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Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 312	Posted - 2013.09.08 20:16:00 - [31] - Quote TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: I am starting to think people that complain about the AA just suck. Yes i know it makes the game a little more casual but based on those AA videos from other games, dust's AA is not so bad. Battlefield had the hipfire pretty much lock on to the guy while moving and aim at the guy for you while aiming down the sight. same as cod. halo had you hit the guy as long as you shot a foot away from him If AA is as good as people say then way are people having a hard time killing my little logi suit? How come people still can't hit me at range while strafing? Why are blue berries still throwing up 1-13 and worse kill counts? I don't use AA because it messes with my aim while ADS. I tested it and the only real advantage is the hipfire. you can't twich shot lock on someone. I am just happy hit detection has been improved. True that however please refer to my proverb on the pigeon "Ridiculous bunny hopping straffing actually requires some skill.-á"
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3285	Posted - 2013.09.08 20:35:00 - [32] - Quote ITT: My opinion is superior to yours because feels.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.09.08 20:37:00 - [33] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: TEXA5 HiTM4N wrote: I am starting to think people that complain about the AA just suck. Yes i know it makes the game a little more casual but based on those AA videos from other games, dust's AA is not so bad. Battlefield had the hipfire pretty much lock on to the guy while moving and aim at the guy for you while aiming down the sight. same as cod. halo had you hit the guy as long as you shot a foot away from him If AA is as good as people say then way are people having a hard time killing my little logi suit? How come people still can't hit me at range while strafing? Why are blue berries still throwing up 1-13 and worse kill counts? I don't use AA because it messes with my aim while ADS. I tested it and the only real advantage is the hipfire. you can't twich shot lock on someone. I am just happy hit detection has been improved. Newberries lose out among other things b/c their DPS and eHP are far less than vet's. Also a lot of ppl still don't use AA out of principle and suffer dearly for it. This is true. Also if the vets don't want to use AA out of principle and suffer for it then they did not have good aim in the first place. My vets and I don't use AA. I usually ADS and cannot hit what im aiming at if there is a crowd of enemies.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 452	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:04:00 - [34] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..." You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long... HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell! This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us... If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ? I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ... GET GOOD ! I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 860	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:12:00 - [35] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..." You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long... HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell! This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us... If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ? I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ... GET GOOD ! I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else. EDIT: my post had nothing to do with me or my KDR as I intended it originally. you can look me up- I have had a poor KDR before and after the patch. They don't have to use aim assist. I'm not even half the player those elite players are and i don't need AA to compete. My scores, not that they matter, have gotten a little bit better. It's just a question of picking your fights a more carefully.
George Moros WarRavens League of Infamy 85	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:13:00 - [36] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Ridiculous bunny hopping straffing actually requires some skill. I saw that one coming. Yes, it does require skill. But it still looks completely unrealistic and ridiculous. Ludvig Enraga wrote: You talk about 'tactics and teamplay' in reality amounts only to staking protogear and trench warfare where eHP and DPS are the onle two variants that decide outcome. This is not a game and not competition but a dull exercise at gradeschool math. You say this as if things were different before AA. Vets with superior EHP/DPS protostomping noobs wasn't a reality before AA? Now at least you have vets qq-ing how AA has leveled the game and they can't go 40-0 in pub matches no more. In my DUST, a team of tactics/cooperation savvy mercs with less-than-perfect bunny hopping skills should destroy a team of good bunny hoppers with "one man army" mentalities. Of course, if a team has both of those qualities, good for them. But the question is which of those qualities should DUST mechanics be more rewarding to?
