This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

You can always play CS 1.6 if you want hardcore FPS action.

Yes I can. Do you have a point pertinent to Dust though?

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You can always play CS 1.6 if you want hardcore FPS action.

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AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA?

The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same **** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and ****...LOL!

Get off your high horse.

Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another.

This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

First off, I don't use KBM just to make it clear, just so that this discussion is not derailed into "you are mad b/c KBM does not rule all anymore".

AA in this game is not just aim friction or some light crutch skillfully implemented for expediency. In Dust it's a frank aimbot that overrides a moderately skilled player playing w/o AA. I think this is a very basic flaw in the game right now and is worth talking about and keep bringing it up as long as it takes for CCP to recognize how big of a flop it is.

And I think overall your comment about 'lolthumbs' again demonstrates how in general ppl are unwilling to practive and improve their skill with a game controller. It's much easier to say that it's hard and turn on software that aims for you.

Then your argument should be about the strength of the AA in DUST. If you want to feel like a hardcore player, try CS out. Heard there's no AA in that game.

You're arguing about games being too casual...yet you're playing DUST? This game is borderline CoD. It's easy mode. Just fit yourself with a Caldari proto suit, Flux nades, MD, Core nades, Nano hives, and plant yourself in a compound. I would go as far as to say CoD has a deeper gameplay aspect lol...

So they added AA, and this is the huge problem in DUST? The core gameplay in this game is atrocious. The AA currently, I would I agree it's a tad bit strong, but it makes up for the poor general gameplay mechanics.

I would agree CCP needs to dial down on the magnetism on the AA, but to remove it is a dumb idea.

ATM I'm not decidedly pro nor con AA. But if AA makes people focus more on tactics/teamplay and less on ridiculous bunny-hopping/strafing, then it will actually be a good thing. If the most important prerequisite to be good at a shooter is reflexes, eye-thumb coordination and muscle memory, then you can't really claim that AA is for the ignorant sort.

DUST has quite enough of EVE-like hard core gaming mechanics to weed out the lazy, instant gratification wanting types of people.

I recall all the hardcore gamers saying Dust would fail if CCP didn't make it the way they want.

The problem is -- it seems the hard core gamers might be in the minority in terms of people who play console games.

It's a tough call. However, bring in enough players and you can start to segregate them based on "where" they play so that better players can migrate into less hand holding and higher rewards.

Oh yeah, I've been speaking about this for ages. Caldari assault/logi AR with nades is godlike in this game. I've never used medium frames, AR or nades. But this is not about me. I play DUST only because they promised a balanced game where you get to perfect your niche and that there would be game world persistence with intricate economy and player interactions. Neither of those things as far as I can tell are in the game. So, yes CCP is failing with DUST. I am just tired of lobby shooters and there is nothing that promises a persistent game world out there except for DUST, sadly.

Right now AA has been just the last drop in a puddle design and concept flaws of the game.

I've lost hope in DUST a while now. Balance in this game is almost none existent. Tactics in "competitive" gameplay is to get on rooftops and spam whatever explosives / FG you can below, use the most OP weapons, and if you're not using a Caldari suit, you're gimping yourself. Also apparently, it's cool to use the melee exploit in competitive play also.

As I've told people before, the AA currently in the game is to offset the aiming mechanics in DUST. DICE did it with BF3 when they couldn't figure out how to fix input lag...they cranked up AA so people can feel like they can aim again. They over did it.

This is how CCP "fixed" aiming. They cranked up AA, and called it a day. My character still feels like he's a stick figure moving around. There's literally no fluidity in this game. Maybe a couple years from now DUST will feel nice and fluid, and aiming won't need a practical aimbot to make it feel "OK". Till then, AA is a must.

I'm a heavy, or was till 1.4 came out, and as a heavy i feel the effect of AA more than anyone in this game. Our hitbox is so big, it's impossible to miss us. But w/e. At this point I don't care enough for this game to stress over it anymore. When DUST comes on PS4 I'll care again.

To be honest Ludvig, I spent a good bit raging about aim assist. I have recently tried changing my point of view on the subject matter.

We are exaggerating by a bit by accusing the system of being aim and click. Is it easier? Yes it is. Is it effortlessness? Not entirely. Now the game has competition.

We have leveled aiming across players, but that isn't the only aspect of skill. Tactics, flanking, cover, suit set up, squad communication. Those are other things that take skill now. We are more vulnerable because we can't strafe off on the distance while lulzing while the new berries miss most of their shots.

All the vets should adapt. Even though aiming has become monstrously easier. Aim assist in the hands of a vet who can aim, well that should give you a sharp edge over other players. Everyone really scales up when you think about it. Sure we will die more, but pro players that understand tactics will still wreck face. Kalante for example is still doing fine.

I am starting to think people that complain about the AA just suck. Yes i know it makes the game a little more casual but based on those AA videos from other games, dust's AA is not so bad. Battlefield had the hipfire pretty much lock on to the guy while moving and aim at the guy for you while aiming down the sight. same as cod. halo had you hit the guy as long as you shot a foot away from him

If AA is as good as people say then way are people having a hard time killing my little logi suit? How come people still can't hit me at range while strafing? Why are blue berries still throwing up 1-13 and worse kill counts?

