DUST Search - To those with friends who tried and quit Dust, what reasons did they give

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Vrain Matari wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:

former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity.

game modes is probably a big one.

I know CCP is afraid to "Fragment the playerbase" anymore, but they've got it backwards.
They need new game modes or they will continue to lose new players, and hemorrhage old ones.

If you owned a theme park and they were losing customers every year would you

A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides
B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change
C: Add new attractions

If you answered A, cut back on existing features, then what do you do the next year when customer turnout is even LOWER?

A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides
B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change?
C: Add new attractions

Now loop that into an infinite regression till you have no rides, and no visitors and you have demonstrated CCP's approach to the problem. A lack of ambition.

I think you excluded a scenario. What if all your rides were poorly designed, suffered from mechanical problems, and your customers were unsatisfied and angry and letting you know about it?

What do you do in that situation?

Then you don't have a choice. You need to kick it into overdrive and simultaneously work on an appeasing amount of new content And repairing old structural problems. You'd need a balance and at least 110% effort.

If you just to one or the other people will be frustrated/bored and quit.

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Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1545	Posted - 2013.09.09 00:27:00 - [1] - Quote for why they wouldn't bother playing it?
Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 72	Posted - 2013.09.09 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote My brother said it was boring, my one friend thinks it's stupid with the vague skill description, my cousin hates the realistic shooting and that he couldn't hit anything(prior 1.4), and everyone else the lack of matchmaking.
Sir Dukey The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 150	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:00:00 - [3] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Aim Assist... broken/dead game... what reason do you have to play...
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1554	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:01:00 - [4] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: My brother said it was boring, my one friend thinks it's stupid with the vague skill description, my cousin hates the realistic shooting and that he couldn't hit anything(prior 1.4), and everyone else the lack of matchmaking. Well whoever writes their skill descriptions is terrible. JS. I'd offer to do it for them, free. The only thing I can imagine is that people in Shanghi write the skill code, and then they can't properly translate it back to English for the Iceland team to understand or something.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1554	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:02:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Aim Assist... broken/dead game... what reason do you have to play... You had friends who first tested Dust in 1.4 and quit because it attempted some level of aim assist? Really?....
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 130	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:04:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Aim Assist... broken/dead game... what reason do you have to play... So your friends that are new to Dust tried the game and quit it because of aim assist That's strange since i can link 10+ posts from your whiny ass that say aim-assist helps noobs and they become gods who can take down proto's without even trying. Are you telling me they hated being good, or they only enjoy games where they get stomped by anyone who has been playing for a year +
Vee Abbey Three-body Solution 18	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:13:00 - [7] - Quote lemme quote my cousin on this one: Vee's cousin wrote: I don't get it... He's playd all of the halos, he curently plays his fair share of Black Ops and he saw right thru the games set up this isn't a unique game as much we wold like it to be, this game's just straight up convoluted.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 590	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:18:00 - [8] - Quote former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1558	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:19:00 - [9] - Quote derp*
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1558	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:24:00 - [10] - Quote Vee Abbey wrote: lemme quote my cousin on this one: Vee's cousin wrote: I don't get it... He's playd all of the halos, he curently plays his fair share of Black Ops and he saw right thru the games set up this isn't a unique game as much we wold like it to be, this game's just straight up convoluted. Well in Halo you don't have to screw around with loadouts, or selecting a new fitting after each death.

