DUST Search - Does anyone care anymore?

NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:

5-6 months ago we were all super excited about PC, yes it had and still has it's faults and issue but we were in love none the less.

Noone mentions PC anyone really other than a small percent. Does the community at large care about it anymore?

Do any Devs give a ****? PC it rarely mentioned at all. I mean people don't even ask about it....

I'll ask then:

When will the PC map extend?

Even if it does extend what checks and balances stop alliance from controlling it all?

Is Pc working as intended?

Will we be able to mine our planets soon?

will PVE be on the planets?

Will Orbitals from Eve every be a game changer?

Would it be possible to elect a dev or a player to watch over PC battles to make sure nothing dirty I.E attacking your own district?

How soon will it require Eve players to move clones?

Are there any plans to get the excitment back into PC?

Maybe something other than skirmish?

If you have any other questions or if you care anymore let me know. i want to know even if you don't care. PC is Dead and only dying more we need more life breathed back into it.

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NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens 526	Posted - 2013.09.07 09:39:00 - [1] - Quote 5-6 months ago we were all super excited about PC, yes it had and still has it's faults and issue but we were in love none the less. Noone mentions PC anyone really other than a small percent. Does the community at large care about it anymore? Do any Devs give a ****? PC it rarely mentioned at all. I mean people don't even ask about it.... I'll ask then: When will the PC map extend? Even if it does extend what checks and balances stop alliance from controlling it all? Is Pc working as intended? Will we be able to mine our planets soon? will PVE be on the planets? Will Orbitals from Eve every be a game changer? Would it be possible to elect a dev or a player to watch over PC battles to make sure nothing dirty I.E attacking your own district? How soon will it require Eve players to move clones? Are there any plans to get the excitment back into PC? Maybe something other than skirmish? If you have any other questions or if you care anymore let me know. i want to know even if you don't care. PC is Dead and only dying more we need more life breathed back into it.
Toyboi Seraphim Initiative.. 110	Posted - 2013.09.07 09:46:00 - [2] - Quote i would like to know this too!
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 16	Posted - 2013.09.07 09:47:00 - [3] - Quote Interesting question! I never got in touch with it because I'm just a mediocre player with only 9 million Skill points that I invested in 2-3 different roles. It's a bit sad that only the pro players (small percentage of members in D-Uni) will ever have impact on EVE. But I can follow the logic in that decision.
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens 526	Posted - 2013.09.07 09:49:00 - [4] - Quote It just worries me how they released it made a patch here or there but never added tried to improve it. then they say nothing about it. like they gave up.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1129	Posted - 2013.09.07 10:00:00 - [5] - Quote I stopped playing PC before it even started, it even make me leave my Corp.... everything is wrong about it ; - To exclusive... realistically only FEW people can get involve. - To long... 24 hours for the next match ? that is just plain stupid. - Not training matches ... how the hell you suppose to get ready for a competitive match without a Practice Server ? Where you suppose to develop Tactics, organize people, train players ? - Accessibility ... 40,000,000 isk for the privilege of playing a match ? NO THANKS.
2-Ton Twenty-One Ancient Exiles 908	Posted - 2013.09.07 10:09:00 - [6] - Quote I have given Dust the majority of my gaming time. First, I thought we were fighting for wealth and land and honor. Then I realized we were fighting for nothing. I was ashamed. I have all the ISK anyone could want 180mil. But is as useful as a brick of gold is to a man dying of thirst alone in the desert. Even if you win in PC you will find that there is nowhere to go, that its a constant time vampire and even the rewards are meaningless tripe. Its a job. Think of it like getting really really good at picking your butt. No matter how good you get your still gonna have a bad taste in your mouth :P Epeen is all it can give ya and that has always been pretty worthless to me other then the fact it allows me to help people when they bother to listen.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1773	Posted - 2013.09.07 10:18:00 - [7] - Quote Many people, myself included, feel PC is largely a waste of time for those not interested in the whole metagame of New Eden. Throughout Uprising, things have been so broken and competitiveness is so reliant on abusing the FOTM that people just ask themselves, "Why?" Once people can be just as relevant as others in whatever fit they want, things will be much different and especially once we get more of a connection with EVE. Rght now it is just very........meh.....
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens 531	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Tbh I like the political part if it. Adds something I have never had in another game. Plus I get to shoot you in the face if I don't like your corp who can't get behind that idea. 24hrs makes sense we have Rls it gives people time to find out who can be there or not, now if you win with over 120 clones you can attack again right away.
norttheantiv D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 14	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:42:00 - [9] - Quote I always had dreams of something like: "FEC payed goons to glass teamplayers off the map" (Names just for the sake of the example) That's what I hoped PC would be. Currently it's a complex way for corps to deploy. That's it. Hollow. While the politics are fun, it's just a bit meh.
Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 64	Posted - 2013.09.07 20:57:00 - [10] - Quote If CCP makes some sort of matchmaking for planets in high sec that would get more corps interested. As of right now it's just the big and rich fighting each other with a small cluster for those who just have enough players to try.

