Marauder HAV's were although better than the STD HAV's, you could do comparable performance with the STD ones, and were twice as expensive. With some adjustments, they can be the ultimate tanking machine they were supposed to be!

First, give it a base resistance of 10-20% depending on race. After that, give it a reduced acceleration and speed of the base HAV by 10-15%, maybe more. Lastly, get rid of the damage bonus from the skill, as that's something the Enforcer HAV's should get..

Now, add in a built in siege module from EVE, with some changes. First, it would make it unmovable, and unrecallable. That would make it to where it would have to be guarded at all times while the Siege module is on. But, it would get some really good bonuses, such as a very high resistance, higher rep cycle, more damage, etc. depending on the race. They should also also allow the use of remote repps, in contrast to the Dreds of EVE. Lastly, it should last about 2-5 minutes, with a coodown of about 5 minutes. turning off the module before the cooldown starts will have apre-cooldown in which you are stuck in siege mode, and when it turns off, you start the cooldown, which will prevent hitting a area really fast, running away, and then waiting for it to cooldown. Also, in the last minute, you can't turn it off to prevent abuse.

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Good idea, but what would you do in terms of a hard counter?

Like I said, the thing can't move, so getting rushed is a great possibility. Also, EWAR things could hurt it's ability to aim and get info on where the enemy is.

Well it sounds good to me then, all though I assume fitting requirements will be through the roof!!

I've been looking at all your ideas (need to update your index worth the new links!) and I've noticed that you're a fan of long cool downs to balance powerful effects.

Well, when the Saga-II was accidentally released with its godmode hardener, rather Han waiting for the cool down to finish, I (and a lot of other people) called in a new one.

Just some food for thought; I don't think too many of these ideas will work as intended while recall is so easily abuseable.

That would actually fix most of the issues. Better than what I was thinking; in my head I had it as a good idea that when you call in a new vehicle the cool downs carry over, or something.

Murauders were originally designed with not needing infantry in the mindset I don't think we can ever do it justice again.

Marauders were originally designed with not needing infantry in the mindset I don't think we can ever do it justice again.

Muraders were originally designed with not needing infantry in the mindset I don't think we can ever do it justice again.

Do it justice isn't quite the term I'd use, makes it sound like the Marauder HAVs were good for the game's health. They were dubbed 'proto HAV' for a reason, things were monsters. One guy deployed a Sagaris in Mordu's and BLAM, game over. I like the whole slow as a rolling potato thing, and removal of the damage bonus. Gives it a defined role as opposed to just 'better in every way' like the old ones were.

I hope they noticed the pun...

Well, someone got where I was going at. Anyways, I saw what you did there

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Good idea, but what would you do in terms of a hard counter?

As much as I want my sagi back I was still abke to solo most mauraders back in chrome with either my dcma or ishicone forge gun . If the maurauders return as true proto HAVs I hope they will be worth the inevidably high isk and sp needed to run them (we all know enforcers are a glimpse of what ccp might do to mauraders) . Im much more intarested in black ops varients as tgey could lead to some awesome game play.

Thinknof this scenario. Line harvest map and your team is assaulting from alpha bravo side. You have alpha and bravo but are met with a tough front line to break. So your tanker falls back and recalls their current tank.

Calls in the black ops tank with cloak and mobile cru. Engages cloak and circles round redlind to just behind charly and flanks the enimy just before disengaging the cloak and opening fire. The crew that arnt piloting jump out and start to assault tge enimy . The next 2 to spawn in jump out and go for the hack the next two jump out and protect the hackers . Once the hack is in they start to push the enimy on the flank. The havs cloaking cooldown has finished so it withdraws and cloaks moving on to another enimy flank to wrinse and repeat. Awesome..........?

E-war....but that ain't out yet.

+1 - I'm all in favour of unique roles roles and abilities instead of straight stat buffing. Maybe the timers should be shorter, but that's really something that has to be tuned in testing. Also, given that Eve Marauders are getting their own siege-like mode in Eve with the Rubicon expansion I find this really appropriate.

Oh, they're giving marauders a mini-siege in Rubicon? didn't know that. Actually, I was basing this off the origional plan: make them the Dreds of dust.

Don't have much in the way of details for you, but yeah - siege light or something. It's coming with some cool transforming affects when you activate it, though all they've shown us thus-far is a still image of a Kronos with a popped hood and some lights. Might be worth keeping an eye on and having both classes in sync.

link?

Link. Scroll down a bit and you'll see the "Rubicon Reveal Video" which is what I watched. Not sure if they've released anything new, I only saw the reveal stream because I stumbled across the fact it was about to air while bored.

