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Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 20	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:46:00 - [1] - Quote They are just accessories, that is all. Worry about your core game, features and filling out the suits before you concern yourself with accessory support. It is too much effort wasted on something a tiny fraction of your user-base will ever use.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2004	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:52:00 - [2] - Quote For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1170	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:53:00 - [3] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 23	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:56:00 - [4] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. Do they really? I would wager not. Lets try to get some numbers from CCP about this. Remember the forums and player corporations always only make up a small fraction of the userbase, normally the more hardcore. Oh and I think of substantial for an accessory to be above 10%
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 340	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:57:00 - [5] - Quote Good idea, ignore kb&m, get familiar with all the 64 ds3 players cause those will be the only fcuking people you'll be playing in two weeks
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 23	Posted - 2013.09.05 02:59:00 - [6] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Good idea, ignore kb&m, get familiar with all the 64 ds3 players cause those will be the only fcuking people you'll be playing in two weeks Oh please, hyperboil more. Really I am quite interested what the numbers are. Does anyone have figures for other games on the Ps3 that support both control methods?
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:13:00 - [7] - Quote Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome...
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2008	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:13:00 - [8] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. Do they really? I would wager not. Lets try to get some numbers from CCP about this. Remember the forums and player corporations always only make up a small fraction of the userbase, normally the more hardcore. Oh and I think of substantial for an accessory to be above 10% Right now I still think so. Give it a couple years of console growth and then maybe not. Remember this game has a lot of EVE players in it as well, EVE players who don't want to use a DS3. Still, I think they are giving just the right amount of love to the control schemes. They just need to add independent ADS/Hipfire sensitivity and the mouse will work great. That is slated for 1.5 from what I'm hearing and then we're in a good spot.
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 223	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:17:00 - [9] - Quote Some people prefer kb/m, some prefer controller. Most pc games these days are optimized for use with either. Idk why your complaining about this.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1172	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:22:00 - [10] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... funny how mouse and keyboard players complain about a console game requiring a controller to play.

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 798	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:27:00 - [11] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. If aiming was decent for DS3 AND KBM, then this wouldn't be a problem. However, KBM/DS3 a-hole Elitist's want DS3 Aiming Nerfed. Again. Get DS3 to work? Attract FPS audience. Get KB/M to work? Attract EVE player audience.
velos ALKARI DUST University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:29:00 - [12] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... which platform is this game on??
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:30:00 - [13] - Quote Void Echo wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... funny how mouse and keyboard players complain about a console game requiring a controller to play. You're ignorant, because CCP didn't create the game from Day 1 to support KB/M ? Learn wtf you're talking about before you contribute thanks..
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:32:00 - [14] - Quote velos ALKARI wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... which platform is this game on?? Did CCP not include KB/M support from day 1? Don't be ignorant as well...
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2008	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:32:00 - [15] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. If aiming was decent for DS3 AND KBM, then this wouldn't be a problem. However, KBM/DS3 a-hole Elitist's want DS3 Aiming Nerfed. Again. Get DS3 to work? Attract FPS audience. Get KB/M to work? Attract EVE player audience. KBM elitist a-holes just want this to come to PC already
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:35:00 - [16] - Quote Honestly im glad the the aiming for DS3 was fixed multiple of RL friends are now considering putting some time into Dust.. Being a veteran of Dust I understand DS3 is the primary Input and it needs polished first.. But the fact that KB/M has been broken since Chromosome and now DS3 is at its peak with aim assist there is no reason not to focus some attention on the second input CCP provides.. Because regardless of the trolls in this thread KB/M support was promised by CCP be it a minority or not there is a group of dedicated/invested KB/M players... CCP should provide them the same respect/attention they provide the DS3 users, its that simple..
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1173	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:37:00 - [17] - Quote velos ALKARI wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... which platform is this game on?? console. nuff said
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 799	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:38:00 - [18] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. If aiming was decent for DS3 AND KBM, then this wouldn't be a problem. However, KBM/DS3 a-hole Elitist's want DS3 Aiming Nerfed. Again. Get DS3 to work? Attract FPS audience. Get KB/M to work? Attract EVE player audience. KBM elitist a-holes just want this to come to PC already No ****.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1173	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:39:00 - [19] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... funny how mouse and keyboard players complain about a console game requiring a controller to play. You're ignorant, because CCP didn't create the game from Day 1 to support KB/M ? Learn wtf you're talking about before you contribute thanks.. im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC?
Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 43	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:41:00 - [20] - Quote Why doesn't any play on move? I would love to hear what they say and who knows maybe it's more of a clutch lol

Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:43:00 - [21] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Honestly im glad the the aiming for DS3 was fixed multiple of RL friends are now considering putting some time into Dust.. Being a veteran of Dust I understand DS3 is the primary Input and it needs polished first.. But the fact that KB/M has been broken since Chromosome and now DS3 is at its peak with aim assist there is no reason not to focus some attention on the second input CCP provides.. Because regardless of the trolls in this thread KB/M support was promised by CCP be it a minority or not there is a group of dedicated/invested KB/M players... CCP should provide them the same respect/attention they provide the DS3 users, its that simple.. Does this apply to move, aswell as the sharpshooter attachment? That control scheme is pretty broken right now as it is, yet there is no big outcry even though dust was also promised move support. You know why there is no big outcry? It was never an i-Win button compared to the controller and it is an accessory.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:44:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? Dafuq are you talking about ? You ever hear about steam big picture its designed for couch play and indy titles not to mention the xbox controller moves seamlessly over to a PC when ever needed with no hiccups.. So yet again pretty ignorant comment..
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 25	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:46:00 - [23] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? Dafuq are you talking about ? You ever hear about steam big picture its designed for couch play and indy titles not to mention the xbox controller moves seamlessly over to a PC when ever needed with no hiccups.. So yet again pretty ignorant comment.. Hey look at that, Valve is trying to expand their market into controller orientated gamers.... you know the market thats like 10 times bigger than PC gamers. No one wants to sit at a freaking desk to relax.... well no normal people do.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 464	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:47:00 - [24] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Honestly im glad the the aiming for DS3 was fixed multiple of RL friends are now considering putting some time into Dust.. Being a veteran of Dust I understand DS3 is the primary Input and it needs polished first.. But the fact that KB/M has been broken since Chromosome and now DS3 is at its peak with aim assist there is no reason not to focus some attention on the second input CCP provides.. Because regardless of the trolls in this thread KB/M support was promised by CCP be it a minority or not there is a group of dedicated/invested KB/M players... CCP should provide them the same respect/attention they provide the DS3 users, its that simple.. Does this apply to move, aswell as the sharpshooter attachment? That control scheme is pretty broken right now as it is, yet there is no big outcry even though dust was also promised move support. You know why there is no big outcry? It was never an i-Win button compared to the controller and it is an accessory. No its because............... WHO THE **** USES A MOVE FOR A SHOOTER.... The last person i seen use a move was my grandmother playing some kind of archery game in her senior home... Or i guess there are those hand full of role players sitting back on there bad covered up in a home made ghillie suit and the big pink ball wand shooting at the TV.... Come on now lets be real the two most competitive uses of shooters is DS3 and KB/M hence the outcry for both and from both...
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 216	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:48:00 - [25] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: No one wants to sit at a freaking desk to relax.... well no normal people do. Yea no normal people play WoW, Starcraft or LoL. I could go on but that would just be ignorant.
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1173	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:51:00 - [26] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? Dafuq are you talking about ? You ever hear about steam big picture its designed for couch play and indy titles not to mention the xbox controller moves seamlessly over to a PC when ever needed with no hiccups.. So yet again pretty ignorant comment.. so im ignorant for not wanting to use the M/KB for my console game? your ignorant for trying to enforce that on me
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1173	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:52:00 - [27] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Honestly im glad the the aiming for DS3 was fixed multiple of RL friends are now considering putting some time into Dust.. Being a veteran of Dust I understand DS3 is the primary Input and it needs polished first.. But the fact that KB/M has been broken since Chromosome and now DS3 is at its peak with aim assist there is no reason not to focus some attention on the second input CCP provides.. Because regardless of the trolls in this thread KB/M support was promised by CCP be it a minority or not there is a group of dedicated/invested KB/M players... CCP should provide them the same respect/attention they provide the DS3 users, its that simple.. Does this apply to move, aswell as the sharpshooter attachment? That control scheme is pretty broken right now as it is, yet there is no big outcry even though dust was also promised move support. You know why there is no big outcry? It was never an i-Win button compared to the controller and it is an accessory. No its because............... WHO THE **** USES A MOVE FOR A SHOOTER.... The last person i seen use a move was my grandmother playing some kind of archery game in her senior home... Or i guess there are those hand full of role players sitting back on their bed covered up in a home made ghillie suit and the big pink ball wand shooting at the TV.... Come on now lets be real the two most competitive uses of shooters is DS3 and KB/M hence the outcry for both and from both... I have the playstation sharpshooting thing for the move, I don't use it because it doesn't work well, but I like it because it looks like a gun.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 465	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:55:00 - [28] - Quote Void Echo wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? Dafuq are you talking about ? You ever hear about steam big picture its designed for couch play and indy titles not to mention the xbox controller moves seamlessly over to a PC when ever needed with no hiccups.. So yet again pretty ignorant comment.. so im ignorant for not wanting to use the M/KB for my console game? your ignorant for trying to enforce that on me Void, bro, please learn reading comprehension... if you search my posts Ive never tried to enforce KB/M on anyone please feel free to quote me when ive demanded for the community to only use kb/m in fact my post in this exact thread praised the DS3 improvements that came with 1.4 you don't see to many Kb/m users praising aim assist...
