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Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:38:00 -
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The majority of the players who are in competitive PC corps and participating in the tournament generally see aim assist as a bad thing that only serves to make the incapable capable. As such, is there any possible way to tune the parameters such that aim assist is not active in matches that actually count for something?
Let the publets have their crutch in pubs, but disallow aim assist in PC matches. If you've reached the level where stakes are on the table, you shouldn't have to depend on the game to automate one of the most fundamental aspect of an FPS: aiming. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:40:00 -
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Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:40:00 -
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Been waiting for this post. lol |
Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
494
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:44:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. I don't foresee CCP doing this anytime soon. They've worked so hard to bring their aim assist system back, and the lack of comments from the DEVs regarding it seems to show they're just going to try and wait until the uproar dies down before continuing on.
At most I think CCP would only slightly dial back the assist. It's not an aimbot in the true sense of the word, but the whole "magnetism" and "adhesion" functions they've added to it is certainly bordering on being an aimbot of a milder variety. |
JW v Weingarten
No Free Pass
603
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:49:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:The majority of the players who are in competitive PC corps and participating in the tournament generally see aim assist as a bad thing that only serves to make the incapable capable. As such, is there any possible way to tune the parameters such that aim assist is not active in matches that actually count for something?
Let the publets have their crutch in pubs, but disallow aim assist in PC matches. If you've reached the level where stakes are on the table, you shouldn't have to depend on the game to automate one of the most fundamental aspect of an FPS: aiming. Are you even in PC or tourney? |
Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
494
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:53:00 -
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JW v Weingarten wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:The majority of the players who are in competitive PC corps and participating in the tournament generally see aim assist as a bad thing that only serves to make the incapable capable. As such, is there any possible way to tune the parameters such that aim assist is not active in matches that actually count for something?
Let the publets have their crutch in pubs, but disallow aim assist in PC matches. If you've reached the level where stakes are on the table, you shouldn't have to depend on the game to automate one of the most fundamental aspect of an FPS: aiming. Are you even in PC or tourney? Bro do you even lift? |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:55:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:JW v Weingarten wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:The majority of the players who are in competitive PC corps and participating in the tournament generally see aim assist as a bad thing that only serves to make the incapable capable. As such, is there any possible way to tune the parameters such that aim assist is not active in matches that actually count for something?
Let the publets have their crutch in pubs, but disallow aim assist in PC matches. If you've reached the level where stakes are on the table, you shouldn't have to depend on the game to automate one of the most fundamental aspect of an FPS: aiming. Are you even in PC or tourney? Bro do you even lift? is that a no? |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
34
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:55:00 -
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What next? Are you guys going to ask people to not wear proto suits in PC and tourny also? It's part of the game. The best way to not get killed by aim assist is to not play the game. Kthnxbye. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:56:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. I don't foresee CCP doing this anytime soon. They've worked so hard to bring their aim assist system back, and the lack of comments from the DEVs regarding it seems to show they're just going to try and wait until the uproar dies down before continuing on. At most I think CCP would only slightly dial back the assist. It's not an aimbot in the true sense of the word, but the whole "magnetism" and "adhesion" functions they've added to it is certainly bordering on being an aimbot of a milder variety.
So you want them to comment on the 20+ threads that pop up everyday? I believe CCP already reduced their aimbot a bit compared to day 1 1.4. While it may be to a lesser degree now, if the person I'm aiming at is slow enough, I dont even need to correct my aim as it'll automatically aim for me. The past few days of me playing involved me pointing at someone, pulling the trigger, and taking my thumb off the right analog stick. It makes me sick playing like that that I lowered my average amount of played games to a few a day.
I guess you havent seen any aimbots outside of the cheap free aimbots you can get off backwater sites. You'd be surprised how advanced modern aimbots are that mimicks a pro player without looking like the blatantly obvious 180 headshot snap. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
34
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:00:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. I don't foresee CCP doing this anytime soon. They've worked so hard to bring their aim assist system back, and the lack of comments from the DEVs regarding it seems to show they're just going to try and wait until the uproar dies down before continuing on. At most I think CCP would only slightly dial back the assist. It's not an aimbot in the true sense of the word, but the whole "magnetism" and "adhesion" functions they've added to it is certainly bordering on being an aimbot of a milder variety. So you want them to comment on the 20+ threads that pop up everyday? I believe CCP already reduced their aimbot a bit compared to day 1 1.4. While it may be to a lesser degree now, if the person I'm aiming at is slow enough, I dont even need to correct my aim as it'll automatically aim for me. The past few days of me playing involved me pointing at someone, pulling the trigger, and taking my thumb off the right analog stick. It makes me sick playing like that that I lowered my average amount of played games to a few a day. I guess you havent seen any aimbots outside of the cheap free aimbots you can get off backwater sites. You'd be surprised how advanced modern aimbots are that mimicks a pro player without looking like the blatantly obvious 180 headshot snap.