I saw that, but didn't feel like watching the video. Thx!

Yeah, sorry about that. It's pretty painful and there isn't much in the way of details anyway. Best just to keep an eye on the dev blogs for some proper information.

Anyone else want Dred's in Dust?

As long as a forge can make them nervous, I'm good. And by nervous, I mean that a forge is an effective counter, not just a minor annoyance.

Well, one would do things, but to kill it, you would have to use more than one guy, especially if the pilot's good and/or has some logi support. To really hurt it, you would need more than just one forge, unless you want to sit there for awhile. The best way to take it out of the battle (at least for awhile) is to rush it with EWAR so it can't really do anything.

It's ridiculous that infantry-AV hard counter to mobile-armor would be expected to need more than twenty-five percent of a single proto Infantry-AV's total base ammunition capacity, against the target it's meant for, when the target itself can lay waste to most everything else on the battlefield with so few threats. I've shot at HAV's with my proto forge that took over four hits and survive to escape.

Here's where part of the balance is. HAVs threatened only by other HAVs, installations, and infantry AV. Infantry-AV threatened by everything but Swarm and AV grenades. So for balance, which many "pilots" seem to just skip over, infantry-AV should be powerful against vehicles.

I know that there are bugs, new and old, that cause issues but they shouldn't be part of the consideration for game balance on any level.

HAVs and LLAVs, when fit for tank, are already hard for Infantry-AV to take down. Threads like this just make it look like you pilots want a god mode vehicle that can't be threatened by anything but laser tactical strikes.

Not even going to ask wtf is wrong with you......

Not even going to ask wtf is wrong with you......

Hardly do you know anything about EVE side Marauders? If so you would know that they are viable for a specific role, this being siege conflicts, but beyond that not much else.

In dust they would fulfil the same role.

Massive Armour/Shield res plus a unique weapons bonus, for the cost of their capacity to move for a set period of time. They would be the siege breakers of dust. Rolling up to a point, very expensive, running all Actives and becoming a static fortress. They could be taken down but not without a lot of effort once the Marauder module is active.... though to compensate the movement speed during the modules duration would reduce the speed of the tank to a crawl.... meaning after all actives are run that marauder would be very,very vulnerable.

That is not an I win vehicle, it is an I break this siege vehicle.

Nothing wrong with me, it's just obvious by your response that you do want an "I WIN!!!" vehicle.

Read True's post. Now go smash something hard over your head.

+1 for more vehicle variety. Siege mode sounds very interesting.

Yes. Vehicle variety would be awesome, but making infantry AV ineffective against any vehicle is ludicrous. If they make a vehicle as hard as what's been suggested here, I want a heavy suit with vehicular grade small arms resistance.

They wouldn't be ineffective, they would find it very hard to defeat a siege mode marauder tank with AV, but once those modules run dry that VERY EXPENSIVE tanks would ber very vulnerable. What part of this idea can you not get through your head?

For that tank to even escape the fight with the current and proposed AV which can cover X hundred meters, it would require real team work to extract that tank from the front lines suffering the movement penalties at the end of the cycle.

Also it would be priced on the market so that they cannot be dropped into public matches, Im sure that would also develop in a player run market as well.

Yes. Vehicle variety would be awesome, but making infantry AV ineffective against any vehicle is ludicrous. If they make a vehicle as hard as what's been suggested here, I want a heavy suit with vehicular grade small arms resistance.

So out of siege mode, it would be roughly equivalent to what? A stock militia HAV? What threat do we have available to "encourage" the driver to leave siege mode and vacate the area to save his vehicle if everything on field, including another siege HAV can't do enough damage to move it? This might be viable if teams were larger running 40+ per side on bigger maps where a larger mix of roles would be viable, or we had the non-existent electronic warfare that you seem to feel should be this vehicle's main foible. Unfortunately, forcing a situation where nearly half a team has to dedicate to remove one vehicular threat is unreasonable.

Something I know about high priced items on the market is that it doesn't matter how much it costs, if someone can afford it, they'll still bring it to public matches.

nah, picture a Maddy eHP, but moves slower. And no nitro, so you're really going to have to get help to get out of there, as there's going to be high resistance trying to take you out as soon as the siege module goes off. Plus, as I have stated already, unless the counters are in, this should not be in, as it would create an imbalance, as you stated. I don't want to see "tanks are OP! nerf them!" Threads again.

Yes my primary concern was with something like this coming in with what we have now. Actually I was, and am, more concerned with small teams having to cripple themselves to field Infantry AV for a single threat due to small team size.

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