ReGnUM Public Relations EoN Public Relations 497	Posted - 2013.09.07 21:56:00 - [11] - Quote I guess PC can get really boring if you're on ...cough...cough... the losing side
TunRa Ill Omens 138	Posted - 2013.09.07 22:05:00 - [12] - Quote Quote: Even if it does extend what checks and balances stop alliance from controlling it all? Would it be possible to elect a dev or a player to watch over PC battles to make sure nothing dirty I.E attacking your own district? 1)In EvE only alliances can control vast amout of space, same in Dust. 2)This is New Eden, Dirty tricks and backstabs happen all the time!
Andius Fidelitas The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 104	Posted - 2013.09.07 22:09:00 - [13] - Quote TunRa wrote: Quote: Even if it does extend what checks and balances stop alliance from controlling it all? Would it be possible to elect a dev or a player to watch over PC battles to make sure nothing dirty I.E attacking your own district? 1)In EvE only alliances can control vast amout of space, same in Dust. 2)This is New Eden, Dirty tricks and backstabs happen all the time! Exactly this. There is no golden rule that PC HAS to be used by every player in this game. In Eve online, it's accessibility is driven by the players, I see no reason why it shouldn't be like that in Dust 514. No reason to regulate the entry way by CCP.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles 395	Posted - 2013.09.07 22:10:00 - [14] - Quote i just want red dot attachments
NIKIA BETHUNE Ill Omens 538	Posted - 2013.09.07 22:21:00 - [15] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: i just want red dot attachments are you kidding me? have you to have to best aim in dust. the hell you need one for lol
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 298	Posted - 2013.09.07 23:18:00 - [16] - Quote I care Honestly I am of the opinion that PC needs to become less exclusive. Lets agree to reserve the exclusivity as it grows and expands in the future. Right now, with such a small and fragile player base, people need a reason to log on. PC is only 'enjoyed' by a very minor part of the overall community. Sure there are ways to get involved if you want to jump through hoops like alliances or the logistical nightmare of trying to organize multiple indie corps against one of the larger organizations. It really should not have to be that complex...at least not yet anyway. I know a lot of core players try and relate PC to the exclusive Null Sec activities of EVE. But the reality is, how exclusive is Null Sec. You don't need to be in an alliance, much less a corporation, to go there and do....well, anything. Sure it's a dangerous place and you are better off when you've got some backup. But you still have the opportunity to roll the dice and take your chances. Right now PC is only an option for larger corporations. Ones that can effectively field 16 players on a regular basis. That in itself excludes a significant number of players. Now I am not saying their should not be restrictions, but lets lower the bar at this stage of the development. By expanding PC to a new Region, one that has smaller Districts creating battles for smaller teams (8v8) on a 3-point Skirmish, then we can expand the level of participation considerably. Now of course the reality is that larger organizations can still move into these areas just as effectively. But at least smaller corps have a shot to get in on the action. And these Districts should offer less of everything as a way to remove some incentive for larger organizations from even bothering. Heck, this would even give the smaller corps in alliances a place to be active without having to depend on significant assistance from allies. The game has years to make things bigger and harder and more challenging. Right now, with the state of the game being what it is, more corps need a chance to get in on the action. Providing specific Districts where a team of 8 can deploy opens that gateway and does not 'take away' from any other aspect of the game. Better yet, I does not eat up a ton of development resources trying to come up with something new in the short term. I'd like to see it happen.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 2310	Posted - 2013.09.07 23:18:00 - [17] - Quote PC? Whats a PC?
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2013.09.07 23:20:00 - [18] - Quote NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: 5-6 months ago we were all super excited about PC, yes it had and still has it's faults and issue but we were in love none the less. Noone mentions PC anyone really other than a small percent. Does the community at large care about it anymore? Do any Devs give a ****? PC it rarely mentioned at all. I mean people don't even ask about it.... I'll ask then: When will the PC map extend? Even if it does extend what checks and balances stop alliance from controlling it all? Is Pc working as intended? Will we be able to mine our planets soon? will PVE be on the planets? Will Orbitals from Eve every be a game changer? Would it be possible to elect a dev or a player to watch over PC battles to make sure nothing dirty I.E attacking your own district? How soon will it require Eve players to move clones? Are there any plans to get the excitment back into PC? Maybe something other than skirmish? If you have any other questions or if you care anymore let me know. i want to know even if you don't care. PC is Dead and only dying more we need more life breathed back into it. Extend the map for what? That EON can sit on more districts which they instantly lock up with a alt corperation?
Fire9er Greko Mango and Friends 25	Posted - 2013.09.07 23:21:00 - [19] - Quote Check out my post the power of friendship. I'll be here and my channel is Greasers.
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 28	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:32:00 - [20] - Quote agreed i dont see much piont in PC other than dsomething to waste those billions that the beta players have saved up ] i m ean its kinda cool like AOE kinda but with a level of diversity ... i mean you capture land and try to win a domination victory you can "create" different classes of fighters and then send them to war to win your territory but 'PC need some kind of incentive ... like ore we can sell to caspsulears

