I have lvl 3 skill and two modules; 1 enhanced 1 basic, but I can't see a tank 20 metres from me. why?

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

I have lvl 3 skill and two modules; 1 enhanced 1 basic, but I can't see a tank 20 metres from me. why?

I would like to hear foot steps. That is kind big thing in a FPS

I would like to hear foot steps. That is kind big thing in a FPS

I do with my headphones on - saved me many a time when hacking.

But the scanning dropsuit skills have to work. They have to be more powerful especially when you put modules on.

This is a HUGE sacrifice of HP and/or damage mods to have this capability. If these skills were to work properly it would really open up a role for a recon player. Their dropsuit could scan down players and they could use the active scanner to present the info to their squad.

To this day I've never heard a decent explanation of these skills/modules and their effectiveness.

Your scan profile equates to the radar cross section of a figther jet. When radar bounces off of the jet, it returns to the sender to give an idea of location, speed, etc. The lower the cross section, the harder it is to detect because the return is lower. Scan profile works in this same way - the lower your profile, the harder to detect you are.

Scan precision relates to the strength of your scanner. The lower the number here, the stronger your scanner is. If the strength of your scanner has a lower value than the scan profile of what you are scanning, a return is presented and let's you "see" them through walls and on maps up to the range of the scanner and for the duration of how long the target remains "painted".

For example, a scout suit (unmodified by skills) has a scan profile of 45. This means that in order to locate this person my scan precision must be 45 or lower. By comparison, the standard active scanner has a scan precision of 46. Since the scout is under my threshold with the standard active scanner, he remains unseen by me (though he knows someone attemped to "ping" him and failed.

The skills help modify these numbers. If I have my scout suit on (note: role specific suit, not the role nuetral basic suit), and I have scout suit operation for the racial choice I have made at level 1, then I get a -10% reduction in my scan profile (I could be wrong about the percentage - I'm not in front of the game at the moment). 10% of 45 is -4.5 applied to my profile, making my new profile 40.5. This means that to be detected my enemy now needs a scan precision of 40.5 or lower to "paint" me. Bonuses from skills to scan precision, I think, only apply to passive scans and not active scanners, but they work in the same way.

I am not entirely sure how the bonuses stack - I know that there is a stacking penalty. I suspect that bonuses acquired from the same source are additive, and applied, and then bonuses from other sources are added then applied to the new total that happens after the bonuses from the first source are applied. What I mean by this is this:

If I have Scout Suit operation at 3, I get a -30% reduction to my profile (making the number reduce from 45 to 31.5. If I also have the profile dampening skill at 3, and this gives 5% per level (again, going from memory on the percentage so I could be off), then I get a total reduction of 15% from the new profile of 31.5, which is a drop of 4.725 points, making my new profile 26.775. Next, if I add a profile dampener on my suit which gives a -10% reduction, I will now lose another 2.6775 points from my profile reducing me to 24.0975 on my profile.

This is my understanding, and I recognize I could easily be wrong . If anyone sees any errors (other than the math or stats from the skills which I know could easily be wrong given my math skills and since I'm not at the game right now), please feel free to add/correct.

I have lvl 3 skill and two modules; 1 enhanced 1 basic, but I can't see a tank 20 metres from me. why?

Forlorn Destrier...

Great post, but I guess I should have explained. The data has been mined and tested by the players to figure it out, but it's simply never been verified by a Dev that I'm aware of. So I think they have just been sitting there with no attention.

None of those skills or modules has been tweaked at all. The game has changed dramatically overnight. These are now some of the potentially strongest skills in the game. They have to be balanced and tweaked.

I have my skills at L3 for all of them, but I still get a heavy that sneaks up on me. This should never happen. Ever. I just can't picture a heavy running around with his scan skills maxed out with multiple dampeners on.

These skills have to mean something. Stealth and detection are HUGE with this new update, but the skills for them don't appear to where they need to be.

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first

Precision without skill is 45 dB for all suits.

I agree. As unscientific as it is, my intuition is telling me that the scanning mechanics are not reliable.

I actually would prefer more audio clues in the game (that's why I like the glass shield sound and the thud thud armor sound, as it means I don't have to take my eyes of the surroundings), and right now the vehicles seem quite silent. I would like hear the vehicle approach instead of seeing it sooner on the minimap, like a rumbling bass tone.

Kind of like that saving private ryan tank battle, you heard the tanks before you saw them, there is dread/suspense in the air and your first instinct is, I'm getting the **** into cover. That to me is immersion and I think we are improving that a lot with this patch.

Usually I don't hear them until they are 3 metres away and shooting at me and killing me

Same with the weapon flashes, damn its cool to see pockets of shootouts all over the map in the night maps, don't need to look at the map to find someone to kill.

And last but not least, scanning is effing awesome, the bright pulsing red wave behind the wall, coming to get you. Feels like Aliens 2 when they set up the scanners and the miniguns.

Light Frame and Scout have 45 Precision.
Basic Medium Frame and Assault have 55 Precision, but Logi has 50.
All Heavy suits have 60 Precision.

I have to rely on audio cues to detect tanks too - I would like like to rely a bit more on the passive sensors my suit gets a bonus to....

It is rather stupid, that the sensors have a hard range, yet precision ratings, blah blah, use dB notation.

They should be consistent, and actually USE THAT, in a realistic way.

That is to say:

If I have some kind of microphone, capable of measuring some kind of noisemaker that is 40dB loud, @10m...
That same microphone is capable of measuring a similar noisemaker that is 46db loud, @20m.

This is real life physics.
http://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-distance.htm
"We get a level drop of 6 dB per doubling of distance"

So, if a scout suit can 'hear' another scout or light suit suit @10m.. it should be able to detect a medium suit at almost twice that, and a heavy suit, at alost FOUR TIMES that distance

Heavies "sneaking up" on scout suits, should be pretty near impossible. Fix this please, CCP!

Edit: made an official "request" post, @
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108247