Chimeric Destiny Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:49:00 - [37] - Quote Dust a game thats supposed to be set in the "Hardcore" universe of New Eden. I guess we finally understand that the community that plays these 2 games define hardcore as the number of days they can go without a shower while they play their casual ez mode let the game do all the work for me games. I laugh at all the nerds who try to convince people that EVE is hardcore the only thing hardcore about EVE who gets the moneyshot for buying top item off a certain individuals wishlist,
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 788	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:53:00 - [38] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". I don't use mommy's credit card, ive been playing since jan 23rd, I play for hours everyday, so im not just casual... I enjoy it its fun.... you AA cry babies forget hit detection was fixed, AA is a small part of your problem. we controller users are now on even ground with kb/m users. COD AA is way more over powered... adapt.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 398	Posted - 2013.09.08 21:57:00 - [39] - Quote They're making dust to make money. Just like every other game out there. Can't make money off people don't play. At the end of the day, your opinion does not matter. Only the dollar matters. Don't like it? Sod off. Because they sure as hell don't care (and good on them, too). If people are enjoying the game and playing, mission accomplished. They aren't here to cater to the minority like you who think that the game needs to be hard to play in order to be a "good game".
Chris F2112 High-Damage 444	Posted - 2013.09.08 22:03:00 - [40] - Quote People crying against aim assist overdramatize the situation by a long shot. All aim assist does is make it a little harder to simply outgear people, and personally I don't have a problem with that. Maybe they should tone down the assist by a smidge, but that's it. Most vets around here are tryhards who simply enjoy pubstomping all day in proto, and I would not be surprised if that's what you want as well. They say stuff like, "there's no way I should be killed by a militia assault rifle in proto," but it's only their own narcissistic blindness that supports that. The game won't survive with constantly improving vets simply obliterating every new player that shows up for 3 months.

Chimeric Destiny Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.09.08 22:05:00 - [41] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: They're making dust to make money. Just like every other game out there. Can't make money off people don't play. At the end of the day, your opinion does not matter. Only the dollar matters. Don't like it? Sod off. Because they sure as hell don't care (and good on them, too). If people are enjoying the game and playing, mission accomplished. They aren't here to cater to the minority like you who think that the game needs to be hard to play in order to be a "good game". We already did, we just troll for lulz. Besides anyone who actually plays this game AND pays is in need of a psyche exam. As for the the game doesnt need to be hard to play in order to be a good game remark makes me laugh so hard. Notice how every scrubtard in here supports AA and praises it for making the game more even for the newer players and casuals alike, but when issues of removing the CAP for the same effect, plenty of detailed posts have been made PROVING removing cap has a greater benefit to the new player then harm and has ZERO implications on hardcore vs casual play, those same scrubtards cry hard cause thats not the way EVE works. Its okay you like the changes because they are the changes that you feel give you a fighting edge, but dont pretend that you care about what good for the majority or the casual experience its just laughably hypocritical.
Chimeric Destiny Intara Direct Action Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.09.08 22:10:00 - [42] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". I don't use mommy's credit card, ive been playing since jan 23rd, I play for hours everyday, so im not just casual... I enjoy it its fun.... you AA cry babies forget hit detection was fixed, AA is a small part of your problem. we controller users are now on even ground with kb/m users. COD AA is way more over powered... adapt. You are a moron, and you being around since jan 23rd makes you irrelevant. If you arent closed beta you aint **** imo. Nah jk but yea you are still a moron, COD AA is not as overt as this but the comparison to CODs AA is most apporpriate its is the closest level to it. People who think AA is vital to compete with KB/M is also purely dumb. In twitch shooters that could be true argument. In tracking shooters thats not even close to the case. Most DS3 users in strafing shooters, hell shooters in general dont need to make overt adjustments with their right joystick, they in fact strafe and counter strafe into their target and use right joystick to make the first major adjustment to line themselves up and then very minor adjustment to compensate for their strafe movements, IF the individual they are shooting are strafing they arent using their right joystick to match those movements because they wont be able to keep up, but rather move their strafe further then make the minor adjustments, why because most ds3 users keep high sensittivities so they can have faster turn speeds. Learn to aim, Learn to ds3 /thread
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 901	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:37:00 - [43] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..." You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long... HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell! This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us... If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ? I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ... GET GOOD ! Hey, Necandi Brasil I need you help with some questions. can you contact me?
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 726	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:44:00 - [44] - Quote PC shooters don't have the insane skill curve that console FPS's do. Your mastery of the DS3 is comendable but this is a game, that is trying to be accessible to not just hard core PS3 players.