Wow your aim assist sticks on players without you using your analog stick? Teach me how! Because my aim assist does not do that, nor does any of my friends aim assist. You guys must have gameshark. |
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Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
494
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:04:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:is that a no? You really think I would be asking about this subject if I didn't participate? You really think someone who participates in PC needs some scrub mechanic like aim assist? Only people who can't aim defend aim assist, because they see it as a necessary element to make them competitive. Go on though, keep defending it. You'll still die to me with or without your crutch. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:35:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Wow your aim assist sticks on players without you using your analog stick? Teach me how! Because my aim assist does not do that, nor does any of my friends aim assist. You guys must have gameshark.
Okay. First of all, stop aiming. I know you love to aim your crosshair but you're only pissing off the aimbot because you're screwing with it's head when it tries to do your work for you. Second of all, believe in your aimbot, learn to understand how he feels and what he's capable of. He's capable of moderate no-hands tracking. If the person is 20-30 meters away, he wont move across your screen faster than a cheetah on a jet airplane so your aimbot can handle that. If the person is 1 feet away then your aimbot will probably scream HALP HALP and you'll have to halp him.
Third and most importantly, you need to pray to your CCP gods, praising them, and adamantly defend their decision to give life to that piece of **** aimbot companion or less they take away your dearest friend. |
velos ALKARI
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
71
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:37:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. I don't foresee CCP doing this anytime soon. They've worked so hard to bring their aim assist system back, and the lack of comments from the DEVs regarding it seems to show they're just going to try and wait until the uproar dies down before continuing on. At most I think CCP would only slightly dial back the assist. It's not an aimbot in the true sense of the word, but the whole "magnetism" and "adhesion" functions they've added to it is certainly bordering on being an aimbot of a milder variety.
the gun doesn't move for you , the rounds do |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Ancient Exiles
899
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:39:00 -
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OK there is no way in hell if you and your team are in any way half decent, you cannot beat easily EASILY guys who's only skill is aim assist. If that is true it means your just terrible, absolutely terrible and you have no place in PC anyway.
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
512
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:48:00 -
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velos ALKARI wrote:the gun doesn't move for you , the rounds do
Pretty sure thats a different issue altogether. I have noticed increased server latency and heavily delayed hitreg/deaths. |
m twiggz
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
40
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:56:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:m twiggz wrote:Wow your aim assist sticks on players without you using your analog stick? Teach me how! Because my aim assist does not do that, nor does any of my friends aim assist. You guys must have gameshark. Okay. First of all, stop aiming. I know you love to aim your crosshair but you're only pissing off the aimbot because you're screwing with it's head when it tries to do your work for you. Second of all, believe in your aimbot, learn to understand how he feels and what he's capable of. He's capable of moderate no-hands tracking. If the person is 20-30 meters away, he wont move across your screen faster than a cheetah on a jet airplane so your aimbot can handle that. If the person is 1 feet away then your aimbot will probably scream HALP HALP and you'll have to halp him. Third and most importantly, you need to pray to your CCP gods, praising them, and adamantly defend their decision to give life to that piece of **** aimbot companion or less they take away your dearest friend.
Realistically I was just trolling. I don't use the aim assist. Don't see a use for it other than it occasionally pulling my crosshairs off of the person I was shooting for a split moment. My aim assist must not have came with the extensive velcro you all talk about. |
BLKDG
RoyalSquad514
71
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:06:00 -
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Aimbot. You ever seen an aimbot? This is not an aimbot.
Rant on cause ur fits die fast and cant solo anymore
Maybe try this new concept called teamwork |
IRON PATRIOT 1
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
45
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:07:00 -
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2-Ton Twenty-One wrote:OK there is no way in hell if you and your team are in any way half decent, you cannot beat easily EASILY guys who's only skill is aim assist. If that is true it means your just terrible, absolutely terrible and you have no place in PC anyway.