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1173	Posted - 2013.09.05 03:59:00 - [29] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? Dafuq are you talking about ? You ever hear about steam big picture its designed for couch play and indy titles not to mention the xbox controller moves seamlessly over to a PC when ever needed with no hiccups.. So yet again pretty ignorant comment.. so im ignorant for not wanting to use the M/KB for my console game? your ignorant for trying to enforce that on me Void, bro, please learn reading comprehension... if you search my posts Ive never tried to enforce KB/M on anyone please feel free to quote me when ive demanded for the community to only use kb/m in fact my post in this exact thread praised the DS3 improvements that came with 1.4 you don't see to many Kb/m users praising aim assist... its the attitude your giving off.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:00:00 - [30] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Honestly im glad the the aiming for DS3 was fixed multiple of RL friends are now considering putting some time into Dust.. Being a veteran of Dust I understand DS3 is the primary Input and it needs polished first.. But the fact that KB/M has been broken since Chromosome and now DS3 is at its peak with aim assist there is no reason not to focus some attention on the second input CCP provides.. Because regardless of the trolls in this thread KB/M support was promised by CCP be it a minority or not there is a group of dedicated/invested KB/M players... CCP should provide them the same respect/attention they provide the DS3 users, its that simple.. Does this apply to move, aswell as the sharpshooter attachment? That control scheme is pretty broken right now as it is, yet there is no big outcry even though dust was also promised move support. You know why there is no big outcry? It was never an i-Win button compared to the controller and it is an accessory. No its because............... WHO THE **** USES A MOVE FOR A SHOOTER.... The last person i seen use a move was my grandmother playing some kind of archery game in her senior home... Or i guess there are those hand full of role players sitting back on their bed covered up in a home made ghillie suit and the big pink ball wand shooting at the TV.... Come on now lets be real the two most competitive uses of shooters is DS3 and KB/M hence the outcry for both and from both... Are you kidding? Go look at what happened to killzone 3 MP, move absolutely demolished the other controls, What kind of ketchup-stained a-shirt wearing neckbeard hooks up a mouse and a keyboard to a console?