Nick nugg3t United Universe Corp 107	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:44:00 - [45] - Quote Hit detection is better dont blame your consistent dying on AA QQC with an AR is death to someone with a forge gun, LR , MD ETC . Adjust your strategy and play a more defensive game style dust is changing for the better so role with punches
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 810	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:58:00 - [46] - Quote Chimeric Destiny wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". I don't use mommy's credit card, ive been playing since jan 23rd, I play for hours everyday, so im not just casual... I enjoy it its fun.... you AA cry babies forget hit detection was fixed, AA is a small part of your problem. we controller users are now on even ground with kb/m users. COD AA is way more over powered... adapt. You are a moron, and you being around since jan 23rd makes you irrelevant. If you arent closed beta you aint **** imo. Nah jk but yea you are still a moron, COD AA is not as overt as this but the comparison to CODs AA is most apporpriate its is the closest level to it. People who think AA is vital to compete with KB/M is also purely dumb. In twitch shooters that could be true argument. In tracking shooters thats not even close to the case. Most DS3 users in strafing shooters, hell shooters in general dont need to make overt adjustments with their right joystick, they in fact strafe and counter strafe into their target and use right joystick to make the first major adjustment to line themselves up and then very minor adjustment to compensate for their strafe movements, IF the individual they are shooting are strafing they arent using their right joystick to match those movements because they wont be able to keep up, but rather move their strafe further then make the minor adjustments, why because most ds3 users keep high sensittivities so they can have faster turn speeds. Learn to aim, Learn to ds3 /thread I stopped reading your reply after you called me a moron, its obvious since you resorted to personal attacks you have nothing to say
Abner Kalen Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 139	Posted - 2013.09.09 19:59:00 - [47] - Quote Chimeric Destiny wrote: We already did, we just troll for lulz. Besides anyone who actually plays this game AND pays is in need of a psyche exam. As for the the game doesnt need to be hard to play in order to be a good game remark makes me laugh so hard. .... Because as we all know this game is free to play and therefore a charity that CCP gives the public and keep updated and improved on a monthly basis, so anyone who plays the game AND pays is obviously in need of a psyche exam... OBVIOUSLY. Aim Assist is working properly and here to stay. I really wish these anti-AA threads would start getting locked down...
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 997	Posted - 2013.09.09 20:00:00 - [48] - Quote Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". This This This This This
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3940	Posted - 2013.09.09 20:04:00 - [49] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA? The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same ** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and ...LOL! Get off your high horse. Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another. You're missing some important facts about aim assist. Including the fact that the kind of aim assist that's in "almost every" console shooter is the kind DUST still has with aim assist turned off. What the devs call "aim friction" is a form of aim assist that makes it easier for players to line up their shots, but DOESN'T aim for you. The aim assist we can toggle is an auto-aim system, which is, while still common, not** present in a large number of console shooters. And even in most console shooters which have auto-aim, it's not as strong as in DUST. I'm not against them including auto-aim in DUST, the mechanic itself isn't the problem, it's the excessiveness of its effect that I have a problem with.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 464	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:33:00 - [50] - Quote Abner Kalen wrote: Chimeric Destiny wrote: We already did, we just troll for lulz. Besides anyone who actually plays this game AND pays is in need of a psyche exam. As for the the game doesnt need to be hard to play in order to be a good game remark makes me laugh so hard. .... Because as we all know this game is free to play and therefore a charity that CCP gives the public and keep updated and improved on a monthly basis, so anyone who plays the game AND pays is obviously in need of a psyche exam... OBVIOUSLY. Aim Assist is working properly and here to stay. I really wish these anti-AA threads would start getting locked down... Locked down on the merit of what? Truth hurts? Exposing that fact that CCP were not able to fix aiming and slap on an audacious game breaking aim assist? From what I understand in COD AA at least is balanced so that there are different play styles that incorporate it. In dust AA effectively determined that there is Assault + AR only. With some other novelties sprinkled on the edges like heavy with HMG. CCP released a completely untested AA into an 'already realeased' game and dealt the final blow to an already deathly ill game balance. They are just tearing their own game apart. It's a shame too. There are plenty of talented ppl on the dev team. I really repsect ppl who were working on game sounds. I really like what ppl have done with map design on the last two maps. But when it comes to the core FPS of the game, ppl in charge just fall on their face.

Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 535	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:43:00 - [51] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". Hi Eraga I am Ernaga
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 535	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:47:00 - [52] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA? The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same ** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and **...LOL! Get off your high horse. Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another. Your not a hardcore gamer if you support aim-assist. I might not have a problem with it if it wasn't some overpowering which it is. It is not fair to have someone play up to 16 million skill points and get good at aiming just to give everyone an easy aim system. What do you have against shooting your self? Why do you want the system to help you? Do you not care that you are getting a handicap? Do you not care that aim-assist is throwing off the balance of some weapons like the AR and SAR? Why do you keep saying I enjoy this but not giving a damn about everyone who doesn't like AA? Is it because you are one sided? My mind has a hole host of questions.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 464	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:49:00 - [53] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: This is the argument that I hear from ppl who support aim assist. There is no real argument, except that they personally enjoy it. This is the criterion that runs modern game market: It has to be casual, accessible at your finger tips, effortless, immediately entertaining, and requiring no investment, well maybe except for your mom's credit card. Players like these have no valid justification to support AA. When you tell them, that it makes a shooter game meaningless when the computer aims for you and that it takes out a skill and the satisfaction that it brings once you master it; all they have to reply is something along the lines: "COD has it and it's the best console shooter out there." No wonder this generation is obese and ignorant. They are taught from day one that if something requires hard work, it's the wrong way to do it. The modern mantra is "everything should be effortless, otherwise, it's not efficient". Hi Eraga I am Ernaga Stop copying me!!! lol
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 730	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:52:00 - [54] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..." You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long... HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell! This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us... If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ? I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ... GET GOOD ! I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else. EDIT: my post had nothing to do with me or my KDR as I intended it originally. you can look me up- I have had a poor KDR before and after the patch. Yeah, with aim assist, it's like they have no skill, even if they are good. It's nothing like before when they had better gear and more SP and were stomping a noobs. Noobs are shooting back??? How is this happening??!?!?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 467	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:57:00 - [55] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Necandi Brasil wrote: All we see now in the forums is this... "Aim assist blah blah blah is bad..." You wanna know something ? It made the Scrubs better , and kinda level out all of them... The only ones really butthurt are the no-lifers, that keep playing the game all day long... HTFU! Is that hurting your KDR? Mine is hurt aswell! This is a game for even the most casual player... CCP made the right move... Otherwise we would have just a bunch of elite players proto stomping all the time, that's really bad for the newbie and bad for us as a community because new players won't join us... If new players don't join, that's all CCP's fault aswell ... right ? I'm tired of seeing the same BS of elite players complaing about their hurt KDR ... GET GOOD ! I think you missed the point. Good players will always stomp noobs no matter what. They can no longer take the credit for it thought because now they have to use AIM assist like everyone else. EDIT: my post had nothing to do with me or my KDR as I intended it originally. you can look me up- I have had a poor KDR before and after the patch. Yeah, with aim assist, it's like they have no skill, even if they are good. It's nothing like before when they had better gear and more SP and were stomping a noobs. Noobs are shooting back??? How is this happening??!?!? Like a said many times before. The tier based system encourating protostomping (not a big surprise in a f2p game) is broken. AA used to 'balance' against proto power/skill is also broken (read: game breaking). But it's plain enough to see that two wrongs don't make one right. The game continues to spin down the drain following this path.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 963	Posted - 2013.09.10 04:58:00 - [56] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: AA is in every, if not most, FPS on consoles. It's a built in mechanic to help people cuz lolthumbs. Since when people are so "hardcore" around here that people looking down at people for using AA? The AA is a little strong...so what? People can shoot back you now? Big deal. How many threads people gonna make about same ** over and over again? We get it. You hardcore FPS players don't like AA. The option is there if you want it on or off. Blame CCP for making it stronger than it was needed, but to act all "leet" and **...LOL! Get off your high horse. Note: I consider myself a hardcore gamer, and this "issue" isn't affecting me one way or another. +1 except I am a bad shot. It doesn't help me at all because it isn't that good. My numbers haven't changed. My kdr is still 0.75 and my wallet hasn't move more than a million in either direction. I die to the same weapons - except LAV- and bring in the same amount of WP. Well to be honest my WP have dropped some because I have been actively scanning a lot and not being the logi I once was.