Cosgar ParagonX 5015	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:27:00 - [11] - Quote The community was one of the most toxic he'd ever seen.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1558	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:28:00 - [12] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity. game modes is probably a big one. I know CCP is afraid to "Fragment the playerbase" anymore, but they've got it backwards. They need new game modes or they will continue to lose new players, and hemorrhage old ones. If you owned a theme park and they were losing customers every year would you A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change C: Add new attractions If you answered A, cut back on existing features, then what do you do the next year when customer turnout is even LOWER? A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change? C: Add new attractions Now loop that into an infinite regression till you have no rides, and no visitors and you have demonstrated CCP's approach to the problem. A lack of ambition.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 919	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:39:00 - [13] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Me and many of my frieds had the same issue. WE bought stuff, thinking it was one way, it ended up being something else. I stayed with Dust. But when they realized they had to start playing all over to actually test/play as something else they dropped it.(they all had between 5-9 million) Thats 6 players lost because the lack of respecs.... Good going CCP / Community.
Vee Abbey Three-body Solution 18	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:42:00 - [14] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Vee Abbey wrote: I know what i said, idc this game's just straight up convoluted. Well in Halo you don't have to screw around with loadouts, or selecting a new fitting after each death. other games have given him a notion of what a particular class does, and fittings just made it all the more confusing... btw this is just my opinion don't try to convince me: curently dust is a game I like and play casually and get mad at, that will never change :) Altho the $100 I was saving up for an elite pack for late november are slowly becoming my GTA V funds
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1560	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:43:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Me and many of my frieds had the same issue. WE bought stuff, thinking it was one way, it ended up being something else. I stayed with Dust. But when they realized they had to start playing all over to actually test/play as something else they dropped it.(they all had between 5-9 million) Thats 6 players lost because the lack of respecs.... Good going CCP / Community. I think this problem is alleviated if CCP did only 2 simple things! 1. Add BPO for weapon that exists, using a militia version. (Must make a few new militias) 2. Convey to new players that skill points cannot be reallocated once spent, and to spend them wisely after testing which weapons they prefer to use. Be 100% certain that this information is received.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1560	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:45:00 - [16] - Quote Vee Abbey wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Vee Abbey wrote: I know what i said, idc this game's just straight up convoluted. Well in Halo you don't have to screw around with loadouts, or selecting a new fitting after each death. other games have given him a notion of what a particular class does, and fittings just made it all the more confusing... btw this is just my opinion don't try to convince me: curently dust is a game I like and play casually and get mad at, that will never change :) Altho the $100 I was saving up for an elite pack for late november are slowly becoming my GTA V funds Of course, yeah. No other game has as much fitting selection choices, And 1x use equipment. That's a lot to hit someone with up front and they do a poor job at it.
Raz Sidona M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 21	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:49:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Me and many of my frieds had the same issue. WE bought stuff, thinking it was one way, it ended up being something else. I stayed with Dust. But when they realized they had to start playing all over to actually test/play as something else they dropped it.(they all had between 5-9 million) Thats 6 players lost because the lack of respecs.... Good going CCP / Community. Good, CCP shouldnt just give out respecs cause someone wants something new, if that was the case then everyone would respec every time something new becomes OP. They should have picked something and stuck with it or saved to get the new item. Respecs are only warranted when the skill tree changes drastically My friends quit cause of dicks running proto in instant battles.
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:54:00 - [18] - Quote To repetitive maps were bland.. hopefully they try 1.4 especially with easy mode aiming....
SgtDoughnut M.E.R.C. Elite D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 64	Posted - 2013.09.09 02:59:00 - [19] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Aim Assist... broken/dead game... what reason do you have to play... You had friends who first tested Dust in 1.4 and quit because it attempted some level of aim assist? Really?.... Bigger shocker....he has friends!!!!
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1563	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:02:00 - [20] - Quote M McManus wrote: To repetitive maps were bland.. hopefully they try 1.4 especially with easy mode aiming.... The old maps were pretty terrible. Glad to see they're learning better level design now. The difference between old sockets and new sockets is night and ****ing day.

KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 924	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:20:00 - [21] - Quote Raz Sidona wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: for why they wouldn't bother playing it? Me and many of my frieds had the same issue. WE bought stuff, thinking it was one way, it ended up being something else. I stayed with Dust. But when they realized they had to start playing all over to actually test/play as something else they dropped it.(they all had between 5-9 million) Thats 6 players lost because the lack of respecs.... Good going CCP / Community. Good, CCP shouldnt just give out respecs cause someone wants something new, if that was the case then everyone would respec every time something new becomes OP. They should have picked something and stuck with it or saved to get the new item. Respecs are only warranted when the skill tree changes drastically My friends quit cause of dicks running proto in instant battles. Good because if a player gets to proto level he deserves to stomp on other players with them having nothing to do about it....
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 510	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:21:00 - [22] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: M McManus wrote: To repetitive maps were bland.. hopefully they try 1.4 especially with easy mode aiming.... The old maps were pretty terrible. Glad to see they're learning better level design now. The difference between old sockets and new sockets is night and ****ing day. True, CCP needs to update the old maps, anus peak is pretty awful still...
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8173	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:21:00 - [23] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: M McManus wrote: To repetitive maps were bland.. hopefully they try 1.4 especially with easy mode aiming.... The old maps were pretty terrible. Glad to see they're learning better level design now. The difference between old sockets and new sockets is night and ****ing day. Too bad there isn't any plans to redo the oldest sockets yet, the current SI the PC uses is current priority. Who knows what after those, possibly an amarrian one.
LOS HAWK Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 63	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:26:00 - [24] - Quote You guys just start off as a spec of dust you have to make something of your self in this game not people grind hard evryday and week thinking of strategies with friends . It takes time it is in fact a MMO And to it being a dead game we always get new players coming in
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 864	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:41:00 - [25] - Quote My friend's hate how poor the ds3 joystick sensitivity is. They recently tried 1.4's aiming, and the aim assist helps, but they still don't like how low the sensitivity is. They also aren't big fans of the graphics. They also "don't see the point". They played because they heard fights matter in EVE, but they don't understand how anything in the world is being changed or effected, and the monitor in merc quarters isn't as useful in Dust as it is in EVE. They also don't like how they can't change their sight/scope. ( I don't blame them here.) They don't believe a weapon shouldn't be configurable. They want to put the ACOG sights on sniper rifles and regular assault rifles, and they can't, and they find that very frustrating. They also wanted to be able to respec the SP.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 860	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:52:00 - [26] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity. game modes is probably a big one. I know CCP is afraid to "Fragment the playerbase" anymore, but they've got it backwards. They need new game modes or they will continue to lose new players, and hemorrhage old ones. If you owned a theme park and they were losing customers every year would you A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change C: Add new attractions If you answered A, cut back on existing features, then what do you do the next year when customer turnout is even LOWER? A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change? C: Add new attractions Now loop that into an infinite regression till you have no rides, and no visitors and you have demonstrated CCP's approach to the problem. A lack of ambition. I think you excluded a scenario. What if all your rides were poorly designed, suffered from mechanical problems, and your customers were unsatisfied and angry and letting you know about it? What do you do in that situation?
Grief PK D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 56	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:57:00 - [27] - Quote They realized after being lead through the Academy oblivious of the permanent nature of their skill choices that they ****** up royally (out of pure noob ignorance) and asked the valid question ... why am I being punished for my ignorance? /q
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1565	Posted - 2013.09.09 03:58:00 - [28] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity. game modes is probably a big one. I know CCP is afraid to "Fragment the playerbase" anymore, but they've got it backwards. They need new game modes or they will continue to lose new players, and hemorrhage old ones. If you owned a theme park and they were losing customers every year would you A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change C: Add new attractions If you answered A, cut back on existing features, then what do you do the next year when customer turnout is even LOWER? A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change? C: Add new attractions Now loop that into an infinite regression till you have no rides, and no visitors and you have demonstrated CCP's approach to the problem. A lack of ambition. I think you excluded a scenario. What if all your rides were poorly designed, suffered from mechanical problems, and your customers were unsatisfied and angry and letting you know about it? What do you do in that situation? Then you don't have a choice. You need to kick it into overdrive and simultaneously work on an appeasing amount of new content And repairing old structural problems. You'd need a balance and at least 110% effort. If you just to one or the other people will be frustrated/bored and quit.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1565	Posted - 2013.09.09 04:00:00 - [29] - Quote Grief PK wrote: They realized after being lead through the Academy oblivious of the permanent nature of their skill choices that they ****** up royally (out of pure noob ignorance) and asked the valid question ... why am I being punished for my ignorance? /q I'd say if they had BPO's available for every militia weapon and were NOT ALLOWED to use anything else till they completed a short tutorial that explains how items are lost and skills are permanent. This way nobody spends all 500,000 starting SP on repair tools, decides they hate it, realizes they can't undo, uninstall game, never come back.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 862	Posted - 2013.09.09 04:18:00 - [30] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: former mag clan mates kept complaining about hit detection, the presence of mouse support, poor game modes, bad ds3 sensitivity. game modes is probably a big one. I know CCP is afraid to "Fragment the playerbase" anymore, but they've got it backwards. They need new game modes or they will continue to lose new players, and hemorrhage old ones. If you owned a theme park and they were losing customers every year would you A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change C: Add new attractions If you answered A, cut back on existing features, then what do you do the next year when customer turnout is even LOWER? A: Shrink the park and discontinue operation of several rides B: Keep it the same and hope for something to change? C: Add new attractions Now loop that into an infinite regression till you have no rides, and no visitors and you have demonstrated CCP's approach to the problem. A lack of ambition. I think you excluded a scenario. What if all your rides were poorly designed, suffered from mechanical problems, and your customers were unsatisfied and angry and letting you know about it? What do you do in that situation? Then you don't have a choice. You need to kick it into overdrive and simultaneously work on an appeasing amount of new content And repairing old structural problems. You'd need a balance and at least 110% effort. If you just to one or the other people will be frustrated/bored and quit. Agreed. You have to do both, but fixing the core has to lead the content by a wee bit, which is what CCP did with 1.4, thank the Minmatar gods. Maybe those Ammarians i sacrificed on the tribal alter had an effect....



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