Thank you for this comment |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:15:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Long Evity wrote:is that a no? You really think I would be asking about this subject if I didn't participate? You really think someone who participates in PC needs some scrub mechanic like aim assist? Only people who can't aim defend aim assist, because they see it as a necessary element to make them competitive. Go on though, keep defending it. You'll still die to me with or without your crutch. I don't see you petitioning to stop melee glitching. But aim assist is a no no?
Sorry but I don't buy cheap talk.
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Chris F2112
High-Damage
440
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:19:00 -
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Idiotic idea. Aim inside and outside of PC should be identical. If you change one, change the other as well. |
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DootDoot
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:50:00 -
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BLKDG wrote:Aimbot. You ever seen an aimbot? This is not an aimbot.
Rant on cause ur fits die fast and cant solo anymore
Maybe try this new concept called teamwork
Look you this will never help newberry's this is a tool for vet's to abuse...
If the computer moves your gun for you in ANY way its no longer an assist... its not meant to track and follow targets ever...
Slow down sensitivity when on target? sure. LDS snaps that end up more centered? sure.
BUT NEVER should it move your aim for you. the system is fundamentally wrong with how its built right now, You cant tone something down that is liek that. Thus either giving a system the FPS community will snicker and laugh at or something CCP will have to turn off completely and redo.
This is whats killing them at the moment... how to salvage all the man hour's and not get caught taking the easy way out again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqe6MhXY6Y make sure you watch it to 1.30 when he turns on the aim assist..... |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
920
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:01:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Or you know, fix aim assist so its more like an aim assist and less like an aimbot. I don't foresee CCP doing this anytime soon. They've worked so hard to bring their aim assist system back, and the lack of comments from the DEVs regarding it seems to show they're just going to try and wait until the uproar dies down before continuing on. At most I think CCP would only slightly dial back the assist. It's not an aimbot in the true sense of the word, but the whole "magnetism" and "adhesion" functions they've added to it is certainly bordering on being an aimbot of a milder variety. So you want them to comment on the 20+ threads that pop up everyday? I believe CCP already reduced their aimbot a bit compared to day 1 1.4. While it may be to a lesser degree now, if the person I'm aiming at is slow enough, I dont even need to correct my aim as it'll automatically aim for me. The past few days of me playing involved me pointing at someone, pulling the trigger, and taking my thumb off the right analog stick. It makes me sick playing like that that I lowered my average amount of played games to a few a day. I guess you havent seen any aimbots outside of the cheap free aimbots you can get off backwater sites. You'd be surprised how advanced modern aimbots are that mimicks a pro player without looking like the blatantly obvious 180 headshot snap.
That's a lie and you know it. I am a horrible shot and the aim assist doesn't work like that. If you take your thumbs off the stick the camera stops moving and unless the person you are aiming at stops also then you will miss. You shouldn't lie about a video game because you think something is wrong or borked. You make me ashamed to be a gamer with statements like that.
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Funkmaster Whale
Inner.H3LL
500
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Posted - 2013.09.07 05:30:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Long Evity wrote:is that a no? You really think I would be asking about this subject if I didn't participate? You really think someone who participates in PC needs some scrub mechanic like aim assist? Only people who can't aim defend aim assist, because they see it as a necessary element to make them competitive. Go on though, keep defending it. You'll still die to me with or without your crutch. I don't see you petitioning to stop melee glitching. But aim assist is a no no? Sorry but I don't buy cheap talk. Excuse me, but:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180359#post1180359
Which was noted here on Weekly Bug Reports.
Anything else? |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2013.09.07 06:45:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:That's a lie and you know it. I am a horrible shot and the aim assist doesn't work like that. If you take your thumbs off the stick the camera stops moving and unless the person you are aiming at stops also then you will miss. You shouldn't lie about a video game because you think something is wrong or borked. You make me ashamed to be a gamer with statements like that.
Considering theres already videos that show 1:1 tracking with the new 'aimbot', would you like to make a video where your aim doesnt track your target? And by tracking I mean the crosshair stays on target whereas the previous aim assist trails behind the target and slowly loses it's magnetism requiring player adjustment. As I said in a post below the one you quoted, if the person isnt dashing across your screen, your aimbot does fairly well to keep your crosshair on your opponent without player input.
As for hurting that "gamer" inside you, I've been playing shooters for a cool 18 years and I've been gaming, in general, much longer than that. Joined several pro league clans and tournaments but left due to school and anger management issues. I have played on the PC and console shooters equally and joined various self-made community anti-cheat teams ('anti-hack' for those who dont know the difference) for various F2P games (all ending in vain sadly but we did the work the company couldnt be bothered with). Let me see your credentials as a gamer since you obviously cant tell the difference between 1.3 and 1.4 aiming.