I don't use AA because it messes with my aim while ADS. I tested it and the only real advantage is the hipfire. you can't twich shot lock on someone.

I am just happy hit detection has been improved.

This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

I am starting to think people that complain about the AA just suck. Yes i know it makes the game a little more casual but based on those AA videos from other games, dust's AA is not so bad. Battlefield had the hipfire pretty much lock on to the guy while moving and aim at the guy for you while aiming down the sight. same as cod. halo had you hit the guy as long as you shot a foot away from him

If AA is as good as people say then way are people having a hard time killing my little logi suit? How come people still can't hit me at range while strafing? Why are blue berries still throwing up 1-13 and worse kill counts?

I don't use AA because it messes with my aim while ADS. I tested it and the only real advantage is the hipfire. you can't twich shot lock on someone.

I am just happy hit detection has been improved.

Newberries lose out among other things b/c their DPS and eHP are far less than vet's. Also a lot of ppl still don't use AA out of principle and suffer dearly for it.

All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..."

You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long...

HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell!

This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us...
If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ?
I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ...
GET GOOD !

I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else.

EDIT: my post had nothing to do with me or my KDR as I intended it originally. you can look me up- I have had a poor KDR before and after the patch.

Ridiculous bunny hopping straffing actually requires some skill.

You talk about 'tactics and teamplay' in reality amounts only to staking protogear and trench warfare where eHP and DPS are the onle two variants that decide outcome. This is not a game and not competition but a dull exercise at gradeschool math.

This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

They're making dust to make money. Just like every other game out there. Can't make money off people don't play. At the end of the day, your opinion does not matter. Only the dollar matters.

Don't like it? Sod off. Because they sure as hell don't care (and good on them, too). If people are enjoying the game and playing, mission accomplished. They aren't here to cater to the minority like you who think that the game needs to be hard to play in order to be a "good game".

I don't use mommy's credit card, ive been playing since jan 23rd, I play for hours everyday, so im not just casual... I enjoy it its fun....

you AA cry babies forget hit detection was fixed, AA is a small part of your problem.

we controller users are now on even ground with kb/m users.

COD AA is way more over powered...

adapt.

All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..."

You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long...

HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell!

This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us...
If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ?
I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ...
GET GOOD !

You are a moron, and you being around since jan 23rd makes you irrelevant. If you arent closed beta you aint **** imo. Nah jk but yea you are still a moron, COD AA is not as overt as this but the comparison to CODs AA is most apporpriate its is the closest level to it.

People who think AA is vital to compete with KB/M is also purely dumb. In twitch shooters that could be true argument. In tracking shooters thats not even close to the case. Most DS3 users in strafing shooters, hell shooters in general dont need to make overt adjustments with their right joystick, they in fact strafe and counter strafe into their target and use right joystick to make the first major adjustment to line themselves up and then very minor adjustment to compensate for their strafe movements, IF the individual they are shooting are strafing they arent using their right joystick to match those movements because they wont be able to keep up, but rather move their strafe further then make the minor adjustments, why because most ds3 users keep high sensittivities so they can have faster turn speeds.

Learn to aim, Learn to ds3

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We already did, we just troll for lulz. Besides anyone who actually plays this game AND pays is in need of a psyche exam. As for the the game doesnt need to be hard to play in order to be a good game remark makes me laugh so hard.

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AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA?

The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same **** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and ****...LOL!

Get off your high horse.

Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another.

.... Because as we all know this game is free to play and therefore a charity that CCP gives the public and keep updated and improved on a monthly basis, so anyone who plays the game AND pays is obviously in need of a psyche exam... OBVIOUSLY.



Aim Assist is working properly and here to stay. I really wish these anti-AA threads would start getting locked down...

This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card.

Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient".

AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA?

The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same **** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and ****...LOL!

Get off your high horse.

Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another.

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I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else.

EDIT: my post had nothing to do with me or my KDR as I intended it originally. you can look me up- I have had a poor KDR before and after the patch.

Yeah, with aim assist, it's like they have no skill, even if they are good. It's nothing like before when they had better gear and more SP and were stomping a noobs.

Noobs are shooting back??? How is this happening??!?!?

AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA?

The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same **** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and ****...LOL!

Get off your high horse.

Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another.

I like how the AA argument is just like every other OP weapon or sometimes over used weapon argument.

Just an opinion out thrown out there.
How could you even talk about "competitive gameplay" when:

a) Pc lag as hell for everyone
b) There is a certain thing called "SP" that allows you to deal much more damage, have much more HP
c) you allow people to use a clearly "op" support (kb/m) on a console game
d) you allow people to pay to get "better" faster

You already said that you're not a kb/m user. Well, then, you're ranting about aim assist, but you're saying nothing about kb/m support? Aim Assist might be a bit too much, but kb/m gives you an unfair advantage compared to ds3 ( Lolthumbs as Lance said and lolinputlag, lolstrafe)
You (not you) want skills to be rewarded? play with a ds3 like anybody else. Probably then, ccp would have never considered an aim assist if not to balance ds3 vs kb/m.
More on the skills: is it a "skill" to alternately press "a" and "d" on your keyboard while aiming to be "good"? Because yes, you might think that the guy in front of you sucks at aiming, but have you ever thought that the guy is fighting against his controller first?
I think You're wrong if you think that AA is there because of "noobs". AA is there mainly because of kb/m.