to vote for etc etc.
3 hours... ppl will grind that just to get another vote .
gotta be realistic |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
913
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:29:00 -
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only use accounts that have bought aurum seems about right.
bump any account that has ever bought aurum up to premium status and use them to gauge the votes, add in time played as a secondary measure and you should be fine/ |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1070
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:31:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Provectus Lembos wrote:Why not have it so each vote can only be counted if your character has over 3 hours of playtime. This way, if you REALLY like a guy for a part of CPM and you wanna be a scrub hen you gotta put in some work I would say 100 hours playing time... think about it. even a casual gamer that's 1 month. playing for a month you should have an idea of who to vote for etc etc. 3 hours... ppl will grind that just to get another vote . gotta be realistic Yeah 100 Hrs and a MAC address. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
970
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:31:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:only use accounts that have bought aurum seems about right.
Pay to vote isn't a good fix or way of doing things. We need a free way to do it. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
913
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:32:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:calisk galern wrote:only use accounts that have bought aurum seems about right.
Pay to vote isn't a good fix or way of doing things. We need a free way to do it.
why not? it's the system that has worked in eve for a very long time. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1070
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:35:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:calisk galern wrote:only use accounts that have bought aurum seems about right.
Pay to vote isn't a good fix or way of doing things. We need a free way to do it. why not? it's the system that has worked in eve for a very long time. I could swear that some one who grinds plexes can get a vote too,
Could someone put a link to CSM voting procedures here? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
970
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:35:00 -
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Paying accounts ( money or plex) not paying to vote. The game makes you pay to play so paying for a vote is the only way to have access to the game. There are no "free" accounts like on DUST. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
970
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:39:00 -
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http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/csm/CSMSummary.pdf |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
913
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:39:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Paying accounts ( money or plex) not paying to vote. The game makes you pay to play so paying for a vote is the only way to have access to the game. There are no "free" accounts like on DUST.
yes, but through either plex or aurum you must pay to keep that account active and thus allow you to vote.
one way or another you need to pay to vote, you might of played eve for 8 years, if you stop paying you lose your right to vote, and if you pay for 5 or 6 accounts you can vote 6 times that's pay to vote.
aurum seems like an equally valid method to gauge legit /active users by, if you combine that with time played in say the last 2 months, you got methods that should prevent/hinder people from creating 3 dozen accounts, which is the only issue with voting atm. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
1631
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:44:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Paying accounts ( money or plex) not paying to vote. The game makes you pay to play so paying for a vote is the only way to have access to the game. There are no "free" accounts like on DUST. yes, but through either plex or aurum you must pay to keep that account active and thus allow you to vote. one way or another you need to pay to vote, you might of played eve for 8 years, if you stop paying you lose your right to vote, and if you pay for 5 or 6 accounts you can vote 6 times that's pay to vote. aurum seems like an equally valid method to gauge legit /active users by, if you combine that with time played in say the last 2 months, you got methods that should prevent/hinder people from creating 3 dozen accounts, which is the only issue with voting atm.
with a certain minimum tho... don't forget u can get a $2 AUR pack....
yet another potential flaw.
I can get on board with merc pack purchasers, but also agree this game is F2P and im sure that's a big thing they want to keep. so not allowing the super rare pure F2P player to vote, would be quite detrimental to the process.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:47:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Paying accounts ( money or plex) not paying to vote. The game makes you pay to play so paying for a vote is the only way to have access to the game. There are no "free" accounts like on DUST. yes, but through either plex or aurum you must pay to keep that account active and thus allow you to vote. one way or another you need to pay to vote, you might of played eve for 8 years, if you stop paying you lose your right to vote, and if you pay for 5 or 6 accounts you can vote 6 times that's pay to vote. aurum seems like an equally valid method to gauge legit /active users by, if you combine that with time played in say the last 2 months, you got methods that should prevent/hinder people from creating 3 dozen accounts, which is the only issue with voting atm.
In EVE it works because you have to have an active account to vote. In DUST all it takes is a PS3 and an internet connection. Only allowing someone to vote whom has bought AUR is going to disenfranchise a lot of the population. That isn't fair to the people that don't want to pay or can't pay. It has to be fair or not at all. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1071
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:55:00 -
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Can't you buy plexes from other Player Characters though? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
971
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:59:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Can't you buy plexes from other Player Characters though?
VOTER ELIGIBILITY Any active EVE Online account that is at least a full thirty (30) days in age is eligible to vote. Only one vote per accountGÇönot per characterGÇöis permitted. Thethirty-day account exclusion rule is to limit undue metagaming influence in the election, and is in line with the precepts of a modern democracy that imposes a minimum age for voting privileges. The only exclusion rule for voting is CCP employee accounts, which are ineligible. Affiliates, volunteers, partners, and interns are permitted to vote.
Yes, people buy plex with RL money and then sell them on the market. Pilots with ISK can then buy PLEX and use it to buy AUR or game time. Either way the PLEX is paid for with real money. But it doesn't matter how the account was funded as long as it has been active for 30 days so one character can vote. It is pay to vote because the game is pay to play. DUST is free to play and therefore we should not have to pay to vote. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
1071
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Can't you buy plexes from other Player Characters though? VOTER ELIGIBILITY Any active EVE Online account that is at least a full thirty (30) days in age is eligible to vote. Only one vote per accountGÇönot per characterGÇöis permitted. Thethirty-day account exclusion rule is to limit undue metagaming influence in the election, and is in line with the precepts of a modern democracy that imposes a minimum age for voting privileges. The only exclusion rule for voting is CCP employee accounts, which are ineligible. Affiliates, volunteers, partners, and interns are permitted to vote. Yes, people buy plex with RL money and then sell them on the market. Pilots with ISK can then buy PLEX and use it to buy AUR or game time. Either way the PLEX is paid for with real money. But it doesn't matter how the account was funded as long as it has been active for 30 days so one character can vote. It is pay to vote because the game is pay to play. DUST is free to play and therefore we should not have to pay to vote. Sorry for confusing you this was a question that was just about EVE I say MAC address and 100 HRS of playtime |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
972
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Posted - 2013.09.11 08:37:00 -
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I don't see many other ways of doing it. |
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