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1827	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:38:00 - [21] - Quote This isn't a charity. If you want land you have to go get it. If you don't have the capacity to go get it then do something about it or accept that you won't be given land for free. New Eden politics are well known for being very very scandalous and rough on those not willing to use their imagination and CCP never gave a noob corp in EVE land because they werent good enough to take it themselves. CCP devs are probably laughing at people complaining about not being able to have land. Is the amount of ownable land too small? yes. once we have more areas to conquer more people will have access simply because you cant defend it all, but until then, earn it like the rest of us.
Cosgar ParagonX 4960	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:40:00 - [22] - Quote Nope, PC is just a sign of virtual authority certain corps use to add weight to their opinions on here while they also lament how superficial it really is.
Gods Architect SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 390	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:40:00 - [23] - Quote PC is just not fluid and it really doesn't seem like your changing anything, sadly.
Seed Dren SyNergy Gaming EoN. 57	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:44:00 - [24] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: agreed i dont see much piont in PC other than dsomething to waste those billions that the beta players have saved up ] i m ean its kinda cool like AOE kinda but with a level of diversity ... i mean you capture land and try to win a domination victory you can "create" different classes of fighters and then send them to war to win your territory but 'PC need some kind of incentive ... like ore we can sell to caspsulears PC has good incentive ..... if you win.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 269	Posted - 2013.09.08 03:51:00 - [25] - Quote i sure as hell never cared because i know it would have been only interesting to a small fraction of the dust player base,seeing as it's treated as a side project to the game under the table and the knowledge of it existence only restricted to the people of the forums. Not everyone wants to be hardcore mode 24/7 yolo mercenary, there's people with wife and kids etc... that have more important things to do than being on call for a job you dont get paid for.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1832	Posted - 2013.09.08 04:09:00 - [26] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: i sure as hell never cared because i know it would have been only interesting to a small fraction of the dust player base,seeing as it's treated as a side project to the game under the table and the knowledge of it existence only restricted to the people of the forums. Not everyone wants to be hardcore mode 24/7 yolo mercenary, there's people with wife and kids etc... that have more important things to do than being on call for a job you dont get paid for. And it is a freaking job. This is an aspect of EVE that has carried over to Dust and its not going away.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 363	Posted - 2013.09.08 16:29:00 - [27] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Johnny Guilt wrote: i sure as hell never cared because i know it would have been only interesting to a small fraction of the dust player base,seeing as it's treated as a side project to the game under the table and the knowledge of it existence only restricted to the people of the forums. Not everyone wants to be hardcore mode 24/7 yolo mercenary, there's people with wife and kids etc... that have more important things to do than being on call for a job you dont get paid for. And it is a freaking job. This is an aspect of EVE that has carried over to Dust and its not going away. LOL you guys just reminded me my days in w-space. The boons and bane of a persistent game.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 856	Posted - 2013.09.08 16:46:00 - [28] - Quote I never cared. Fought in lots of PC battles for the corp and to have an informed opinion on PC and to face much better players and hopefully learn from them. But it never meant anything, and it won't until it's connected to the strategic resources in EVE. And by that i mean the resources which, if a major sov-holding alliance loses control of they are fcukink dead, dead, dead. Dis i mention dead? Alternatively, that alliance could get those resouces from another, more successful alliance, thereby becoming their meat puppet. That is acceptable also. Clear enough for you, CCP?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 62	Posted - 2013.09.08 17:02:00 - [29] - Quote Pretty good thread and good comments all over the spectrum of opinion. My thought is that Dust has quite a bit of the basic FPS part down (yes...of course it needs continual work) and door way to EVE integration open. The thing that will buy real time for CCP in regards to player base satisfaction is probably PC & EVE linkages. I don't have a single gripe about the way PC is played and we are in pretty steady conflict with heavy weight Corps and it certainly doesn't go our way all the time. I agree with the STB (one of the folks we have friction with) and EoN guys on this thread...build your network, get better, and establish yourself. Be prepared to attack and defend...and employ some political backstabbing, bribing, and arm twisting. That said...the OP actually does bring up good questions that I think all of us want answers to no matter what your answer is.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1185	Posted - 2013.09.08 17:12:00 - [30] - Quote It all comes down to the expense of PC. There is no way to train for it without team deploy. FW needs to be team deploy only and it needs to offer similar payouts as PC to the winner along with pub match payouts to the loser. This gives enough incentive to these small corps to either combine or the players to find a bigger corp. once they can field multiple teams to participate in FW they will slowly start to get better at team play. I talk to so many players who have adapted their game for squad play in pub matches and its SOOO far from what is needed in PC. It's beyond me that more people aren't absolutely screaming for team deploy. The game is literally spinning its wheels in place until this happens.



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