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 195	Posted - 2013.09.10 05:03:00 - [57] - Quote I love how the pro-aimbot assist crowd uses "CCP is trying to make money by bringing in more people blah blah blah" as an excuse for their love of AA unaware of the fact that daily peak players has dropped by a significant amount since patch day. If CCP is trying to make money by catering to "gamers" so casual they can't aim for themselves in a shooter, it's clearly not having the intended effect.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 593	Posted - 2013.09.10 05:14:00 - [58] - Quote Just an opinion out thrown out there. How could you even talk about "competitive gameplay" when: a) Pc lag as hell for everyone b) There is a certain thing called "SP" that allows you to deal much more damage, have much more HP c) you allow people to use a clearly "op" support (kb/m) on a console game d) you allow people to pay to get "better" faster You already said that you're not a kb/m user. Well, then, you're ranting about aim assist, but you're saying nothing about kb/m support? Aim Assist might be a bit too much, but kb/m gives you an unfair advantage compared to ds3 ( Lolthumbs as Lance said and lolinputlag, lolstrafe) You (not you) want skills to be rewarded? play with a ds3 like anybody else. Probably then, ccp would have never considered an aim assist if not to balance ds3 vs kb/m. More on the skills: is it a "skill" to alternately press "a" and "d" on your keyboard while aiming to be "good"? Because yes, you might think that the guy in front of you sucks at aiming, but have you ever thought that the guy is fighting against his controller first? I think You're wrong if you think that AA is there because of "noobs". AA is there mainly because of kb/m.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 382	Posted - 2013.09.10 05:21:00 - [59] - Quote TunRa wrote: I like how the AA argument is just like every other OP weapon or sometimes over used weapon argument. Attacking the person or group is a perfectly valid tactic in the Forum Metagames. If a person or group are malignant then obviously any position they support must be wrong as well. So much easier than approaching issues like adults.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 470	Posted - 2013.09.10 14:46:00 - [60] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Just an opinion out thrown out there. How could you even talk about "competitive gameplay" when: a) Pc lag as hell for everyone b) There is a certain thing called "SP" that allows you to deal much more damage, have much more HP c) you allow people to use a clearly "op" support (kb/m) on a console game d) you allow people to pay to get "better" faster You already said that you're not a kb/m user. Well, then, you're ranting about aim assist, but you're saying nothing about kb/m support? Aim Assist might be a bit too much, but kb/m gives you an unfair advantage compared to ds3 ( Lolthumbs as Lance said and lolinputlag, lolstrafe) You (not you) want skills to be rewarded? play with a ds3 like anybody else. Probably then, ccp would have never considered an aim assist if not to balance ds3 vs kb/m. More on the skills: is it a "skill" to alternately press "a" and "d" on your keyboard while aiming to be "good"? Because yes, you might think that the guy in front of you sucks at aiming, but have you ever thought that the guy is fighting against his controller first? I think You're wrong if you think that AA is there because of "noobs". AA is there mainly because of kb/m. I posted many times. KBM support breaks the game. SP based tier system breaks the game. Now AA is breaking the game. Let's just keep piling up broken things in hopes that they would all somehow cancel out each other. I'd much rather have my S handed to me by KBM user and in the process try to do my best than let a computer win my fights for me. I guess this is the difference between you and me. You are playing to win and don't care what gets you there and I play to play the game.



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