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 800	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:00:00 - [31] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: Why doesn't any play on move? I would love to hear what they say and who knows maybe it's more of a clutch lol From what I hear, move is hell
Miokai Zahou Film Actors Guilds 31	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:03:00 - [32] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. Lies. I'm a PC gamer but I use the DS3 over the KBM anytime.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:09:00 - [33] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Hellkeizer wrote: Why doesn't any play on move? I would love to hear what they say and who knows maybe it's more of a clutch lol From what I hear, move is hell Driving is a nightmare, the button arrangement with the sharpshooter is horrible, and I think that the move most likely didn't get any aim assistance which it sorely needs.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 218	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:10:00 - [34] - Quote Void Echo wrote: im not ignorant, im just using common sense, just because this game supports it, doesn't mean that it is mandatory to be used, if that's the case then why don't people use controllers on PC? who said mandatory? its kinda obvious its optional. more options makes a more happy customer.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2008	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:20:00 - [35] - Quote Jungian wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No one wants to sit at a freaking desk to relax.... well no normal people do. Yea no normal people play WoW, Starcraft or LoL. I could go on but that would just be ignorant. Agreed, I'm perfectly comfortable playing on my desk with my m/kb. There is a time and place for couch and gamepad and a time and place for desk and mouse. People just have different preferences.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 26	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:33:00 - [36] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Jungian wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No one wants to sit at a freaking desk to relax.... well no normal people do. Yea no normal people play WoW, Starcraft or LoL. I could go on but that would just be ignorant. Agreed, I'm perfectly comfortable playing on my desk with my m/kb. There is a time and place for couch and gamepad and a time and place for desk and mouse. People just have different preferences. This is why people buy consoles (comfy couch gaming) versus gaming PCs (carpal tunnel gaming). Don't try to force this comfy couch game into carpal tunnel land. It is a comfy couch game designed for a comfy couch system and guess what, we come first in our house.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 129	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:40:00 - [37] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: velos ALKARI wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Void Echo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: For most console FPS games I might agree... but Dust has a fairly substantial kbm user base. funny how they expect a console game to act like a pc game Funny how it used to act like a PC game in Chromosome... which platform is this game on?? Did CCP not include KB/M support from day 1? Don't be ignorant as well... Happy with kbm in the game but this is inaccurate. Kbm was defiantly not part of the game day 1, may have been part of the roadmap but not in the game in the beginning.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 2012	Posted - 2013.09.05 04:44:00 - [38] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Jungian wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: No one wants to sit at a freaking desk to relax.... well no normal people do. Yea no normal people play WoW, Starcraft or LoL. I could go on but that would just be ignorant. Agreed, I'm perfectly comfortable playing on my desk with my m/kb. There is a time and place for couch and gamepad and a time and place for desk and mouse. People just have different preferences. This is why people buy consoles (comfy couch gaming) versus gaming PCs (carpal tunnel gaming). Don't try to force this comfy couch game into carpal tunnel land. It is a comfy couch game designed for a comfy couch system and guess what, we come first in our house. No one is forcing anything on you though... like I said, its just personal preference. I am more comfortable playing Dust at my desk than I am playing it on the couch in front of my TV. Honestly, this game is coming fairly close to decently balancing both methods, I wouldn't worry about it. Lets just suffer through the growing pains now so this doesn't become a problem later. All it needs is separated ADS/hipfire sensitivity adjustment and maybe(?) another few tweaks to aim assist and we have a solid foundation to add in new weapons, suits, vehicles, etc.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 219	Posted - 2013.09.05 07:05:00 - [39] - Quote IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote: Happy with kbm in the game but this is inaccurate. Kbm was defiantly not part of the game day 1, may have been part of the roadmap but not in the game in the beginning. Of course kbm was part of roadmap as it already had mkb support since open beta and ready for official launch.
p q THE OWL SOCIETY DARKSTAR ARMY 13	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:20:00 - [40] - Quote Ok, let's set this straight. NOBODY would EVER use a "controller" playing a FPS on a PC if they want to win, and Dust 514 is a console game. "Why don't new players stick around?" It's because they are console users with ps3 controllers who downloaded a free game and got wiped out by "pc style" mouse players. I am not calling the mouse unfair, BUT, it is OBVIOUSLY better. Matchmaking was not the answer, free skill on log-in was not the answer, aim assist was not the answer; the problem remains. THE PROBLEM IS: a console player CCP hopes will enjoy this game and buy AUR to fund costs will not play for long after he gets outmatched by an accessory and that player is not about to buy a mouse, keyboard, and reconfigure his apartment to play Dust. Console gamers play on a sofa, not a computer desk. (Most don't have a computer in 2013.) If this game is to grow, on a console, sorry pc Eve mouse kinda guys, but you need your own "mouse" matches. The ps3 controller handicap will forever kill this game's expansion. Which is sad, really. Keep using mice in corp battles. Enjoy. I enjoy this game and don't want it to die. Let the console players have their console game before it's too late.

Void Echo Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium 1461	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:42:00 - [41] - Quote Hellkeizer wrote: Why doesn't any play on move? I would love to hear what they say and who knows maybe it's more of a clutch lol iv played with the move before, it ******* sucks...
GSP GoTSoMePoT WOLF AND IRON STRIKE FORCE 45	Posted - 2013.09.20 18:59:00 - [42] - Quote Matching turn speed for all controlls and be able to adjust sensitivitys by 1 instead of 10 ... I'll be happy with that for now ...


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