Also to name some shooters that didnt need this level of aimbot on consoles (or gamepad games in general): Every PC game that has gamepad compatability Ghost recon Rainbow Six 3 (original, black arrow, and lockdown) Halo:CE and Halo 2 (played H3 but only single player) |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2013.09.07 06:48:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Long Evity wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Long Evity wrote:is that a no? You really think I would be asking about this subject if I didn't participate? You really think someone who participates in PC needs some scrub mechanic like aim assist? Only people who can't aim defend aim assist, because they see it as a necessary element to make them competitive. Go on though, keep defending it. You'll still die to me with or without your crutch. I don't see you petitioning to stop melee glitching. But aim assist is a no no? Sorry but I don't buy cheap talk. Excuse me, but: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180359#post1180359Which was noted here on Weekly Bug Reports. Anything else? Nope.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
772
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Posted - 2013.09.07 07:10:00 -
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aim assist is fine... remember they fixed hit detection and hit boxes too... that's why it seems so op...just get used to it. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2013.09.07 07:20:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:aim assist is fine... remember they fixed hit detection and hit boxes too... that's why it seems so op...just get used to it.
I see a lot of people saying this and I wonder why.
So if I stop shooting, does my aim assist suddenly stop working? Also there was never a problem with hitboxes. If I argue about dogs, you better not bring a cat to the argument. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3743
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Posted - 2013.09.07 08:33:00 -
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lol...
people won't stop doing the melee glitch but you expect them to turn AA off? |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
773
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Posted - 2013.09.07 08:59:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:aim assist is fine... remember they fixed hit detection and hit boxes too... that's why it seems so op...just get used to it. I see a lot of people saying this and I wonder why. So if I stop shooting, does my aim assist suddenly stop working? Also there was never a problem with hitboxes. If I argue about dogs, you better not bring a cat to the argument.
cats are not dogs....
seriously though... they did make hit boxes bigger if im not mistaken. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
926
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:16:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:That's a lie and you know it. I am a horrible shot and the aim assist doesn't work like that. If you take your thumbs off the stick the camera stops moving and unless the person you are aiming at stops also then you will miss. You shouldn't lie about a video game because you think something is wrong or borked. You make me ashamed to be a gamer with statements like that.
Considering theres already videos that show 1:1 tracking with the new 'aimbot', would you like to make a video where your aim doesnt track your target? And by tracking I mean the crosshair stays on target whereas the previous aim assist trails behind the target and slowly loses it's magnetism requiring player adjustment. As I said in a post below the one you quoted, if the person isnt dashing across your screen, your aimbot does fairly well to keep your crosshair on your opponent without player input. As for hurting that "gamer" inside you, I've been playing shooters for a cool 18 years and I've been gaming, in general, much longer than that. Joined several pro league clans and tournaments but left due to school and anger management issues. I have played on the PC and console shooters equally and joined various self-made community anti-cheat teams ('anti-hack' for those who dont know the difference) for various F2P games (all ending in vain sadly but we did the work the company couldnt be bothered with). Let me see your credentials as a gamer since you obviously cant tell the difference between 1.3 and 1.4 aiming. Also to name some shooters that didnt need this level of aimbot on consoles (or gamepad games in general): Every PC game that has gamepad compatability Ghost recon Rainbow Six 3 (original, black arrow, and lockdown) Halo:CE and Halo 2 (played H3 but only single player)
It does lightly track a target but it does not aim for you. If the players moves in front of the weapon while ads then the weapon will stick to the merc and follow them as long as the weapon is still touching the player but only very lightly. I will give you aim assist but not aiming for you. The player does have to try and any movement screws it up. I did see it move the weapon slightly to stick to the target and although I don't think it is the game breaker everyone makes it out to be I will agree that you can track a target without touching the sticks. It is very slight and any thing next to the target running straight at me will mess it up.
It may need to be tweaked but it doesn't aim for you, it does help stay on target but other than that it doesn't do the work for you. It does stick to the target and slow the camera down but it does not aim. I also want to try it on a cable modem connection instead of a router to see if it changes. I tried it through a router today but I usually only play directly to the modem.
Aimbot is the wrong word because it doesn't aim for you it only assists the player stay on target. I give you half credit but it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. |
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